Is It Hypocritical?

[KSB2424 3,148]

Just saw where Target is allowing transgender people to use the bathroom of their choice becoming the first business to do so

 

If that business, Target, wants to do that, fine. It's a free country and they are a private business.

 

At least they had a choice. If HB2 wasn't passed in North Carolina, Target and all other businesses in the City of Charlotte wouldn't have a a choice on their policies.

[Mungwater 597]

 

Did you know that transgendered females and males can now compete in the Olympics as the gender of their choice as long as they meet the criteria the IOC has set? That criteria does not include any details about the genitals. In other words, you can have a dong and compete in women's sports.

 

The IOC apparently isn't following the rules, "biologically speaking". Guess they're all just a bunch of liberals.

 

Newer rules permit transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics after having completed sex reassignment surgery, being legally recognized as a member of the sex they wish to compete as, and having undergone two years of hormonal therapy (unless they transitioned before puberty).

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports

 

So if they compete the surgery they don't take off the ? What exactly they doing then?

[edjr 6,588]

Just saw where Target is allowing transgender people to use the bathroom of their choice becoming the first business to do so

 

God help us.

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Newer rules permit transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics after having completed sex reassignment surgery, being legally recognized as a member of the sex they wish to compete as, and having undergone two years of hormonal therapy (unless they transitioned before puberty).

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports

 

So if they compete the surgery they don't take off the ######? What exactly they doing then?

 

Personally if a dude has sex reassignment surgery and takes hormone therapy for an amount of time that is scientifically proven to get their estrogen levels in line and their testosterone levels in line with the average female then fine, I see no reason why they cannot compete in sports.

 

I'm good with that. Reasonable people can agree. But there HAS to be rules like that in place.

 

And in the HB2 Law, if a man has a sex change and legally changes his sex, then they are now considered a woman by the state. Sort of the same thing.

 

Seems reasonable to me.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

If an adult changes their sex or wants to identify with a different sex, whatever. Go and do what you want. Pre-teens and teenagers? Sorry, not cow towing to their wishes.

[Frank M 181]

Newer rules permit transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics after having completed sex reassignment surgery, being legally recognized as a member of the sex they wish to compete as, and having undergone two years of hormonal therapy (unless they transitioned before puberty).

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports

 

So if they compete the surgery they don't take off the ######? What exactly they doing then?

 

That policy changed in 2016.

 

 

Transgender athletes should be allowed to compete in the Olympics and other international events without undergoing sex reassignment surgery, according to new guidelines adopted by the IOC.

 

International Olympic Committee medical officials said on Sunday they changed the policy to adapt to current scientific, social and legal attitudes on transgender issues.

 

The guidelines are designed as recommendations – not rules or regulations – for international sports federations and other bodies to follow and should apply for this year’s Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.

 

“I don’t think many federations have rules on defining eligibility of transgender individuals,” IOC medical director Dr Richard Budgett said. “This should give them the confidence and stimulus to put these rules in place.”

 

Under the previous IOC guidelines, approved in 2003, athletes who transitioned from male to female or vice versa were required to have reassignment surgery followed by at least two years of hormone therapy in order to be eligible to compete.

Now, surgery will no longer be required, with female-to-male transgender athletes eligible to take part in men’s competitions “without restriction”.

Meanwhile, male-to-female transgender athletes will need to demonstrate that their testosterone level has been below a certain cutoff point for at least one year before their first competition.

 

“It is necessary to ensure insofar as possible that trans athletes are not excluded from the opportunity to participate in sporting competition,” the IOC said in a document (pdf) posted on its website that outlines the guidelines. “The overriding sporting objective is and remains the guarantee of fair competition.

 

“To require surgical anatomical changes as a precondition to participation is not necessary to preserve fair competition and may be inconsistent with developing legislation and notions of human rights,” it added.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Like I said, the IOC? Who elects them? One of the most corrupt orginizations on the planet. Means nothing.

[Frank M 181]

Like I said, the IOC? Who elects them? One of the most corrupt orginizations on the planet. Means nothing.

 

It means nothing that the Olympics, the greatest worldwide athletic competition. is now allowing transgendered athletes to compete as the gender they identify with, citing changing societal, scientific, and legal attitudes, because the IOC is unelected and corrupt?

 

Okay.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

 

It means nothing that the Olympics, the greatest worldwide athletic competition. is now allowing transgendered athletes to compete as the gender they identify with, citing changing societal, scientific, and legal attitudes, because the IOC is unelected and corrupt?

 

Okay.

 

Awesome. I wonder if our friends in the Muslim world are ok with this?

[tanatastic 2,062]

Awesome. I wonder if our friends in the Muslim world are ok with this?

As a nation of peace, they embrace all of gods creatures.

[Frank M 181]

Awesome. I wonder if our friends in the Muslim world are ok with this?

 

I would saywho gives a fock what you or Muslims are okay with? It's happening.

[Mungwater 597]

 

It means nothing that the Olympics, the greatest worldwide athletic competition. is now allowing transgendered athletes to compete as the gender they identify with, citing changing societal, scientific, and legal attitudes, because the IOC is unelected and corrupt?

