Bernard steal Hills job?

[Bobbyn2022 53]

I know Hill fumbled twice but will this be a RBBC? Or will Hill continue to get most of the bulk.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

Rbbc

[weepaws 3,193]

It's no question a rbbc it was even before the season started .

[R8RMick 242]

Hill still has the edge if he's the goal line guy.

[ricanrockers 39]

Maybe this benching and RBBC situation will light a fire under Hill's a$$.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Hot hand rbbc with Hill taking GL work unless he fumbles or messes up in any way.

[BTL99 34]

Hill is the clear #1 back still. Gio is to small. Hill waaaaay better than Gio.

[The Postman 3]

This has always been a RRBC. People tend to forget that Gio was the starter until he got HURT last year, then Hill had a hot hand and they rode it after Gio was slow to come back. Gio is very talented, you will not keep him off the field totally. Hill is a very good back but in a time share situation. I said it before the season started that Hill was going way to high with Gio in that mix. Glad I stayed away on draft day.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

RBBC and probably somewhat specific to the game plan. Bernard is a much more dynamic player but Hill's the guy you want if you're just going to ram it down the other team's throat.

[weepaws 3,193]

Hill is the clear #1 back still. Gio is to small. Hill waaaaay better than Gio.

I disagree .

[hoydogg 3]

I think there is some overreacting here. He was benched for fumbling twice. AP fumbled too, and Charles fumbled twice. He can still bust big plays. I still think Hill is the more productive back in standard scoring.

[hoydogg 3]

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis expressed confidence in Jeremy Hill following Sunday's benching for fumbling, saying the early-down back would be "fine."

Lewis said fumbles can become a mental issue for backs with "weak" personalities, but that Hill "doesn't have a weak personality." Lewis also said neither Hill nor Gio Bernard "can predict how many carries they'll get in a certain game." Basically, Lewis is saying the status quo will be restored after Sunday's benching. Hill will keep hammering on early downs, and Bernard will change the pace. Hill remains an RB1, but perhaps more in the 10-12 range than 5-8. Bernard has a nice floor for a FLEX option.

[Mike Nice 40]

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis expressed confidence in Jeremy Hill following Sunday's benching for fumbling, saying the early-down back would be "fine."

Lewis said fumbles can become a mental issue for backs with "weak" personalities, but that Hill "doesn't have a weak personality." Lewis also said neither Hill nor Gio Bernard "can predict how many carries they'll get in a certain game." Basically, Lewis is saying the status quo will be restored after Sunday's benching. Hill will keep hammering on early downs, and Bernard will change the pace. Hill remains an RB1, but perhaps more in the 10-12 range than 5-8. Bernard has a nice floor for a FLEX option.

What gets me is lewis never confirms hill will still be the early down back, but yet roto somehow twists it to say that?

[hoydogg 3]

Yea, it's hard to really read into that. It could be more 50-50 with Hill getting the goal line work. I own him, so I'm hoping he plays well.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

I'm trying to trade for Hill. I don't think much has changed, it depends on the game and situation but Hill will be leading the way often. IMO. The fumbling has got to stop though.

[R8RMick 242]

What gets me is lewis never confirms hill will still be the early down back, but yet roto somehow twists it to say that?

I've learned to filter out the editorialized bias I get from Roto's data.

[BTL99 34]

I disagree .

 

I don't see anyway that Gio is ever ahead of Hill.

 

Gio will still get a good amount of touches, but goalline and the majority of carries will be Hill without a doubt.

[Ray_T 753]

 

I don't see anyway that Gio is ever ahead of Hill.

 

Gio will still get a good amount of touches, but goalline and the majority of carries will be Hill without a doubt.

If hill keeps putting the ball on the ground, not only will Gio be ahead of him, but Hill will also be finding new employment.

[edjr 6,592]

Whose job was it 1st?

[hoydogg 3]

If hill keeps putting the ball on the ground, not only will Gio be ahead of him, but Hill will also be finding new employment.

Let's not go overboard

[weepaws 3,193]

I don't see anyway that Gio is ever ahead of Hill.

 

Gio will still get a good amount of touches, but goalline and the majority of carries will be Hill without a doubt.

I don't see Hill as the clear number one like you said . I think that the game flow is going to decide that like it did last week , when someone is a clear number one they are the number one guy to matter what happens during the game , let's say like Peterson and or Bell , I don't think the Bengals see Hill as the clear number one guy because of the talent Bernard has .

[American Chewy 98]

no matter what happens...even if it is a rbbc...this is a good offense that wants to run the ball the opportunities will be there for hill. u really can't bench him until this becomes a 2-3 game thing. go down with the ship i say....though i personally believe the last game will end up a total aberration.

