obama - transgender bs

[Saint Elistan 106]

Yep.

 

Maleness, femaleness and hermaphrodidity are all apparent at birth.

 

If you choose to ignore the obvious, it is a mental issue.

 

Hasn't been since 2012.

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

Hasn't been since 2012.

 

 

Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria

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Gender dysphoria used to be called gender identity disorder. But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria

Exactly. Stress, anxiety and depression are ALL mental issues.

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

 

Also, If your argument about human nature is hinged on a make believe concept that has only been around since 2012...

[Saint Elistan 106]

Exactly. Stress, anxiety and depression are ALL mental issues.

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

 

Ah, so you're Delusional.

 

When did you get your diagnosis?

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Ah, so you're Delusional.

 

When did you get your diagnosis?

When did you fail logic?

[Frank M 181]

Exactly. Stress, anxiety and depression are ALL mental issues.

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

 

Also, If your argument about human nature is hinged on a make believe concept that has only been around since 2012...

I love it when people are totally convinced of what they are saying despite having no factual basis for their boneheaded rantings.

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I love it when people are totally convinced of what they are saying despite having no factual basis for their boneheaded rantings.

Right? Fockin "scientists".

[naomi 360]

Have you ever interacted with a transgender individual? Even if every bathroom was unisex, I doubt anyone would chose their situation. Independent of the common sentiment that they are "freaks", they believe they were born into the wrong body. No amount of societal acceptance will make that easier. And just like sexuality, gender identity is not a conscious choice.

 

Yeah...that was pretty much why I wrote that post. In my experience, I wouldn't assume they're coming from classic broken homes (Jerry's experience), as they're in strong socioeconomic steads. Quietly broken maybe but I also wouldn't assume it's at a greater level than non-transgender students. Also, not identifying as male or female is a growing group, using resource rich, liberal high school kids as my barometer.

 

I do think FeelingMN's biology centric post about the chromosomes/telomeres was really interesting because from personal, just endocrine system related experience, I know it can be amazing and sourced way below the surface how things are/go amiss.

[wiffleball 4,797]

 

 

Gender dysphoria used to be called gender identity disorder. But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria

Disorder is the operative term. Much like Brandon Marshall being an a****** Has rebranded himself as having a Personality disorder.In his case, that's so-called disorder Got darrent Williams killed. Prr official court documents.I am not trying to conflate things, But if you've got male genitalia And you still think you're a woman? That's a God damn disorder.

 

I don't give a f*** if you wear a mini skirt And stilettos, But stay the hell out of the bathrooms. I think that's a reasonable compromise.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Don't forget kid touchers and arsonists.

 

Hell, California, one of the strictest gun control states in the country, recently reduced the penalty for stealing a gun from a felony to a misdemeanor. Which proves they don't care about "gun crime". Anybody who still believes otherwise is a fool.

 

not to mention the just released tons of inmates that were considered non-violent crimes. You know like armed robbery

[Saint Elistan 106]

Disorder is the operative term. Much like Brandon Marshall being an a****** Has rebranded himself as having a Personality disorder.In his case, that's so-called disorder Got darrent Williams killed. Prr official court documents.I am not trying to conflate things, But if you've got male genitalia And you still think you're a woman? That's a God damn disorder.

 

I don't give a f*** if you wear a mini skirt And stilettos, But stay the hell out of the bathrooms. I think that's a reasonable compromise.

 

Call it a disorder if you want, but the evidence says it's biological not psychological. That means you can't treat them like shite just because they're different.

[wiffleball 4,797]

 

Call it a disorder if you want, but the evidence says it's biological not psychological. That means you can't treat them like shite just because they're different.

We'll see? Therein lies the leap. I already brought up the compromise. I don't think not allowing somebody Who Openly claims to be a straight male to whip his out In a woman's bathroom As treating them Like shite For not allowing them to do so.I think they should be treated with dignity and respect, With the exception being using the wrong gendered bathroom. Because normal women and men for that matter Should also be treated with dignity and respect. And women have a much greater sense Of modesty and privacy Than most men.And I grew up in my Horribly curious world where Your rights end Where my rights begin.What about the rights of those women and girls In this case Who Just want to be able to use the restroom Without some openly stright male walking in On them? I mean, To put this into perspective, Most wives don't even want their husbands walking in on them.

[KSB2424 3,173]

We'll see? Therein lies the leap. I already brought up the compromise. I don't think not allowing somebody Who Openly claims to be a straight male to whip his ###### out In a woman's bathroom As treating them Like shite For not allowing them to do so.I think they should be treated with dignity and respect, With the exception being using the wrong gendered bathroom. Because normal women and men for that matter Should also be treated with dignity and respect. And women have a much greater sense Of modesty and privacy Than most men.And I grew up in my Horribly curious world where Your rights end Where my rights begin.What about the rights of those women and girls In this case Who Just want to be able to use the restroom Without some openly stright male walking in On them? I mean, To put this into perspective, Most wives don't even want their husbands walking in on them.

 

This is what I don't get either. People are labeling this shower/bathroom issue as HATE!@#! and DISCRIMINATION!@#! and all these other buzz words to get everyone worked up.

