Is It Hypocritical?

[cyclone24 1,913]

2016 - the year common sense turned into bigotry.

Time has a funny way of changing what we thought was common sense into just being an asshhole.

 

History is funny that way

[Bert 1,128]

When did it all get so complicated - is it really more difficult than: You got a dong? Pee in this room. You got a beav? Pee in this room.

The day common sense died.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Time has a funny way of changing what we thought was common sense into just being an asshhole.

 

History is funny that way

I'm an assshole bcoz I think boys should pee in 1 room, girls another?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Time has a funny way of changing what we thought was common sense into just being an asshhole.

 

History is funny that way

So you really buy this "you are what you identify as" garbage?

 

I mean, be trans if you want to. IDGAF. And I think anyone who gives you abuse about it is garbage.

 

But there is this pesky thing called objective reality, and that twig and giggle berries says you ain't a woman. Take your ass to piss in the "people with a peemus" room.

[cyclone24 1,913]

I'm an assshole bcoz I think boys should pee in 1 room, girls another?

Not you specifically....and not just this topic...but history has a way whether its the anti gays, anti womens equality, anti black, etc views....that were for a long time viewed as common sense....when over time was a ridiculous viewpoint. But not you personally

[porkbutt 893]

When did it all get so complicated - is it really more difficult than: You got a dong? Pee in this room. You got a beav? Pee in this room.

you're not incorporating my feelings into the equation and how i identify.

 

it's me me me and my feelings

[KSB2424 3,148]

well thanks for making my point then. There are plenty of reasons, from a broad spectrum of political leanings, to protest this law.

 

Hoyt does bring up a few points. The HB2 law was a bit more over-reaching than the legislature and the Govener thought. There were some "holes" in the legislation. This is nothing new when passing laws or ordinances.

 

The Governor, after learning of them filed an executive order that plugged those holes. This was a week ago....

 

 

Executive Order 93 does the following:

• Maintains common sense gender-specific restroom and locker room facilities in government buildings and schools
• Affirms the private sector’s right to establish its own restroom and locker room policies
• Affirms the private sector and local governments’ right to establish non-discrimination employment policies for its own employees
• Expands the state’s employment policy for state employees to cover sexual orientation and gender identity
• Seeks legislation to reinstate the right to sue in state court for discrimination

With this Executive Order, the State of North Carolina is now one of 24 states that have protections for sexual orientation and gender identity for its employees.

 

“After listening to people’s feedback for the past several weeks on this issue, I have come to the conclusion that there is a great deal of misinformation, misinterpretation, confusion, a lot of passion and frankly, selective outrage and hypocrisy, especially against the great state of North Carolina,” said Governor McCrory. “Based upon this feedback, I am taking action to affirm and improve the state’s commitment to privacy and equality.”

 

 

 

So NC is one of only 24 states who have special protections for LGBT in the country (more than Federal Protection too)......but Pearl Jam chooses not to play here yet plays concerts in the other 26 states that don't.

 

YES it is perfectly okay to call that hypocritical and dumb.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

So, can someone in favor of LGBT rights bottom line this for me? Do LGBT rights supporters advocate that a person should be allowed to use facilities such as bathrooms and locker rooms as per the gender they have chosen to identify with? And I'm to assume this extends itself to public schools as well? I'm not interested in the other aspects of LGBT rights, just this part. Thanks.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

OP clearly doesn't understand what "hypocritical" means

[KSB2424 3,148]

So, can someone in favor of LGBT rights bottom line this for me? Do LGBT rights supporters advocate that a person should be allowed to use facilities such as bathrooms and locker rooms as per the gender they have chosen to identify with? And I'm to assume this extends itself to public schools as well? I'm not interested in the other aspects of LGBT rights, just this part. Thanks.

 

Yes, LGBT "rights" include that a transgender person be allowed to use the restroom-shower-locker room of the gender they identify with, not the one on their birth certificate.

 

To deny them that "right" is considered bigoted, hateful and akin to Jim Crow laws.

 

That is the crux of the issue.

 

On top of that, North Carolina, with HB2 and then the subsequent Executive Order has said:

 

1. Private Business can figure out their restroom-shower rules as they see fit. They can do it by gender, they can have uni-sex, whatever they want, but local gov't shall not mandate it either way.

 

2. For public facilities like gov't buildings, a person must use the the restroom based on whats under the hood.

 

3. NC also added Ghey and Transgender to the groupings of what are considered a protected class of minorities within public employment. One of just 24 states to do so and which is not currently at the Federal level.

 

4. Private business can implement whatever employment law and regulations they want as long as they meet state and federal standards. And most businesses - corporations already have private HR policies in place that protect LGBT.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

 

Yes, LGBT "rights" include that a transgender person be allowed to use the restroom-shower-locker room of the gender they identify with, not the one on their birth certificate.

 

To deny them that "right" is considered bigoted, hateful and akin to Jim Crow laws.

I'm looking for someone who supports LGBT rights input, but thanks

[Djgb13 2,339]

OP clearly doesn't understand what "hypocritical" means

 

Hypocritical - adjective. 1. of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess: The parent who has a do what I say and not what I do attitude can appear hypocritical to a child.

 

Seems pretty cut and dry here worms

[cyclone24 1,913]

I'm looking for someone who supports LGBT rights input, but thanks

I would say I'm a supporter. I understand the argument against it but you also have to a little bit look at it from their point of view. This is a far more treacherous proposition for them than it is for you to enter these bathrooms. The opportunity for them to be assaulted and harassed is far greater then some bizarre peeping Tom episode towards a gender they are not interested in. In my opinion they just want to take a leak that's it. I personally don't understand it but they feel more like the opposite sex so going to a male bathroom as a transgender feels off to them and uncomfortable. Again I can't claim to understand it but that's how they feel and they live their life as the opposite sex.

 

I support it but I also don't think it's terribly necessary either.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

I would say I'm a supporter. I understand the argument against it but you also have to a little bit look at it from their point of view. This is a far more treacherous proposition for them than it is for you to enter these bathrooms. The opportunity for them to be assaulted and harassed is far greater then some bizarre peeping Tom episode towards a gender they are not interested in. In my opinion they just want to take a leak that's it. I personally don't understand it but they feel more like the opposite sex so going to a male bathroom as a transgender feels off to them and uncomfortable. Again I can't claim to understand it but that's how they feel and they live their life as the opposite sex.

 

I support it but I also don't think it's terribly necessary either.

So their comfort level is the issue here?

[KSB2424 3,148]

I would say I'm a supporter. I understand the argument against it but you also have to a little bit look at it from their point of view. This is a far more treacherous proposition for them than it is for you to enter these bathrooms. The opportunity for them to be assaulted and harassed is far greater then some bizarre peeping Tom episode towards a gender they are not interested in.

 

I support it but I also don't think it's terribly necessary either.

 

I too see both sides. Transgender is not like ghey or black or old. It's different, it creates complex issues because some things like showers and sports leagues are seperated for damn good reason based on Gender. So it creates a complex issue of balancing the rights of any individual with common sense and logical seperation of certain things based on gender.

 

My points of contention about the whole NC thing is two fold.

 

1. I don't like a City mandating private businesses to choose one way or the other when it comes to transgender and restrooms-showers. Let the private business decide if they have unisex or whatever.

 

2. The hyperbole and selected outrage on this issue for North Carolina. If you took a step back and lined up all the LGBT protections for all the sates, NC would fall right in the middle of the country. There are many more states that have LESS protections for LGBT than NC, yet somehow this bill, the HB2 and this "story" blew up in the national media and snowballed to where it is currently. [gocolts] It's beyond belief!@#! [goclots]

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It was a dumb law to begin with. Springsteen has a right to not play there if he opposes it. Same thing when people did not want to play Sun City.

 

Will those same people still play places where there is discrimination in various forms? Many times they will because those forms of discrimination were in place already or it wasn't the right time to make a social commentary in opposition. They have every right to do that. I think that they call it the First Amendment.

[Djgb13 2,339]

So their comfort level is the issue here?

If that's the case what about the comfort levels of the women/men in the restrooms they are around? If I had a daughter I'd be uncomfortable as hell if a dude walked into the bathroom right behind my daughter.

[tanatastic 2,062]

There should be a mens bathroom and a womens bathroom, period.

[KSB2424 3,148]

It was a dumb law to begin with.

 

Agreed. If the city of Charlotte didn't try to tell private business who can and cannot pee in which bathroom and just left it as it was, none of this would have happened. Very dumb Law the city of Charlotte tried to impose which made this a "thing" now.

[cyclone24 1,913]

So their comfort level is the issue here?

I guess..sorta. to them it's like asking you to go to the bathroom in the girls bathroom sitting down. I'm aware thats way over the top but just trying to make the point that they just live their life differently. And again I don't want to be the spokesperson for this whole movement I think it's a little over the top as well.

 

It's tough I understand they want equality but some hoops are just going to be very difficult to jump through without some level of discomfort on their part.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Also, I think it's about more than them just taking a piss. There are plenty of gender neutral bathrooms. Yet the Trans community wants an all or nothing verdict. They want to go into the bathroom they feel comfortable in and won't take adding gender neutral restrooms.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Well, if the advocates for LGBT rights are concerned with them not being discriminated against when it comes to jobs ect I'm in support. But the bathroom/locker room stuff? Sorry, that's a bridge too far for me. You just cost yourself my support. Any politician that advocates this nonsense is not getting my vote. Sorry Hillary/ Bernie. Not that I'm voting for Cruz. I guess I'll wander in the political desert until somebody I like comes along. It's all been a waste anyway.

[cyclone24 1,913]

Certainly makes the glory hole more of a gamble doesn't it?

[Djgb13 2,339]

Can a woman who is Trans be a gay dude? Look like a man, dress like a man, act like a man, but Fock dudes. Is that a thing?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

Agreed. If the city of Charlotte didn't try to tell private business who can and cannot pee in which bathroom and just left it as it was, none of this would have happened. Very dumb Law the city of Charlotte tried to impose which made this a "thing" now.