[Donkey 34]

man people have short memories. Gio's a decent player for what he is but he's a cop back. Hill's simply better. Obviously if the fumbles continue that would be a problem but my guess it was just a bad game.

[R8RMick 242]

man people have short memories. Gio's a decent player for what he is but he's a cop back. Hill's simply better. Obviously if the fumbles continue that would be a problem but my guess it was just a bad game.

 

 

I'll tell you one thing... I've never been a big Gio Bernard guy but he was running with authority against the Bolts. He looked like he wasn't interested in being a COP guy. I agree this RBBC will depend on game flow. You'd figure Cincy to be a ground and pound team, but Dalton must have found a fountain of youth as he's winging it this year. Of course, Week 1 was against the Raiders.

 

All things considered am benching Hill for Latavius in Cleveland this week. Murray has ran tough and his floor seems to have risen significantly.

[weepaws 3,193]

man people have short memories. Gio's a decent player for what he is but he's a cop back. Hill's simply better. Obviously if the fumbles continue that would be a problem but my guess it was just a bad game.

I don't disagree with you , but everyone can see that Bernard does have a lot of talent also . Hill is not a number one rb with Bernard around , there are going to be games like last week that Bernard as the hot hand .

[Criper 24]

I don't disagree with you , but everyone can see that Bernard does have a lot of talent also . Hill is not a number one rb with Bernard around , there are going to be games like last week that Bernard as the hot hand .

Wasn't Hill a #1 back, scratch that. wasn't Hill THE #1 back over the last 9 games in the NFL while Bernard was around last year? Didn't Bernard still have talent last year when Hill was dominating, or did Bernard only find "talent" this year? I don't buy your statement at all. What Bernard did last week was tremendous, but the fact is Bernard is not built to handle week in and week out, the 20 carries he got last week. He breaks down, and he has proven that. I really don't understand the debate between these two anyway. The Bengals are one of the most run heavy teams typically anyway, and if they are running 28-35 times a game, then both guys carry value. In today's fantasy football, if your RB1 gets 300 carries on the year, you're thrilled with that. That's less than 19 carries per game. If Hill averages 19 carries, and does anything close to what he did last year with those carries, then he IS a RB1. Even at 19 carries a game, that still leaves double digit carry potential for Bernard in a lot of weeks, depending on game flow, not to mention Bernard's value in the passing game, when gameflow dictates less running and more passing if they are behind. Yes, I own Hill in two leagues, one dynasty and one redraft, but in both leagues(PPR) I happen to own Bernard also and have been starting Bernard in my flex through the first two weeks, so the carry distribution doesn't concern me one way or the other, but I don't expect the "roles" to change this week, though a game against the Ravens sets up better for Bernard than Hill this week anyway IMO.

[weepaws 3,193]

Wasn't Hill a #1 back, scratch that. wasn't Hill THE #1 back over the last 9 games in the NFL while Bernard was around last year? Didn't Bernard still have talent last year when Hill was dominating, or did Bernard only find "talent" this year? I don't buy your statement at all. What Bernard did last week was tremendous, but the fact is Bernard is not built to handle week in and week out, the 20 carries he got last week. He breaks down, and he has proven that. I really don't understand the debate between these two anyway. The Bengals are one of the most run heavy teams typically anyway, and if they are running 28-35 times a game, then both guys carry value. In today's fantasy football, if your RB1 gets 300 carries on the year, you're thrilled with that. That's less than 19 carries per game. If Hill averages 19 carries, and does anything close to what he did last year with those carries, then he IS a RB1. Even at 19 carries a game, that still leaves double digit carry potential for Bernard in a lot of weeks, depending on game flow, not to mention Bernard's value in the passing game, when gameflow dictates less running and more passing if they are behind. Yes, I own Hill in two leagues, one dynasty and one redraft, but in both leagues(PPR) I happen to own Bernard also and have been starting Bernard in my flex through the first two weeks, so the carry distribution doesn't concern me one way or the other, but I don't expect the "roles" to change this week, though a game against the Ravens sets up better for Bernard than Hill this week anyway IMO.

The end of what you said shows you do agree , like I said there is going to be games that Bernard will have the hot hand like last week and you finished of your statement with Bermard might be the better match up this week . Also the last nine games that you speak of Bernard missed three of them due to being injured .

[Criper 24]

The end of what you said shows you do agree , like I said there is going to be games that Bernard will have the hot hand like last week and you finished of your statement with Bermard might be the better match up this week . Also the last nine games that you speak of Bernard missed three of them due to being injured .

Not true. What I disagreed with was your statement that "Hill is not a number one rb with Bernard around", and I gave reasons why I disagreed with your statement. And in fact, the end of what you said, "Bernard missed three of them due to being injured" gives credence as to why Bernard can't handle the lead role game in game out, his body can't take the pounding. Not sure what your definition of a #1 RB is, but by your logic, I guess ADP is not a number one back either, because Norv inexplicably only gave him 10 carries in game 1 against San Fran and blamed it on game flow.

[weepaws 3,193]

Not true. What I disagreed with was your statement that "Hill is not a number one rb with Bernard around", and I gave reasons why I disagreed with your statement. And in fact, the end of what you said, "Bernard missed three of them due to being injured" gives credence as to why Bernard can't handle the lead role game in game out, his body can't take the pounding. Not sure what your definition of a #1 RB is, but by your logic, I guess ADP is not a number one back either, because Norv inexplicably only gave him 10 carries in game 1 against San Fran and blamed it on game flow.

So if Hill was to get injured are going to say the same thing about his body not be able to hold up or any other player , or are you still arguing with your self about the fact that Bernard is going to steal work from Hill because he has a lot of talent ? Because of the usage of Bernard I don't think Hill should be draft as a number one rb , I have him on two teams and I have as a number two on both teams , so if you drafted Hill as a number one you are not going to get the true value from him as a number one because of the talent that Bernard does have .

[American Chewy 98]

You'd be hard pressed to find 12 rbs to start over hill every week.

[DontPushMe 5]

You guys make gio out to be tiny, he's 5'9 210. Just because he's fast and a good receiver doesn't mean he can't be a 3 down rb

[Criper 24]

So if Hill was to get injured are going to say the same thing about his body not be able to hold up or any other player , or are you still arguing with your self about the fact that Bernard is going to steal work from Hill because he has a lot of talent ? Because of the usage of Bernard I don't think Hill should be draft as a number one rb , I have him on two teams and I have as a number two on both teams , so if you drafted Hill as a number one you are not going to get the true value from him as a number one because of the talent that Bernard does have .

I'm not arguing with myself about Bernard wise ass. I am arguing YOUR contention that "Hill is not an RB1 as long as Bernard is around", and I am trying to argue the point intelligently with you, but you are making the "intelligent" part very difficult. Do you ever use any facts or statistics to support your statements? Or is "Bernard has a lot of talent" your sole reasoning for why Hill is not an RB1, according to you? In a standard 12 team league, I'd be curious to hear which 12 (or more) other RBs you consider to be RB1's since your contention is Hill is an RB2. I also argued the point that in the Bengal offense Hill could amass in the neighborhood of 300 carries (based on the fact he averaged 19 carries per game from week 9 on, last year), while Bernard could still have 150-175 himself (Bernard averaged 10 carries per game in the 6 games he played after week 9 last year when Hill took over as the lead dog), simply because traditionally, the Bengals run the ball so much, so I would ask you, if Hill ends the year with 300 carries and double digit TD's and if someone like ADP or Lynch end the year with 300 carries and double digit TD's also, why is ADP or Lynch an RB1 and Hill isn't? My argument is, and has been, that if Bernard averages 10 carries a game, that has no bearing on Hill being an RB1 with his expected usage in that offense, while your argument is still "Hill is not an RB1 as long as Bernard is around". I'm simply asking why? I disagree with your statement and have laid out some reasons why I disagree with you. But all I'm hearing from you is, "Bernard has a lot of talent". Well my cousin, Uptown Tina, has a lot of talent too. She can tie a cherry stem with her tongue while puffing on a Marlboro, but her talent has nothing to do with Jeremy Hill's role and workload in the Bengals offense either!

 

See what I am doing here? I am arguing against your point of contention about Hill, not Bernard, and I am doing it with facts, statistics, and real examples, rather than empty, baseless rhetoric. Try and keep up here, if you can. I tried to type real slow for you.

[brotherbock 349]

I'm not gonna jump in the middle of the personal attacks here, but I was curious, so I just did a quick list of guys I'd start over Hill (who I do have in more than one league) on any given week:

 

AD

Charles

Lynch

Lacy

Bell (not Jerk, the good one)

Forte

Uh...

 

Maybe Oakland's Murray, and Hyde, if trends continue and Hill doesn't make week 1 his standard.

 

I don't know if that's biased by my drafting Hill. Here are the top guys, both from pre-season rankings, and from 2 weeks of play, that I wouldn't start over him right now:

 

CJ Anderson

D. Murray

Forsett

McCoy

Miller

Gore

Ingram

Gordon

Morris

Stewart

Ivory

 

Of those guys, I could see Ivory possibly ended up good enough to put above Hill if various things were to happen. And I'll add Arian Foster, assuming he comes back and plays like he did last year. He'd be in that first list, in fact.