 

Okay.

 

judging by what they said, there is very little chance a tranny could compete.

 

Even if my brother was a transgender, I honestly can't care one way or the other.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

 

I would saywho gives a fock what you or Muslims are okay with? It's happening.

But everyone cares what you think. And it's obvious we care what the Muslims think. Ya heard?

[Frank M 181]

judging by what they said, there is very little chance a tranny could compete.

 

Even if my brother was a transgender, I honestly can't care one way or the other.

 

The gesture and recognition is the important thing.

[Frank M 181]

But everyone cares what you think. And it's obvious we care what the Muslims think. Ya heard?

 

If you were smart, you would care about what I think. As usual, I'm right.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

 

If you were smart, you would care about what I think. As usual, I'm right.

 

I know what you think before you say anything. You're consistent like that. Good boy.

[Frank M 181]

I know what you think before you say anything. You're consistent like that. Good boy.

 

 

I'm only half surprised you threw the gun this early.

 

Of course, when you have no bullets to begin with...

[KSB2424 3,148]

I keep hearing the term "rights" being thrown around when it comes to where you pee and if you can play a sport. Transgender RIGHTS!@#!

 

Can somebody please direct me to the part of our Bill of Rights that says you have the right to pee in a certain bathroom and play in the Olympics? TIA

 

ETA: Point being, we are not talking about the right to vote, or being discriminated in getting a loan from a bank, or eating at a restaurant or buying a house. Of course that shouldn't fly. But we're talking about showers and sports leagues here folks. Things separated, for good reason, by gender. It's starting to irritate me that reasonable people cannot separate the two.

 

Dear Transgenders,

 

You should be treated the same in the eyes of the law as anyone else. You are a person, although a bit different in one respect, a person none the less and should be treated as such. For everything EXCEPT where you use the restroom and shower (in public) and sports leagues. I'm sorry but those two caveats must exist and you will have to work around that reality because of your uniqueness. Thanks for understanding; be well.

 

Kind Regards,

 

America

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

 

 

I'm only half surprised you threw the gun this early.

 

Of course, when you have no bullets to begin with...

I know, what was I thinking ? You always stray from the liberal party line.

[Frank M 181]

I know, what was I thinking ? You always stray from the liberal party line.

 

You were much more effective crying about the transgendered. Now you're just being whiny.

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

I don't think the concern is Transgenders per se, but rather that enabling all of this cross restroom / locker room makes it easier for the true pedos to do stuff.

How?

[penultimatestraw 473]

True pedophiles are in the public bathroom with your kids right now. Are you seriously suggesting that a male pedophile will now find it easier to molest young girls because he can dress as a female and go into the woman's bathroom?

Yeah. It isn't that people dislike transgenders, they dislike pedophiles impersonating transgenders to get their evil clutches on the kids. Currently they need to convincingly disguise themselves to foil restroom security, but a law like this allows them to parade into the nearest locker room without even a hint of eyeliner! Plus every teenage boy will pretend to be a girl to ogle his classmates!!

[penultimatestraw 473]

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview#a4

 

Sounds like there may be a physical basis for this behavior and might not be some casual decision made by an entitled teen. And to that point, some of these people live terrible lives early on. Bullied and abused simply for being different.

 

Maybe the answer is just to pretend to be something you're not. Seems to be the geek way.

Yep. The idea that anyone would voluntarily choose the life of a transgender is about as stupid as the gheys choosing their sexuality.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I keep hearing the term "rights" being thrown around when it comes to where you pee and if you can play a sport. Transgender RIGHTS!@#!

 

Can somebody please direct me to the part of our Bill of Rights that says you have the right to pee in a certain bathroom and play in the Olympics? TIA

 

ETA: Point being, we are not talking about the right to vote, or being discriminated in getting a loan from a bank, or eating at a restaurant or buying a house. Of course that shouldn't fly. But we're talking about showers and sports leagues here folks. Things separated, for good reason, by gender. It's starting to irritate me that reasonable people cannot separate the two.

 

Dear Transgenders,

 

You should be treated the same in the eyes of the law as anyone else. You are a person, although a bit different in one respect, a person none the less and should be treated as such. For everything EXCEPT where you use the restroom and shower (in public) and sports leagues. I'm sorry but those two caveats must exist and you will have to work around that reality because of your uniqueness. Thanks for understanding; be well.

 

Kind Regards,

 

America

Do you not consider a good dump important to your pursuit of happiness?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Yep. The idea that anyone would voluntarily choose the life of a transgender is about as stupid as the gheys choosing their sexuality.

Yeah, 14 year olds have it figured out.

[jerryskids 6,797]

 

 

True pedophiles are in the public bathroom with your kids right now. Are you seriously suggesting that a male pedophile will now find it easier to molest young girls because he can dress as a female and go into the woman's bathroom?

Of course they are. I'm suggesting that the more liberal laws only help the pedos. I also said earlier that I don't think we need laws; the situation is and has been self-regulating.HTH

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Of course they are. I'm suggesting that the more liberal laws only help the pedos. I also said earlier that I don't think we need laws; the situation is and has been self-regulating.HTH

Not anymore. A federal court in Virginia ruled that a Transgender high school student can go where she wants.