 

I've said this multiple times but unlike pretty much every other "minority" whether it be race or sexual preference or age or religion, transgenders bring about certain odd issues around where we as society separate things based SOLELY on gender. Public showers, restrooms and athletic competition. Other than those things people can pretty much do what they want to be happy. But reasonable people can agree the uniqueness of a Transgender brings about issues on those very few items. Items that are relatively low on the importance scale, but where it makes sense to draw clear lines.

 

The other 99.7% also have a right to privacy.

 

A biological man (who identifies as a woman) that is awarded a college scholarship in women's swimming. It's not ALL about the Transgender person being happy, its about what is fair. That is a scholarship that another woman didn't get as that spot was taken. It's about that person's rights and fairness too.

[parrot 789]

 

The other 99.7% also have a right to privacy.

 

 

We have a right to privacy in a public restroom? Since when? Many public restrooms have rows of unshielded urinals. Hell some have troughs. Many schools have rules against doors on restroom stalls. How is that in any way private?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

 

Call it a disorder if you want, but the evidence says it's biological not psychological. That means you can't treat them like shite just because they're different.

Having a rule about which facility they use is treating them like shite? I wonder what you think of how they are treated in most other countries.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

We have a right to privacy in a public restroom? Since when? Many public restrooms have rows of unshielded urinals. Hell some have troughs. Many schools have rules against doors on restroom stalls. How is that in any way private?

 

Transgenders have a right to use any bathroom they want? Since When?

 

This works both ways.

 

When a school has a locker room, with showers and bathrooms there has always been, an inferred rule that dudes don't go in the girls room and girls don't go in the boys rooms due to privacy. Are you saying this is not the case? Why the fock do you think we have always had separate rooms for pubic showers and restrooms? For privacy reasons between dudes and chicks. Did I really have to type that?

 

I'm not saying its in the focking Bill of Rights or something.

[MDC 7,881]

Having a rule about which facility they use is treating them like shite? I wonder what you think of how they are treated in most other countries.

What does the way homos / trans are treated in other countries have to do with anything?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

What does the way homos / trans are treated in other countries have to do with anything?

Setting the parameters for what" treating them like shite"'are. I dont think the bathroom policy qualifies.

[parrot 789]

 

Transgenders have a right to use any bathroom they want? Since When?

 

This works both ways.

 

When a school as a locker room, with showers and bathroom there has always been, an inferred right that dudes don't go in the girls room and girls don't go in the boys rooms due to privacy.

 

I'm not saying its in the focking Bill of Rights or something.

 

Nice lead, but I didn't ever say anything like the bolded. We are currently hashing out just what rights the transgendered have in regards to bathrooms. You making up rights for the rest of us doesn't in any way help resolve that issue. You can try and turn this around any way you want, but there is no "right to privacy" in a public restroom. The facilities are offered and we either choose to use them, or not. If you want privacy, hold it until you get home.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

 

I didn't ever say anything like the bolded. We are currently hashing out just what rights the transgendered have in regards to bathrooms. You making up rights for the rest of us doesn't in any way help resolve that issue. You can try and turn this around any way you want, but there is no "right to privacy" in a public restroom. The facilities are offered and we either choose to use them, or not. If you want privacy, hold it until you get home.

What about schools?

[Frank M 181]

What does the way homos / trans are treated in other countries have to do with anything?

 

Hardcore Bastard Pilot is obsessed with transgendered and gay people in the Middle East. He mentions it in every other post as if it means something.

[KSB2424 3,173]

If you are a man and don't want to use the public men's room because you "identify" differently, hold it until you get home.

 

Agreed.

[drobeski 3,061]

Can someone do a post count per person for this thread to see who actually really is obsessed with the issue ?

[parrot 789]

What about schools?

 

Is there "a right to privacy" in a school bathroom? No. In fact, as I said, many schools have rules against stall doors. If privacy were the goal, those rules would not exist.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

 

Hardcore Bastard Pilot is obsessed with transgendered and gay people in the Middle East. He mentions it in every other post as if it means something.

Obsessed? Hardly. I just like to see a little consistency form the people who are such ardent LGBT supporters, like Obama, who went from being against gay marriage to using his position to force states to adhere to this agenda. It's ok for countries his friends have business with to go way beyond which bathroom they use, like killing them, but the people in NC can't set their own reasonable community standards.

[parrot 789]

 

Agreed.

 

I'm glad we agree that you made up the idea that we have a right to privacy in a public restroom.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

 

Is there "a right to privacy" in a school bathroom? No. In fact, as I said, many schools have rules against stall doors. If privacy were the goal, those rules would not exist.

Your argument above was that someone should hold it until they got home if they want privacy.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Is there "a right to privacy" in a school bathroom? No. In fact, as I said, many schools have rules against stall doors. If privacy were the goal, those rules would not exist.

 

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

I'm glad we agree that you made up the idea that we have a right to privacy in a public restroom.

 

You are actually arguing that the reason there are separate bathrooms/showers between genders has nothing to do with Privacy?

 

Why the fock do they separate restrooms and showers (in public places) by gender parrot? Why do you think society has always done that?

