Just some quick notes on Melvin Gordon from local radio. He looks bad at camp.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Was listening to radio today in San Diego and one of the guys was talking about his experience on sunday at camp. Its not the word of god or anything, but he said Gordon looked like the worst player on the field, lethargic, didnt care, sluggish, lazy and just overall not excited. Getting routinely manhandled by the pass rushers in blocking and just didnt look good. Like I said, its not major news but its just a bad sign for a guy who is probably letting the weight of expectations get to him. Plus some guys just lose their motivation when they get that rookie money. I did not have Gordon anywhere on my list and that prob wont change. Gun to my head i would only take him well after Woodhead.

[Kopy 568]

Was listening to radio today in San Diego and one of the guys was talking about his experience on sunday at camp. Its not the word of god or anything, but he said Gordon looked like the worst player on the field, lethargic, didnt care, sluggish, lazy and just overall not excited. Getting routinely manhandled by the pass rushers in blocking and just didnt look good. Like I said, its not major news but its just a bad sign for a guy who is probably letting the weight of expectations get to him. Plus some guys just lose their motivation when they get that rookie money. I did not have Gordon anywhere on my list and that prob wont change. Gun to my head i would only take him well after Woodhead.

Any info on Tyrell Williams?

[Maulers1973 117]

Interesting. I had him ranked 27th, but this sure doesn't sound good. Maybe he's the next Montee Ball.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

Any info on Tyrell Williams?

Sounds like he is locked in as the #3. He has been making good plays and impressing. He isn't going to jump Benjamin without an injury for now. Although I think the Benjamin signing was unnecessary with the talent SD had at receiver with Inman, Herndon, and Williams. Benjamin is probably the scrawniest receiver I can remember. My legs look more muscular than his.

 

Also, let's not forget Rivers locks on to Allen. When was the last time anyone besides Allen was consistently reliable as a fantasy asset? So I am excited for the opportunity he has, but I can't get my hopes up too much.

[weepaws 3,191]

As of today I have him ranked 42nd and don't see that news making his ranking any better on my list

[polecatt 478]

He may just not be NFL material. I would stay away at this point.

[The Football Guru 222]

Was listening to radio today in San Diego and one of the guys was talking about his experience on sunday at camp. Its not the word of god or anything, but he said Gordon looked like the worst player on the field, lethargic, didnt care, sluggish, lazy and just overall not excited. Getting routinely manhandled by the pass rushers in blocking and just didnt look good. Like I said, its not major news but its just a bad sign for a guy who is probably letting the weight of expectations get to him. Plus some guys just lose their motivation when they get that rookie money. I did not have Gordon anywhere on my list and that prob wont change. Gun to my head i would only take him well after Woodhead.

 

I don't doubt you heard what you heard correctly, but there was a post over the weekend that raved about his conditioning as well as his comfort and confidence in the offense. I don't doubt he blew some blocks (makes you wonder what GM Tom Telesco was thinking when he said MG was the best pass-blocking back in the 2015 draft) because he has a reputation for missing blocks.

 

With that said, I'll take him as nothing more than a RB3. He's almost certain to lose goal-line and third-down work to Woodhead again, so he'll have to do work on big plays and hope the Chargers' defense balls out, something I'm wasn't counting on even with Joey Bosa in camp. He deserves to go at least two rounds after Woodhead at the moment.

[stonewall 647]

His value is increasing as his ADP falls.

[Ray_T 753]

Was listening to radio today in San Diego and one of the guys was talking about his experience on sunday at camp. Its not the word of god or anything, but he said Gordon looked like the worst player on the field, lethargic, didnt care, sluggish, lazy and just overall not excited. Getting routinely manhandled by the pass rushers in blocking and just didnt look good. Like I said, its not major news but its just a bad sign for a guy who is probably letting the weight of expectations get to him. Plus some guys just lose their motivation when they get that rookie money. I did not have Gordon anywhere on my list and that prob wont change. Gun to my head i would only take him well after Woodhead.

It's not unusual for a vet whose job is safe to not look great early in camp.

 

why would you put in the extra effort and risk injury against scrubs who are unlikely to be on your team come September.

 

If he still looks crappy in late August, or is at risk of losing his spot in the lineup, then post again. that would be something to concern yourself over.

[weepaws 3,191]

I think it's news when you consider how bad he was last season .

[Mike Nice 40]

It's not unusual for a vet whose job is safe to not look great early in camp.

 

why would you put in the extra effort and risk injury against scrubs who are unlikely to be on your team come September.