[MDC 7,425]

Not anymore. A federal court in Virginia ruled that a Transgender high school student can go where she wants.

Be sure to update us when she rapes somebody.

[FeelingMN 273]

Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday.

 

More than a dozen other surveys of transgender people worldwide since 2001 have found similarly high rates, and the problem has grown more visible since Caitlyn Jenner's coming out raised awareness about transgender health issues overall.

 

That's borne out by the research, which shows those who are harassed, bullied, victimized, discriminated against or rejected by family and friends are more likely to attempt suicide.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/16/transgender-individuals-face-high-rates--suicide-attempts/31626633/

 

But...but....pedophiles.

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/16/transgender-individuals-face-high-rates--suicide-attempts/31626633/

 

But...but....pedophiles.

 

There is a high correlation between suicide and transgender?

 

You know what other subset has a high rate of suicide? The mentally ill. Maybe instead of indulging their fantasies, we should help them with treatment instead. I dunno.

[RLLD 4,230]

Meanwhile, people are starving, and being shot dead in the streets....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Be sure to update us when she rapes somebody.

Did I bring anything like that up?

[drobeski 3,061]

it really doesn't matter until drobeski gives his hot take

rmff

[FeelingMN 273]

There is a high correlation between suicide and transgender?

You know what other subset has a high rate of suicide? The mentally ill. Maybe instead of indulging their fantasies, we should help them with treatment instead. I dunno.

This is perhaps the most damning study, since it strongly suggests that when transgender people are treated the same as cisgender (non-transgender) people, the risk of suicide becomes no different than for anyone else.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-truth-about-transgend_b_8564834.html

 

Seems like the best treatment might be to treat them as people instead of freaks. Probably too hard for some, it'll make them feel all icky inside. Plus they think when you treat a transgender like a normal person, you help create 3 pedophiles out of thin air.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-truth-about-transgend_b_8564834.html

 

Seems like the best treatment might be to treat them as people instead of freaks. Probably too hard for some, it'll make them feel all icky inside. Plus they think when you treat a transgender like a normal person, you help create 3 pedophiles out of thin air.

 

Normal people use the Bathroom that aligns with their equipment. I guess I'm showing great fear by requesting they use the same bathroom as me.

[MDC 7,425]

Did I bring anything like that up?

It's a given, that's why trannies want to crap near kids.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-truth-about-transgend_b_8564834.html

 

Seems like the best treatment might be to treat them as people instead of freaks. Probably too hard for some, it'll make them feel all icky inside. Plus they think when you treat a transgender like a normal person, you help create 3 pedophiles out of thin air.

 

I don't think they are freaks. Not any more than someone with depreasion, anxiety, or a host of other mental illnesses are. Hell, I've had treatment for mental difficulties myself when sh!t got bad.

 

Your attitude is what bothers me about this debate. This is not about hate. I do not think trans people are pedophiles. I do not think they are freaks. They are people. People who are confused.

 

If it makes them feel better to live life as something they objectively are not, then they have that right. No problem. Personally, I think they would be better off receiving counseling to embrace what they actually are, rather than paying to have their genitals mutilated. But that's not my decision.

 

But bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports leagues are separate for a reason. Those people have a right to be comfortable too.

 

It saddens me to see the left, my usual constituency, on a completely irrational frothing witch hunt on this non issue.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I don't think they are freaks. Not any more than someone with depreasion, anxiety, or a host of other mental illnesses are. Hell, I've had treatment for mental difficulties myself when sh!t got bad.

 

Your attitude is what bothers me about this debate. This is not about hate. I do not think trans people are pedophiles. I do not think they are freaks. They are people. People who are confused.

 

If it makes them feel better to live life as something they objectively are not, then they have that right. No problem. Personally, I think they would be better off receiving counseling to embrace what they actually are, rather than paying to have their genitals mutilated. But that's not my decision.

 

But bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports leagues are separate for a reason. Those people have a right to be comfortable too.

 

It saddens me to see the left, my usual constituency, on a completely irrational frothing witch hunt on this non issue.

I don't think transgenders are "normal", but I also don't think it can be treated as a mental illness. I am unaware of any counseling/psychotherapy or medication that will change their gender identity. Yet, FeelingMN has given data which suggests societal acceptance dramatically reduces their risk of suicide. This bathroom "issue" is a minor part of that acceptance, but it is a step in the right direction IMO, with little to no downside.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

I don't think transgenders are "normal", but I also don't think it can be treated as a mental illness. I am unaware of any counseling/psychotherapy or medication that will change their gender identity. Yet, FeelingMN has given data which suggests societal acceptance dramatically reduces their risk of suicide. This bathroom "issue" is a minor part of that acceptance, but it is a step in the right direction IMO, with little to no downside.

Except for the teenage girl who is feeling awkward about her body and now has to share a locker room with a boy.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I'm at a bar right now and my wife's friends ex girlfriend (her friend is bi FYI) is here but the girl is now a guy and goes by the name Alex. She/he used the female restroom