Transgender and public restrooms or locker rooms. What to do?

[Sho Nuff 720]

If boys and girls shared the same locker room in high school, do you know how many teen pregnancies there'd be?

I'd have a lot more kids.

I could've focked girls on the way to or from the showers. I've always been pretty quick.

Using the same locker room naked still wouldnt have helped you score.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

This guy also washes his hands after peeing with his pants still around his ankles and he appears to be wearing a jock strap.

It's not like you can say anything

[penultimatestraw 473]

It is like I said before. And we as guys probably don't experience this. But Especially in Public schools, Women's stalls Have had their doors removed for security reasons. So imagine a boy walking in a teenage boy With fully functioning genitalia And hardcore hormones Walking in And there are women with their panties around her ankles. G, what harm do you think that is?

You don't get to have it both ways. Either they are heterosexuals with heterosexual tendencies or they don't have those Tendencies. Which is it?

Again, I don't want some ffreak in a dress staring at my daughter's vagina. Call me crazy.

Most transgender males are attracted to males. Which makes sense, because they feel like they are women trapped in a man's body.

 

Also, no idea that women's restroom stalls were missing doors. What security problem is this solving?

[penultimatestraw 473]

And, by the way Even every Medical Professional Association Considers Transgendered people to have a Gender identity disorder. Emphasis on the word disorder.

false

[JTB 52]

false

Is it possible it could be a mental disorder? Kinda like eggs used to be bad but now not so much.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Is it possible it could be a mental disorder? Kinda like eggs used to be bad but now not so much.

It is possible, but every medical professional organization doesn't classify it as such. Per the American Psychological Association:

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Is it possible it could be a mental disorder? Kinda like eggs used to be bad but now not so much.

I look at it as a physical disorder, their brain is correct, the issue is an incorrect set of genitals.

 

I agree 20th saint Elistan, 50 years from now one side of this debate is going to be correct and the other side will bigots, in much the same way we view all those that supported segregation against blacks in our grand parents lifetime.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

It is possible, but every medical professional organization doesn't classify it as such. Per the American Psychological Association:

Science is a liar. Sometimes. - Mac

[KSB2424 3,148]

50 years from now one side of this debate is going to be correct and the other side will bigots, in much the same way we view all those that supported segregation against blacks in our grand parents lifetime.

 

Totally disagree.

 

Race - Sexual Preference - Age etc. are much different than Gender. To lump them all in one bucket is both a simplistic stance lacking nuance and asinine. Unlike all the others there is a common sense and completely valid reason to separate one gender from the other in certain situations when it comes to privacy and when it comes to competition.

 

Lebronette James should not be able to play in the WNBA nor shower in their locker room. No matter how she/he feels inside. That is NOT discriminatory nor bigoted.

 

Denying Lebronette a loan from the bank, or paying her less at her job or refusing her service in a restaurant, etc.etc. etc. That is discriminatory and is so today and he/she is protected by law from that. But that is not what we are discussing.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

So, soon all bathrooms are going to be unisex. Fockin lines. Thanks Bruce Jenner. And Obama

[JTB 52]

So, soon all bathrooms are going to be unisex. Fockin lines. Thanks Bruce Jenner. And Obama

The retards should lobby for their own too.

 

What about my skin disease? I have a skin disease that only allows me to wipe with soft toilet paper. Am I able to have my own stash of paper supplied......because I think I'm being discriminated against?

[gocolts 300]

It is possible, but every medical professional organization doesn't classify it as such. Per the American Psychological Association:

Good thing these folks have never been wrong about anything when there is a consensus among them.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Good thing these folks have never been wrong about anything when there is a consensus among them.

 

No one is always right, but I'll take the scientist's track record over ignorant intolerance every time.

[JTB 52]

No one is always right, but I'll take the scientist's track record over ignorant intolerance every time.

Speak for yourself. HTH

[Reality 3,121]

No one is always right, but I'll take the scientist's track record over ignorant intolerance every time.

It's ignorant intolerance to keep dudes out of the women's restroom.

 

Of course it is, I mean, why wouldn't it be...

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

PayPal has withdrawn plans for an expansion into Charlotte because of North Carolina’s new law limiting legal protections for LGBT individuals.

The payments company last month announced plans for a new global operations center in Charlotte that would employ over 400 people.

“The new law perpetuates discrimination and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture. As a result, PayPal will not move forward with our planned expansion into Charlotte,” the San Jose, Calif.-based technology company said in astatement Tuesday.

 

Nice, and people wonder why some folks get a bit up in arms about the ultra-PC stuff. When it grows legs and snowballs and turns something so small into something big.

 

This law in no way changes either Federal or State discrimination laws. Those still stand and are upheld. You cannot be discriminated against in North Carolina. What it does is says localities can't make up their own laws on top of the already existing ones (that fall in line with most of the country) that would allow men to go into women's restrooms and vice versa.

 

People talk about 'fake outrage' all the time but the fake outrage over this bill is mind blowing. NC's discrimination laws fall in line with most of the country. This law is nothing like the Georgia "Religious Liberty" thing nor the Indiana one from last year. It's nothing like that, not in the same realm.

 

Liberal Protesters and the Media have lost their focking minds on this one.

 

ETA: This is how dumb (and hypocritical) this has become. The NCAA is talking about not coming to NC because of this. Meanwhile they just had their Final Four in Houston, Texas. If you lined up the state anti-discrimination laws side by side for NC and Texas, NC has more protection for the LGBT group than Texas.

[hoytdwow 202]

 

 

Liberal Protesters and the Media have lost their focking minds on this one.

 

Ah, yes, those bastions of liberal thought like Dow Chemical, American Airlines and IBM

 

Why overturn Charlotte's law? If people want podunk, there's plenty of that elsewhere in NC.

 

Republicans continue to insist on legislating morality. They just don't get how offensive it is. That's why PayPal and others are bailing; it's symptomatic of a larger culture of intolerance that they don't want their brand associated with. Business decision.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Ah, yes, those bastions of liberal thought like Dow Chemical, American Airlines and IBM

 

 

 

That's not how this works. Something happens that actually isn't a big deal but it made as such in the media. Then the protesters get involved, it becomes a national news of fake outrage.

 

Then CEO's of companies are asked to chime in. What choice do they really have but to cave to the PC crowd? If not they run the risk of being "protested" themselves. You have to do that if you are Pay Pal or DOW Chemical.

 

Meanwhile if you take a step back......North Carolina's anti-discrimination laws are in-line with the majority of the country and actually more than some (like Texas). That's the dumbest part of all this. So you're going to move your company to another state that has the exact same laws or maybe even less protection for LGBT's?

[hoytdwow 202]

Something happens that actually isn't a big deal

 

Meanwhile if you take a step back......North Carolina's anti-discrimination laws are in-line with the majority of the country and actually more than some (like Texas). That's the dumbest part of all this. So you're going to move your company to another state that has the exact same laws or maybe even less protection for LGBT's?

I don't really think this is the point. Charlotte passed a law preventing LGBT discrimination. Usually, Republitards respect local control measures like this, but when there's a chance someone might see a peemus, the flat-earthers raced into action, and rammed through a law in 1 day invalidating Charlotte's law, without a chance for debate or anything. Meanwhile, the governor, who opposed the law, is a total poosay and caved to the fundies because he's afraid of his re-election chances.

 

Oh, and while they were at it, the new law prevents any locality from passing any nondiscrimination ordinances, and for good measure, nobody can raise their local minimum wage either. How is that not a big deal?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Speak for yourself. HTH

Okay You can stick with ignorance.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Okay, Sorry I'm not trying to be argumentative here at all. But if the law is as Ineffectual as you say it is, Why did

 

 

 

anybody even bother to draft Much less rally to pass This particular legislation?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

Let's just make one for all the bigots instead.

Oh come now.

 

I am not a bigot. I fully support a trannys right to be a tranny.

 

Feel free to dress how you want. Call yourself what you want. Whatever.

