wiffleball 4,793 Posted June 21, 2016 I completely agree. I didn't say they were perfect I meant they perfected the model. But are they any worse than any one or anything else? They have done a lot of evil things but you can not deny what they contributed. Gotcha. Big fan of the asset-free corporation myself. Cuts down on P. Tax. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 Did they invent the car, railroads ect? Rockefeller invented oil? All replaceable. Let's not make them out to be Jonas Salk. They were businessmen, nothing more, and the way they operated is illegal now. Rockefeller got rich once because of a monopoly, then got richer when they made him break it up. And I won't get into the cruel labor practices all of them used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 Gotcha. Big fan of the asset-free corporation myself. Cuts down on P. Tax. That is balance sheet light, kind sir. It worked out great........................................................................for the focking lawyers. Gawd lawyers are the most evil blood sucking people on the planet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 Laugh all you want, but it's all true. You can look it up. But I will say, that at least the robber barons left something behind. Today's robber barons and I'm talking about Wall Street and the banks, contribute almost nothing for all their wealth. At least we got cars and railroads out of the old timers. I'm sure you hold Teddy Roosevelt in high esteem. They called him the " Trust Buster" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 Laugh all you want, but it's all true. You can look it up. But I will say, that at least the robber barons left something behind. Today's robber barons and I'm talking about Wall Street and the banks, contribute almost nothing for all their wealth. At least we got cars and railroads out of the old timers. I'm sure you hold Teddy Roosevelt in high esteem. They called him the " Trust Buster" Actually I do like Teddy. Corporations need to be checked. Our modern life and the advancements made because of these mere businessmen and their companies is incredible. Ford changed all of manufacturing and JDR is the father of modern oil production. To dismiss the technical contributions these corporations have and continue to make is nieve. They are not perfect but they are no more or less corrupt than our political leaders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 Actually I do like Teddy. Corporations need to be checked. Our modern life and the advancements made because of these mere businessmen and their companies is incredible. Ford changed all of manufacturing and JDR is the father of modern oil production. To dismiss the technical contributions these corporations have and continue to make is nieve. They are not perfect but they are no more or less corrupt than our political leaders. Maybe their methods were a sign of the times. I'll accept that. But sorry, there is no way in hell I am giving any credit to some hedge fund manager who only used capital to create his wealth. Not innovation or hard work. Not even luck. Just moving massive amounts of money in and out with the security of inside information assuring a profit an astounding( impossible if it's done legit) amount of the time. Damn those guys are good. And they contribute nothing to speak of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 Maybe their methods were a sign of the times. I'll accept that. But sorry, there is no way in hell I am giving any credit to some hedge fund manager who only used capital to create his wealth. Not innovation or hard work. Not even luck. Just moving massive amounts of money in and out with the security of inside information assuring a profit an astounding( impossible if it's done legit) amount of the time. Damn those guys are good. And they contribute nothing to speak of. I get that but Morgan is the father of that BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 I get that but Morgan is the father of that BS. That's why I dont get support people give them on the capital gains. The game has changed since that was implemented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 That's why I dont get support people give them on the capital gains. The game has changed since that was implemented. I mean the original JP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 I mean the original JP. Ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,793 Posted June 21, 2016 I mean the original JP. Thank God. I thought you meant Freeman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted June 21, 2016 Laugh all you want, but it's all true. You can look it up. But I will say, that at least the robber barons left something behind. Today's robber barons and I'm talking about Wall Street and the banks, contribute almost nothing for all their wealth. At least we got cars and railroads out of the old timers. I'm sure you hold Teddy Roosevelt in high esteem. They called him the " Trust Buster" Not only that, the robber barons built universities (vanderbilt) concert halls (carnegie). They built entire communities for their workers to live in (Dupont, Pullman, Ford). They left a better society. Most of today's billionaires are parasites. Shuffling paper around taking money they produced nothing to earn. Speculating on this and passing the bag to the taxpayer when they fock up. At least they still build housing for the workers though. In China, Bangladesh, Mexico, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted June 21, 2016 Creation and perfection of the corporation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 Not only that, the robber barons built universities (vanderbilt) concert halls (carnegie). They built entire communities for their workers to live in (Dupont, Pullman, Ford). They left a better society. Most of today's billionaires are parasites. Shuffling paper around taking money they produced nothing to earn. Speculating on this and passing the bag to the taxpayer when they fock up. At least they still build housing for the workers though. In China, Bangladesh, Mexico, etc. At least when the old guys broke some eggs we all got some of the omelette. They got most of it, but left behind enough. These focks on Wall Street only want more. We don't even know most of their names. Just the way they like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 Roll your eyes all you want your profession has enabled the wall street focks to lead us to where we are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted June 21, 2016 Roll your eyes all you want your profession has enabled the wall street focks to lead us to where we are. You sound like a raving lunatic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted June 21, 2016 You sound like a raving lunatic True but I am not wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,635 Posted June 21, 2016 Roll your eyes all you want your profession has enabled the wall street focks to lead us to where we are. Waffle House manager? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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edjr 6,724 Posted June 21, 2016 whatever it was, another country made it better, while we sat on our asses and watched. Railroads are a joke. Internet is laughable compared to some countries. Why the fock is anyone paying for internet in America? who the fock doesn't use it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Cruzer 1,995 Posted June 21, 2016 The Transcontinental Railroad That is definitely a strong possibility for the top 10. Maybe also - the Louisiana Purchase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 whatever it was, another country made it better, while we sat on our asses and watched. Railroads are a joke. Internet is laughable compared to some countries. Why the fock is anyone paying for internet in America? who the fock doesn't use it? Railroads are a joke because we have planes and the interstate highway system. Railroads in Europe make a lot more sense, that's why they are so much better. Ours could be great and only a small amount of people woukd use them more than they already do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,724 Posted June 21, 2016 Railroads are a joke because we have planes and the interstate highway system. Railroads in Europe make a lot more sense, that's why they are so much better. Ours could be great and only a small amount of people woukd use them more than they already do. MBTA (Boston/MA trains) had 400 million riders last year. Please let us know where we can hitch a plane ride to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 MBTA (Boston/MA trains) had 400 million riders last year. Please let us know where we can hitch a plane ride to work. Like I said, if you made them so great, ridership woukd only increase a little bit. The ones that woukd use it already are, crappy as it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted June 21, 2016 Railroads are a joke because we have planes and the interstate highway system. Railroads in Europe make a lot more sense, that's why they are so much better. Ours could be great and only a small amount of people woukd use them more than they already do. Hauling people is a very small part of what railroads do. We haul more freight tonnage by railroad than any other country but China. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 Hauling people is a very small part of what railroads do. We haul more freight tonnage by railroad than any other country but China. That's not what we're talking about. We are talking about passenger railroads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,685 Posted June 21, 2016 I don't know the top 10, but the internet and the power grid are 1-2 in my opinion. The power grid being first and the internet being a distant second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted June 21, 2016 Interstate system Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted June 21, 2016 That's not what we're talking about. We are talking about passenger railroads. You were talking about "railroads" and pronouncing them a "joke", while never acknowledging what they really do. That's dumb. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,724 Posted June 21, 2016 Like I said, if you made them so great, ridership woukd only increase a little bit. The ones that woukd use it already are, crappy as it is. dude, the focking thing crawls, it's a joke. with no traffic to deal with, there is no reason it can't go twice as fast. if it went twice as fast, I assure you. WAY more people would use it I am not asking for a bullet train, just stop going 10 over a bridge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,674 Posted June 21, 2016 dude, the focking thing crawls, it's a joke. with no traffic to deal with, there is no reason it can't go twice as fast. if it went twice as fast, I assure you. WAY more people would use it I am not asking for a bullet train, just stop going 10 over a bridge. I hear ya, but the metro north in NY is packed every day as is. No incentive to improve. I'm sure it's the same in Boston. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted June 21, 2016 Interstate system Interstate Love Song Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,724 Posted June 21, 2016 I hear ya, but the metro north in NY is packed every day as is. No incentive to improve. I'm sure it's the same in Boston. they have it so they dont have many empty seats during rush hour. While we are on the subject March 7, 2016In a series of unanimous votes the Fiscal and Management Control Board voted for fare changes effective July 1, 2016 1. While the overall system-wide average increase is approximately 9.3%, some of the changes will reduce fares and costs for certain services. These changes should result in approximately $43 million in new revenue in FY17. Creation of Lock box: Dedicating all fare increase funds to improve service The Board voted to put all increased fare revenue into a lock box to fund investment in capital improvements that will deliver short term improvements to the riding public. This dedicated fund will be under the control of the FMCB. A two-thirds vote of the FMCB is required to use any funds for a purpose other than the original intent. Lock box funds will total approximately $43M in FY17 and $25 million from FY16 operating budget savings. Lock Box Al Focking Gore is running the MBTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 21, 2016 Kaitlyn Jenner She is so brave, courageous and heroic. Just like the men and women who fight and die for our country...just like them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,793 Posted June 21, 2016 In no particular order: Flow-Bee Spray Hair World's Largest Ball of Twine Baseball Outsourcing Pasteurized Process Cheese Food Product Jazz Doritos Robo-calls This list is fail without any mention of the Snuggie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites