Executive Order

[JTB 52]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/obama-executive-action-gun-control/

[Artista 460]

...And then we have dumb Trump saying he's going to undo it. Why do many think this means no guns? It's an attempt to keep guns out of the hands who shouldn't have them for public safety. It won't catch them all but it is an attempt. And he's wanting to put lots of dough toward mental health services. Of course Congress won't go for it. They control the purse so it ain't going to happen. Nice huh.

[JTB 52]

For the most part I'm ok with the order.

 

I'm VERY un ok with the process.

[Artista 460]

For the most part I'm ok with the order.

 

I'm VERY un ok with the process.

I'd rather have him just do it than worry about the process. This congress hates Obama and he'd never get done what he's promised if he waits for them. Such a shame but I'm glad this is another notch on his belt before he leaves office.

[Djgb13 2,339]

For the most part I'm ok with the order.

 

I'm VERY un ok with the process.

Thank you. I don't have a problem with making it a little harder to get guns as long as I CAN get them since I'm a responsible adult with a clean background. As far as the process, I HATE Obama and the way he acts like a spoiled child when he doesn't get his way

[posty 2,809]

Weren't the guns in the shootings over the past couple of years or so legally obtained at a gun shop?

[RLLD 4,275]

I think the people who fear the government most are the ones who defend gun rights the strongest.

[Artista 460]

Weren't the guns in the shootings over the past couple of years or so legally obtained at a gun shop?

Not all. And again of course it's not going to capture it all but some is better than nothing. I'm sure guns sales are breaking records today. Watch the stocks shoot up. Folks act like they are losing their guns.

[JTB 52]

I'd rather have him just do it than worry about the process. This congress hates Obama and he'd never get done what he's promised if he waits for them. Such a shame but I'm glad this is another notch on his belt before he leaves office.

I'd rather have the voting citizens of the US decide what should get done.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I think the people who fear the government most are the ones who defend gun rights the strongest.

If history has shown us anything then yes you should be afraid. The government today? I don't know of a single politician or higher up in the government who I do trust.

[Artista 460]

I'd rather have the voting citizens of the US decide what should get done.

Me too, but we are stuck with Congress. Same with prez election. I'm in Cali. How is my vote going to count with this electoral process crap? All you need is what, 5 states??

[JTB 52]

Me too, but we are stuck with Congress. Same with prez election. I'm in Cali. How is my vote going to count with this electoral process crap?

That's a different issue. How about in the first 2 years of his Presidency, why not then? Reelection?

[Djgb13 2,339]

Doesn't anyone think that congress should have term limits? They can literally stay in as long as they want. Retire and make over $100K a year for just serving one term. If you ask me the major change in the US needs to start with congress.

[Strike 6,019]

Weren't the guns in the shootings over the past couple of years or so legally obtained at a gun shop?

 

Irrelevant. We "have to do something!!!!"

[Artista 460]

That's a different issue. How about in the first 2 years of his Presidency, why not then? Reelection?

I think 4 years is enough time to see how a prez is doing. 2 years I think you're still getting your feet wet in your job. You figure yourself when you start a different job how long it takes to really learn everything and get the hang of it. A year is for most.

[Artista 460]

Doesn't anyone think that congress should have term limits? They can literally stay in as long as they want. Retire and make over $100K a year for just serving one term. If you ask me the major change in the US needs to start with congress.

Hell yes! Another bone I pick! WTF??? They control things more than the prez! Get the old stubborn focks outta there! Get some fresh new blood in there.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I'd rather have the voting citizens of the US decide what should get done.

Well, that's an antiquated notion. Rich citizens and corporations decide what gets done. It's time America's citizens face facts and realize and admit they live in an oligarchy.

[tanatastic 2,062]

I'd rather have the voting citizens of the US decide what should get done.

Ever seen most of these voting citizens? They are the dumbest most inbred hicks there are. They would elect any president who promised them 5 bucks off toilet paper at walmart.

[Artista 460]

Ever seen most of these voting citizens? They are the dumbest most inbred hicks there are. They would elect any president who promised them 5 bucks off toilet paper at walmart.

Majority of Trump supporters?

[KSB2424 3,173]

I'd rather have him just do it than worry about the process.

 

In any other avenue of life that would be called "cheating". The 'process' is the rules-laws-guidelines.

 

If an athlete or coach didn't like a "process" and they, you know, didn't follow it and just did it how they wanted, that would be cheating. If you didn't like the "process" of filing a tax return or paying taxes on income you earned and never reported it, that would be considered cheating on your taxes.

 

The rules-laws-guidlines aka the "process" is what keeps order, fairness and balance. It's important.

[Drizzay 745]

He's doing his best to boost the economy. I am sure S&W and other manufacturers (and those who hold stock in them) are very happy today.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

In any other avenue of life that would be called "cheating". The 'process' is the rules-laws-guidelines.

 

If an athlete or coach didn't like a "process" and they, you know, didn't follow it and just did it how they wanted, that would be cheating. If you didn't like the "process" of filing a tax return or paying taxes on income you earned and never reported it, that would be considered cheating on your taxes.

 

The rules-laws-guidlines aka the "process" is what keeps order, fairness and balance. It's important.

If he broke the rules then the republican controlled congress can hold him accountable.

[Artista 460]

 

In any other avenue of life that would be called "cheating". The 'process' is the rules-laws-guidelines.

 

If an athlete or coach didn't like a "process" and they, you know, didn't follow it and just did it how they wanted, that would be cheating. If you didn't like the "process" of filing a tax return or paying taxes on income you earned and never reported it, that would be considered cheating on your taxes.