 

You are naïve if you think that the legislators in that state were not trying to put in a law that discriminated against the trannies.

[cyclone24 1,913]

Can a woman who is Trans be a gay dude? Look like a man, dress like a man, act like a man, but Fock dudes. Is that a thing?

I feel like my right and left brain may explode together trying to fathom this...

[Djgb13 2,339]

I feel like my right and left brain may explode together trying to fathom this...

Fock it's people nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if they came out saying they were a gay transsexual. I certainly didn't think we would be having them protest laws saying if you were born male you have to pee in the male bathroom

[Baker Boy 1,699]

White southern fundie culture that thinks it can legislate morality is ending .... deal with it.

Correct

 

The American people have abandoned the morals and values they once had, they have traded spirituality for sensuality, holiness for profanity, and righteousness for self-interest and they are offering their unborn children up as sacrifices. What was once thought of as immoral is now celebrated as sacred.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I feel like my right and left brain may explode together trying to fathom this...

I googled it....gay transgender is a thing...so they can be born male, identify as a woman, and still like women and want to have sex with them

[FeelingMN 273]

A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday ruled for a Virginia transgender student seeking access to the bathroom of his gender identity.

 

The ruling by the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals sent back to a lower court the widely watched case that considered whether transgender students are protected by the 1972 Title IX Act, which prohibits sex-based discrimination by schools receiving federal funding.

 

Student Gavin Grimm was barred from using the boys’ bathroom at his local high school in Gloucester County, Virginia. Grimm was born a female but identifies as a male.

 

The appellate court reversed a district court’s dismissal of a Title IX claim by the student and said he could proceed with his lawsuit, which contends that the school board’s decision was discriminatory.

 

The appeals court said in its ruling that the district court “did not accord proper deference to the Department of Education’s regulations.”

 

The case was remanded to the district court to be reheard.

 

The decision marked the first time a federal appeals court has found Title IX rights protect transgender students, the ACLU said in a statement. It could impact other states where similar cases have arisen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-lgbt-idUSKCN0XG2G3

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

You are naïve if you think that the legislators in that state were not trying to put in a law that discriminated against the trannies.

 

I live here, I've been reading about this and educating myself for months. But I'm the naive one? Gotcha.

[KSB2424 3,148]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-lgbt-idUSKCN0XG2G3

 

So Virginia has a rule (as of now) on locker rooms and gender.

 

But, but, but.........Pear Jam played in Hampton, Va. just last night.

 

But they cancelled their Raleigh show tonight based on the same Transgender "rights".

 

 

I think that answers the OP's question.

[Voltaire 5,316]

I googled it....gay transgender is a thing...so they can be born male, identify as a woman, and still like women and want to have sex with them

Yeah. In case I ever decide to rob a bank and fail, I'm a transgender lesbian for incarceration purposes.

[Mungwater 597]

We need to have a rule that states what constitutes a transgender, just because you identify with it, doesn't make you one. Take hormone pills and get a boob job with a , not a transgender.

 

I think the line is the junk, if you remove it and get the other parts, boom, you're in the bathroom.

[DankNuggs 305]

I don't understand why this is a issue worth dedicating resources to. Just let people go to the bathroom and go about their lives

[KSB2424 3,148]

I don't understand why this is a issue worth dedicating resources to. Just let people go to the bathroom and go about their lives

 

That's the way it was here in NC. Then the Charlotte City Council implemented a city ordinance mandating that private businesses must have a rule that allows transgenders to go to the restroom - shower- locker room of the gender they identify with.

 

Nobody really gave a rats ass until then and there was no state law about it until Charlotte made it an issue and made it a "thing".

[hoytdwow 202]

 

Agreed. If the city of Charlotte didn't try to tell private business who can and cannot pee in which bathroom

You have been so disingenuous about this issue that it's unbelievable. You're hurting your personal brand. This is not at all what the law was. It simply stated that trans people could use the bathroom of their choice.

 

It didn't require business to take any action or build new bathrooms or anything like that. In fact, it forced them to not do anything. Why are you so committed to misrepresenting it?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

You have been so disingenuous about this issue that it's unbelievable. You're hurting your personal brand. This is not at all what the law was. It simply stated that trans people could use the bathroom of their choice.

 

It didn't require business to take any action or build new bathrooms or anything like that. In fact, it forced them to not do anything. Why are you so committed to misrepresenting it?

Did the go where you want law apply to public schools?

[Voltaire 5,316]

]Thankfully as a kid, I grew up in a time/place with no creepy gays around, let alone trannies, and this wasn't an issue.

 

Now that I'm the dad of the prettiest girl in the school I'd like to keep it that way, and do -I just read about what you are enduring but it's degrees of separation as I don't experience it since there remains no tolerance for perverts in the girls' rooms here- but apparently I have to remain living in an oppressive totallitarian country for that now.

 

Ah, trade offs.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Agreed. If the city of Charlotte didn't try to tell private business who can and cannot pee in which bathroom and just left it as it was, none of this would have happened. Very dumb Law the city of Charlotte tried to impose which made this a "thing" now.

Nobody's buying your spin. HTH