 

If not for privacy then what?

 

Do tell? It's not for privacy, then why do they? For fun?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

 

Is there "a right to privacy" in a school bathroom? No. In fact, as I said, many schools have rules against stall doors. If privacy were the goal, those rules would not exist.

Wow.

[parrot 789]

Your argument above was that someone should hold it until they got home if they want privacy.

 

My argument is that there is no "right to privacy". And yes, this it true in schools as well. If

 

 

You are actually arguing that the reason there are separate bathrooms/showers between genders has nothing to do with Privacy?

 

Why the fock do they separate restrooms and showers (in public places) by gender parrot? Why do you think society has always done that?

 

If not for privacy then what?

 

Do tell? It's not for privacy, then why do they? For fun?

 

Wow, you're trying really hard to put words in my mouth and failing miserably. I never said that it had "nothing to do with privacy" I said there is no "right to privacy". You claimed there was a "right to privacy", now you're trying to say that simply segregating by gender is the same thing as a "right to privacy" and it's simply not. A right to privacy would protect you equally from anyone, not just people of the other gender. It's not a tough concept

[KSB2424 3,173]

Wow.

 

People have lost their minds.

 

Of course there is an inferred right to privacy when you are in a public restroom. If you are a woman in the WOMEN'S ROOM then it is inferred that men don't go in there. Duh.

 

Society and government never had to actually write a focking rule, because everyone knew what it meant.

[parrot 789]

Wow.

 

Wow what? Have you never used a public restroom? Other people come and go all the time. This is true in schools now, today, and has nothing to do with transgenderism or genders at all. The word "privacy" has no correlation to gender. If a girl sees a girl going to the bathroom that is not "private". You guys don't get to make up your own definitions for terms like "privacy" just to suit your argument/

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Wow, you're trying really hard to put words in my mouth and failing miserably.

 

No sir, you are spinning and parsing words over my comment, that was part of a broader point about "right to privacy".

 

I'll try to be exact here so you can understand. Read slowly:

 

The sole reason society separates public showers - bathrooms is due to privacy between the genders. No matter how your parse the words, the Presidents directive now wipes that away.

 

Maybe you think that is good and okay, fine, but some people think that separation between genders in public places like showers and restrooms, especially when it comes to minors (schools) is valid for the same privacy reasons that were used when they built the two separate showers - bathrooms to begin with.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Wow what? Have you never used a public restroom? Other people OF THE SAME GENDER come and go all the time.

 

Fixed for you.

 

We are talking about Transgenders parrot. The separation of genders in public showers and bathrooms that has always existed in America.....because of the privacy, yes privacy it gives. If we didn't want to give privacy based on gender then there would be just one big ass shower at the gym. I am flabbergasted I have to type this.

[NorthernVike 2,095]

Can someone do a post count per person for this thread to see who actually really is obsessed with the issue ?

 

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=stats&do=who&t=454451

[parrot 789]

 

No sir, you are spinning and parsing words over my comment, that was part of a broader point about "right to privacy".

 

I'll try to be exact here so you can understand. Read slowly:

 

The sole reason society separates public showers - bathrooms is due to privacy between the genders. No matter how your parse the words, the Presidents directive now wipes that away.

 

Maybe you think that is good and okay, fine, but some people think that separation between genders in public places like showers and restrooms, especially when it comes to minors (schools) is valid for the same privacy reasons that were used when they built the two separate showers - bathrooms to begin with.

 

I'm not spinning or parsing anything. You started with a false premise, I was merely pointing that out. Only a dolt would suggest that a person in a room with multiple other people has "privacy" simply because the other people happen to be of their gender. If you don't like that, maybe try using terms that actually mean what you're trying to say instead of expecting the rest of us to adjust our own lexicon to fit you.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

I'm not spinning or parsing anything. You started with a false premise, I was merely pointing that out. Only a dolt would suggest that a person in a room with multiple other people has "privacy" simply because the other people happen to be of their gender. If you don't like that, maybe try using terms that actually mean what you're trying to say instead of expecting the rest of us to adjust our own lexicon to fit you.

 

You know what, you're are right. I give you and others to much credit some times.

 

One would assume that when we are talking about Transgenders and Privacy that it would be pretty easy to understand and infer we are discussing the separation and privacy between the genders. Since the context is Transgenders and all. JFC

 

Dear Geek Club: When the discussion is about and around Transgenders, when a person is talking about shower and restroom privacy they mean....Privacy between the Genders. Just so we're clear. I assumed this would be common sense, but apparently not. Jeebus.

[parrot 789]

 

You know what, you're are right. I give you and others to much credit some times.

 

One would assume that when we are talking about Transgenders and Privacy that it would be pretty easy to understand and infer we are discussing the separation and privacy between the genders. Since the context is Transgenders and all. JFC

 

You used over-reaching language - with a well-understood historical meaning - that diverges pretty sharply from just the current context. That's not my fault no matter how many times you try to run it through the same spin cycle. Of course it would be great for you if no one called you on it, because then you can complain that this "right to privacy" is being lost, even though it never existed in the first place.

[Reality 3,121]

 

Phenomenal.