 

But you can't have "chicks" with their hairy cack flapping around in front of little girls. You just can't.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable at all.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Okay, Sorry I'm not trying to be argumentative here at all. But if the law is as Ineffectual as you say it is, Why did

 

 

 

anybody even bother to draft Much less rally to pass This particular legislation?

Not quite sure the question. But if I'm reading it correctly.....yes exactly it doesn't make all that much sense.

 

Weeks ago Charlotte passed some local law in effect allowing Transgender to use the wrong restrooms-showers-locker rooms. The people were concerned and started calling their state officials.

 

The state legislature met, drafted this bill that localities cannot supersede/overuse existing federal and state anti-discriminatory laws. Which rolls back this bathroom thing.

 

That was taken extremely negatively because rolling back ANY law in the discriminatory genre is railed against, even one in restroom privacy. So it blew up to a national story.

 

Now, a few unintended holes in this legislation were pointed out that it may roll back certain other local provisions that were not intended but the Govener has publicly said he would work to plug those and fix those as that wasn't the point of the bill and thus would be fixed.

[hoytdwow 202]

Not quite sure the question. But if I'm reading it correctly.....yes exactly it doesn't make all that much sense.

 

Weeks ago Charlotte passed some local law in effect allowing Transgender to use the wrong restrooms-showers-locker rooms. The people were concerned and started calling their state officials.

 

The state legislature met, drafted this bill that localities cannot supersede/overuse existing federal and state anti-discriminatory laws. Which roles back this bathroom thing.

 

That was taken extremely negatively because rolling back ANY law in the discriminatory genre is railed against, even one in restroom privacy. So it blew up to a national story.

 

Now, a few unintended holes in this legislation were pointed out that it may roll back certain other local provisions that were not intended but the Govener has publicly said he would work to plug those and fix those as that wasn't the point of the bill and thus would be fixed.

Weak sauce

[avoiding injuries 1,580]

PC > Logic

[drobeski 3,061]

Freaks and weirdo's.. Treatment not appeasement is a better option. Normal folks and children should not have to suffer for these attention starved fruitcakes.

[MDC 7,413]

Freaks and weirdo's.. Treatment not appeasement is a better option. Normal folks and children should not have to suffer for these attention starved fruitcakes.

Any doubts about whether this law is about bigotry are erased when you read comments like the above.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Any doubts about whether this law is about bigotry are erased when you read comments like the above.

 

So you stereotype a NC law on restroom privacy based on some New England dudes post about Transgender on the internet?

 

 

That is exactly whats wrong when anyone discusses anything about sex, race, gender, religion, etc. Nobody can have a discussion because people like you immediately point to the fringe and pretend everybody thinks this way. That's called stereotyping MDC. Something I thought you frowned upon.

 

Can't reasonable people come together and come to a common sense conclusion that:

 

1. Everybody, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual preference should have the ability to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

2. No person should be "discriminated" against and it should be frowned upon.

3. However when it comes to something like privacy in a restroom - shower - locker room or something like competition (men playing a womens sport) then clear lines should be drawn.

 

There is nothing bigoted about number three above. Not one damn thing.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

Freaks and weirdo's.. Treatment not appeasement is a better option. Normal folks and children should not have to suffer for these attention starved fruitcakes.

Bingo

[Frank M 181]

Why does everyone assume transgender people are pedophiles? But you bring up a valid point, transgenders are gonna sh!t somewhere, and kids genitals will surely be on their menu.

 

Because they are just like the gheys: sick freaks that want to have sex with your kids and marry a sheep.

 

HTH

[Frank M 181]

 

Nice, and people wonder why some folks get a bit up in arms about the ultra-PC stuff. When it grows legs and snowballs and turns something so small into something big.

 

This law in no way changes either Federal or State discrimination laws. Those still stand and are upheld. You cannot be discriminated against in North Carolina. What it does is says localities can't make up their own laws on top of the already existing ones (that fall in line with most of the country) that would allow men to go into women's restrooms and vice versa.