 

If he still looks crappy in late August, or is at risk of losing his spot in the lineup, then post again. that would be something to concern yourself over.

A vet? This is his second year after having an awful rookie year...

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

It's not unusual for a vet whose job is safe to not look great early in camp.

 

why would you put in the extra effort and risk injury against scrubs who are unlikely to be on your team come September.

 

If he still looks crappy in late August, or is at risk of losing his spot in the lineup, then post again. that would be something to concern yourself over.

You are saying it's ok for a 2nd year player who was horrible his rookie year to slack off due to lack of competition? I don't think that's how it works in football.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

It's not unusual for a vet whose job is safe to not look great early in camp.

 

why would you put in the extra effort and risk injury against scrubs who are unlikely to be on your team come September.

 

If he still looks crappy in late August, or is at risk of losing his spot in the lineup, then post again. that would be something to concern yourself over.

[montana 89]

While I didn't see anything special last year from Gordon, I think a lot of the blame falls on the Oline. They used 12 different linemen, with 24 separate line combinations!!! It's only a 16 week season so that means there were games that they had to change linemen positions MULTIPLE times during a few games. Tough to get anything going & challenge the best Oline in the NFL to do much better. Of course the finished DFL in pretty much every category...not surprising at all.

 

I don't know what to expect from Gordon this year but I saw enough while he played at Wisconsin that I'm not ready to call him a bust just yet.

[weepaws 3,191]

Yeah but I'm going to rank him as a bust .

[montana 89]

Don't get we wrong - I'm not going outta my way to draft him.

[tanatastic 2,062]

It's not unusual for a vet whose job is safe to not look great early in camp.

 

why would you put in the extra effort and risk injury against scrubs who are unlikely to be on your team come September.

 

If he still looks crappy in late August, or is at risk of losing his spot in the lineup, then post again. that would be something to concern yourself over.

Thats what good players do.

[Ray_T 753]

While I didn't see anything special last year from Gordon, I think a lot of the blame falls on the Oline. They used 12 different linemen, with 24 separate line combinations!!! It's only a 16 week season so that means there were games that they had to change linemen positions MULTIPLE times during a few games. Tough to get anything going & challenge the best Oline in the NFL to do much better. Of course the finished DFL in pretty much every category...not surprising at all.

 

I don't know what to expect from Gordon this year but I saw enough while he played at Wisconsin that I'm not ready to call him a bust just yet.

There is that too.

 

I saw a couple of Chargers games, and the center of that line was brutal. I was glad to see them pickup Tuerk in the draft. Hes considered to be a very good pulling center, and is quite athletic.

 

and I dont think he can possibly be worse than the guy they had there last year.

 

This wont solve all their problems, but I can see the line improving at least a bit from last year.

[weepaws 3,191]

I wouldn't think that you would rank him high on your board , nor reach for him .

 

Coming off his horrible first season and now reading this post makes me wonder if he shouldn't already be considered a bust .

[stonewall 647]

I don't know what to expect from Gordon this year but I saw enough while he played at Wisconsin that I'm not ready to call him a bust just yet.

 

This

 

It's all about value, opportunity, and talent. His price is fantastic.

[weepaws 3,191]

I would say it's more about performance .

 

And last season he didn't do so at all .

 

And if the report that was made about him his true , than is value is still to high .

[Ray_T 753]

I wouldn't think that you would rank him high on your board , nor reach for him .

 

Coming off his horrible first season and now reading this post makes me wonder if he shouldn't already be considered a bust .

No. you dont reach for this guy.

 

but he is a guy that you grab if you can get him for a reasonable price. I'm hoping to grab him at my auction on the cheap. As a RB3 he will probably be fine and may even provide RB2 upside for selected matchups. If the line improves (can it get worse?) and he improves as a player, there may be even more upside in him. I agree, a lot of ifs there, but if you grab him late, you arent expecting him to light the world on fire. it's more of a lottery ticket at that point.

 

Hes still in a situation that isnt bad. his largest competition for touches is Woodhead who is on the wrong side of 30 in terms of age.

 

while Woodhead put up some nice numbers last year, but I cant realistically believe those numbers will go any direction other than downwards as he is now another year older.

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

while Woodhead put up some nice numbers last year, but I cant realistically believe those numbers will go any direction other than downwards as he is now another year older.

He has low mileage on his tires, im not too worried about age yet.

[weepaws 3,191]

Depends on your leagues scoring system , but Woodhead to me at this time is a much safer pick .

[stonewall 647]

I would say it's more about performance .

 

 

Performance begins in September.