 

The rules-laws-guidlines aka the "process" is what keeps order, fairness and balance. It's important.

In this case, I'd rather have him "cheat" than not. If it could save one life, it's worth it imo. We don't have a balanced congress anymore. It's all red in there. Red seems to mean don't move, just like a stop light or stop sign.

[KSB2424 3,173]

If he broke the rules then the republican controlled congress can hold him accountable.

 

Agreed, and I think you'll see this challenged.

 

BTW, I'm all for gun control in this country. If there is indeed some loophole where a vendor selling a gun doesn't do a background check then I'm for closing that loophole. I'm for a robust mental health check for gun purchases, etc.

 

But Congress makes the laws. It's a process we have in America. That's my only point of contention.

 

If a Republican President was unilateral ordering a law to do away with Background Checks and circumvented Congress, Democrats and the media would be going ape shit. And they'd be right to do so.

[Artista 460]

And for those who aren't for background checks and all, would you feel differently if your child/family member was killed by someone who may have been stopped by such a law?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

And if the Republicans defeat this, the first time anyone gets murdered because one of these reforms was removed will be on them. And they know it. Be prepared for some yelling and stomping and very little action. Obama beat them again

[Mungwater 601]

And if the Republicans defeat this, the first time anyone gets murdered because one of these reforms was removed will be on them. And they know it. Be prepared for some yelling and stomping and very little action. Obama beat them again

Close all the loopholes, eliminate all of the mass shootings with legally obtained guns. How many killings are done with legal weapons versus illegal? Take out suicides and that's the real number. I honestly don't know it.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Close all the loopholes, eliminate all of the mass shootings with legally obtained guns. How many killings are done with legal weapons versus illegal? Take out suicides and that's the real number. I honestly don't know it.

Agree. Suicides should NOT be included in those numbers. It inflates them ALOT.

[rholio 339]

What the article says, makes sense. The gun show "loophole" has been around for quite a while, and never fixed. What the actual order says, may be far different. Be cautious.

[Strike 6,019]

Every time government even suggests more gun control gun sales go through the roof. Seems like this stuff has the exact OPPOSITE effect as what is intended. Keep up the good work.

[KSB2424 3,173]

How do you think other, more broad and robust forms of gun control were made to law? The old fashioned way, the way our country was set up to do so, that's how.

 

 

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Pub.L. 103–159, 107 Stat. 1536, enacted November 30, 1993), often referred to as the Brady Act and commonly called theBrady Bill,^[1][2] is an Act of the United States Congress that mandated federal background checks on firearm purchasers in the United States, and imposed a five-day waiting period on purchases, until the NICS system was implemented in 1998.

The original legislation was introduced into the House of Representatives by Representative Charles E. Schumer ^[3] in March 1991,^[1] but was never brought to a vote. The bill was reintroduced by Rep. Schumer on February 22, 1993 and the final version was passed on November 11, 1993. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 30, 1993 and the law went into effect on February 28, 1994

 

 

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the bill or the laws themselves, but everyone should be on board with the proper process of how laws are passed in this country.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Every time government even suggests more gun control gun sales go through the roof. Seems like this stuff has the exact OPPOSITE effect as what is intended. Keep up the good work.

It does. People are going crazy here in Texas to buy guns since this order is coming out. There is a gun show here in SA every first weekend of the month. True you don't need a background check but last time I bought a gun here from a gun shop all they had to do was make a phone call and a background check was done. It's pretty easy for former military members though. Still, I do think a background check should be done for everyone buying a gun. If you go to a gun show either have a place where people can get them done there or have one done before going in case you decide to buy a gun

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

Doesn't anyone think that congress should have term limits? They can literally stay in as long as they want. Retire and make over $100K a year for just serving one term. If you ask me the major change in the US needs to start with congress.

'retire and make over 100k a year', how does that work? Just wondering.

[posty 2,809]

How about the "tears"...

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

How do you think other, more broad and robust forms of gun control were made to law? The old fashioned way, the way our country was set up to do so, that's how.

 

 

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the bill or the laws themselves, but everyone should be on board with the proper process of how laws are passed in this country.

I would agree with you prior to citizens United became the law of the land. After the SC basically told the rest of us that we were second class, I put zero faith in the way things are supposed to work. I'm sure president Trump will have many executives orders, just like Obama and Bush.

[Djgb13 2,339]

'retire and make over 100k a year', how does that work? Just wondering.

Something I read a while back. If I can find it I'll post it

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

How do you think other, more broad and robust forms of gun control were made to law? The old fashioned way, the way our country was set up to do so, that's how.

 

 

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the bill or the laws themselves, but everyone should be on board with the proper process of how laws are passed in this country.

Executive orders have been around since the beginning of the country, and in recent decades there have been ~150 executive actions per term.

 

You can disagree with the executive action, but this seems to me to be an appropriate use of one.

[hoytdwow 202]

Of the last five presidents, Reagan has issued the most executive orders.

Obumbler: second fewest.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies.

 

 

 

Executive Orders are done historically to set up agencies such as FEMA after a disaster (emergency) or order how existing laws would be executed. But to "make a law" such as this circumvents the process established where Congress does so. I'm sure its been done (exploited) before in this manner throughout history, doesn't make it right.

[DankNuggs 305]

In this case, I'd rather have him "cheat" than not. If it could save one life, it's worth it imo. We don't have a balanced congress anymore. It's all red in there. Red seems to mean don't move, just like a stop light or stop sign.

blue is the same way. they just have different reasons for not moving.