 

People talk about 'fake outrage' all the time but the fake outrage over this bill is mind blowing. NC's discrimination laws fall in line with most of the country. This law is nothing like the Georgia "Religious Liberty" thing nor the Indiana one from last year. It's nothing like that, not in the same realm.

 

Liberal Protesters and the Media have lost their focking minds on this one.

 

ETA: This is how dumb (and hypocritical) this has become. The NCAA is talking about not coming to NC because of this. Meanwhile they just had their Final Four in Houston, Texas. If you lined up the state anti-discrimination laws side by side for NC and Texas, NC has more protection for the LGBT group than Texas.

 

 

 

Hey, man, it's just the free market that all the libertarians love doing it's job.

[MDC 7,413]

 

So you stereotype a NC law on restroom privacy based on some New England dudes post about Transgender on the internet?

 

 

That is exactly whats wrong when anyone discusses anything about sex, race, gender, religion, etc. Nobody can have a discussion because people like you immediately point to the fringe and pretend everybody thinks this way. That's called stereotyping MDC. Something I thought you frowned upon.

 

Can't reasonable people come together and come to a common sense conclusion that:

 

1. Everybody, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual preference should have the ability to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

2. No person should be "discriminated" against and it should be frowned upon.

3. However when it comes to something like privacy in a restroom - shower - locker room or something like competition (men playing a womens sport) then clear lines should be drawn.

 

There is nothing bigoted about number three above. Not one damn thing.

 

The drobeski types aren't the fringe. Go pull up any article about this topic and I guarantee you the comments section is full of similar comments.

 

The concern about where transgendered people take a sh1t is rooted in the false and bigoted assumption that these people are apt to be pedophiles and sexual predators. Interesting that you think my calling a spade a spade is the problem and not the petty bigotries of people like drobeski.

[edjr 6,580]

Color me shocked that this topic/thread turned into an FFT pissing match.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

The drobeski types aren't the fringe. Go pull up any article about this topic and I guarantee you the comments section is full of similar comments.

 

The concern about where transgendered people take a sh1t is rooted in the false and bigoted assumption that these people are apt to be pedophiles and sexual predators. Interesting that you think my calling a spade a spade is the problem and not the petty bigotries of people like drobeski.

This.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

 

The drobeski types aren't the fringe. Go pull up any article about this topic and I guarantee you the comments section is full of similar comments.

 

The concern about where transgendered people take a sh1t is rooted in the false and bigoted assumption that these people are apt to be pedophiles and sexual predators. Interesting that you think my calling a spade a spade is the problem and not the petty bigotries of people like drobeski.

Lol

[drobeski 3,061]

Lol

lol

 

Why do these freaks hate normal people, kind of bigotist I think.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

lol

 

Why do these freaks hate normal people, kind of bigotist I think.

Just taking orders. They won't think for themselves. I hope they go to meet the teachers one night and see that a lrans-whatever is teaching their kid health class.

[porkbutt 893]

i don't think trannies are necessarily pedophiles and predators. i think they have mental issues and need help not bathroom rights.

 

but point here is...i don't care if it's focking john wayne or a dude with a wig...i don't want that sh;t in the stall next to my daughter. is that being a bigot?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

The drobeski types aren't the fringe. Go pull up any article about this topic and I guarantee you the comments section is full of similar comments.

 

The concern about where transgendered people take a sh1t is rooted in the false and bigoted assumption that these people are apt to be pedophiles and sexual predators. Interesting that you think my calling a spade a spade is the problem and not the petty bigotries of people like drobeski.

I have no concern of pedophelia. My concern is that little girls shouldn't be exposed to dongs. End of story.

[Frank M 181]

I have no concern of pedophelia. My concern is that little girls shouldn't be exposed to dongs. End of story.

 

If a transgender man is using the ladies restroom, how is the little girl going to see his dong?

 

As for the locker room concern, where are all these locker rooms where adults are showering with children? Most gyms are for adults, not children, anyways, and if you are letting your young children shower with adults in any circumstance, it's a parenting problem, not a transgender issue.