[R8RMick 242]

There is that too.

 

I saw a couple of Chargers games, and the center of that line was brutal. I was glad to see them pickup Tuerk in the draft. Hes considered to be a very good pulling center, and is quite athletic.

 

and I dont think he can possibly be worse than the guy they had there last year.

 

This wont solve all their problems, but I can see the line improving at least a bit from last year.

Well, I can tell you that line is very adept at holding because it got away with murder the entire second half of the game in Oakland last Christmas. Hoping Khalil Mack's newfound superstar status will buy him a break from the zebra fock-foolery this year.

[weepaws 3,191]

No not true , the coaches are looking for performance right now , and based on the report that the poster posted it doesn't sound like he has improved from his poor performance from last season .

[DrG 103]

Woodhead is 31

3 down opportunity is there for Gordon.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Woodhead is 31

3 down opportunity is there for Gordon.

Deangelo Williams is 33 yet was a top 10 rb last year and the top handcuff/starter this year while Bell is away. Like I said earlier, lower mileage extends rbs effective years. 3 down opportunity is there in the 20s. In the RZ, Woody takes over and doesnt come out.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Woodhead is 31

3 down opportunity is there for Gordon.

Woodhead is not the type of work horse ball carrier that hits the wall at 30. He's probably got a couple more good years, maybe several more.

[Ray_T 753]

Woodhead is not the type of work horse ball carrier that hits the wall at 30. He's probably got a couple more good years, maybe several more.

I agree. he does not have the mileage that some have at his age. Thats for sure.

 

and since hes mostly being used as a pass catching back, that is not as physically demanding as running the ball between the tackles.

 

so he may have another year or two in him.

 

I saw a post saying he was 31. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought he was 32.

 

either way, as a pass catcher, he could still be productive.

[montana 89]

Deangelo Williams is 33 yet was a top 10 rb last year and the top handcuff/starter this year while Bell is away. Like I said earlier, lower mileage extends rbs effective years. 3 down opportunity is there in the 20s. In the RZ, Woody takes over and doesnt come out.

Sometimes (most of the time) it's the system, not the player.

2 separate systems altogether.

 

Heading into last year - what we're your thoughts on DWill? If you were like 99.9% of football fans you were thinking he was basically washed up.

[Maulers1973 117]

How old was Fred Jackson his last year in Buffalo? He was good then, but fell off drastically in Seattle. In fact, I don't think he did anything in Seattle and he has basically had the same utilization as a Danny Woodhead. So, that would give us a good idea for the age drop off/cut off.

[weepaws 3,191]

Yeah but Fred Jackson had a injury filled playing carrier .

 

Seems to be that Woodhead hasn't been as beat up .

[the spanker 28]

Yeah but Fred Jackson had a injury filled playing carrier .

 

Seems to be that Woodhead hasn't been as beat up .

 

Check your stats. How many years (full seasons) has Woody played?

[weepaws 3,191]

Not talking about how long he has played , but how beat up Fred Jackson was going into last season then Woodhead seems to be going into this season was my point .

[Ray_T 753]

How old was Fred Jackson his last year in Buffalo? He was good then, but fell off drastically in Seattle. In fact, I don't think he did anything in Seattle and he has basically had the same utilization as a Danny Woodhead. So, that would give us a good idea for the age drop off/cut off.

The age dropoff thing is different for every player.

 

some guys it happens at 29, most around 30. but some at 31 or 32.

 

but one thing i will say for sure, lots of those guys who last past 30 either were late bloomers with low tread on the tires, or were physically very gifted and looked after their health.

 

and some of the ones who survived past 30 changed their game somewhat. Most of the players who relied on speed, worked out heavily so they'd be a more physical runner. This extended their careers somewhat.

 

not all players can make that kind of adaptation, but some certainly can.

 

but This is why drafting these older players is a bit of a gamble.

[DrG 103]

Last year San Diego gave Gordon a chance to be a 3 down back. He didn't make it happen. SD let Brown walk and invested a high pick in Gordon. Once again, the opportunity will be there for him. I don't know if he will be successful, but he has a high potential ceiling for where he's ranked

[the spanker 28]

Last year San Diego gave Gordon a chance to be a 3 down back. He didn't make it happen. SD let Brown walk and invested a high pick in Gordon. Once again, the opportunity will be there for him. I don't know if he will be successful, but he has a high potential ceiling for where he's ranked

 

I agree. All the offseason moves they have made to get their running game going scream they will give Gordon every opportunity to succeed.

[Kent 228]

I've seen enough of "great" Wisconsin running backs.