 

So that's 7 definitelys including Foster, and 3 maybe-at-some-points if they really improve and Hill plays as bad as last week or in-between weeks 1 and 2. If Hill does as good as week 1 regularly, he'd start above what I think L. Murray and Hyde will do. Other than that, I don't even see those other guys as 'maybes'.

 

So Hill is 8, at worst 11 for me, it looks like, if I had any RB available.

[weepaws 3,193]

Cant wait to see what happens when Foster returns I was able to draft him late in two of my leagues .

[brotherbock 349]

Cant wait to see what happens when Foster returns I was able to draft him late in two of my leagues .

 

I know, I'm excited. I kept him in my keeper league. I almost...almost...let him go and traded a draft pick for Forsett to be a keeper instead, but I backed away from that deal before it was done. And I have not regretted that one once.

[weepaws 3,193]

 

I'm not arguing with myself about Bernard wise ass. I am arguing YOUR contention that "Hill is not an RB1 as long as Bernard is around", and I am trying to argue the point intelligently with you, but you are making the "intelligent" part very difficult. Do you ever use any facts or statistics to support your statements? Or is "Bernard has a lot of talent" your sole reasoning for why Hill is not an RB1, according to you? In a standard 12 team league, I'd be curious to hear which 12 (or more) other RBs you consider to be RB1's since your contention is Hill is an RB2. I also argued the point that in the Bengal offense Hill could amass in the neighborhood of 300 carries (based on the fact he averaged 19 carries per game from week 9 on, last year), while Bernard could still have 150-175 himself (Bernard averaged 10 carries per game in the 6 games he played after week 9 last year when Hill took over as the lead dog), simply because traditionally, the Bengals run the ball so much, so I would ask you, if Hill ends the year with 300 carries and double digit TD's and if someone like ADP or Lynch end the year with 300 carries and double digit TD's also, why is ADP or Lynch an RB1 and Hill isn't? My argument is, and has been, that if Bernard averages 10 carries a game, that has no bearing on Hill being an RB1 with his expected usage in that offense, while your argument is still "Hill is not an RB1 as long as Bernard is around". I'm simply asking why? I disagree with your statement and have laid out some reasons why I disagree with you. But all I'm hearing from you is, "Bernard has a lot of talent". Well my cousin, Uptown Tina, has a lot of talent too. She can tie a cherry stem with her tongue while puffing on a Marlboro, but her talent has nothing to do with Jeremy Hill's role and workload in the Bengals offense either!

 

See what I am doing here? I am arguing against your point of contention about Hill, not Bernard, and I am doing it with facts, statistics, and real examples, rather than empty, baseless rhetoric. Try and keep up here, if you can. I tried to type real slow for you.

Right now Hill is on pace to have 232 carries . That's because when he fumbled twice last week they pulled him for Bernard do you see Lynch being pulled for someone if he did that or Peterson or Forte nope . Why be because Bernard has the talent to get the job done . And it's going to continue to be that way this whole season . Sorry you so upset , have a good day .

[CornKobb 48]

Hill owner here. I'm just glad he is healthy. Thought he was done for season on 1st fumble. Really awkward tackle. I will take 70 and td

[Criper 24]

Right now Hill is on pace to have 232 carries . That's because when he fumbled twice last week they pulled him for Bernard do you see Lynch being pulled for someone if he did that or Peterson or Forte nope . Why be because Bernard has the talent to get the job done . And it's going to continue to be that way this whole season . Sorry you so upset , have a good day .

Not upset at all bro, just looking for some logic behind your statement, which it doesn't seem like you are going to provide. Simply saying, "Bernard has talent" is a pretty weak argument to support your opinion that Hill is not an RB1. Everyone in the NFL has talent or they wouldn't be there. Not sure what your point is that Hill is on pace for 232 carries? He is also on pace for 16 TD's so what does that mean? And he put up RB1 numbers last year on only 222 carries. I guess simply asking you to expand on your rationale as to why you feel Hill is not a RB1 was too much to ask for. My bad! Won't happen again.

[Criper 24]

Hill owner here. I'm just glad he is healthy. Thought he was done for season on 1st fumble. Really awkward tackle. I will take 70 and td

Yeah I thought the same thing dude. Looked pretty bad at first. Prolly would have knocked Gio out for two games.

[CornKobb 48]

Kinda getting bummed on this cat. Killing me