yseguy22 8 Posted September 2, 2016 I'm not sure why Jamaal Charles being eased in to begin the season is all that much of a surprise? He is less than 11 months removed from his 2nd ACL tear. The Chiefs signed both Ware and West to long term deals in the off season. What does that tell you? They will use likely use all 3 backs this season. I think you have to temper your expectations for Jamaal Charles just a little bit. He might not be the same workhorse from 4 years ago. This might be more of a RBBC situation than anyone knew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,435 Posted September 2, 2016 I'm not sure why Jamaal Charles being eased in to begin the season is all that much of a surprise? He is less than 11 months removed from his 2nd ACL tear. The Chiefs signed both Ware and West to long term deals in the off season. What does that tell you? They will use likely use all 3 backs this season. I think you have to temper your expectations for Jamaal Charles just a little bit. He might not be the same workhorse from 4 years ago. This might be more of a RBBC situation than anyone knew. Most teams do use 3 or more rbs through the season. Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted September 2, 2016 I'm not sure why Jamaal Charles being eased in to begin the season is all that much of a surprise? He is less than 11 months removed from his 2nd ACL tear. The Chiefs signed both Ware and West to long term deals in the off season. What does that tell you? They will use likely use all 3 backs this season. I think you have to temper your expectations for Jamaal Charles just a little bit. He might not be the same workhorse from 4 years ago. This might be more of a RBBC situation than anyone knew. I knew it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 42 Posted September 2, 2016 Got him off the waiver wire..... Feel pretty lucky right now as I needed a spot fill for L.Bell! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gpann101 32 Posted September 2, 2016 In all seriousness, the more astute owners saw it coming. Sorry..not drinking that Kool-Aid unless it's spiked! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 3, 2016 Sorry..not drinking that Kool-Aid unless it's spiked! There's plenty of stats out there to back up the claim tho. One that I saw was that Ware nearly averaged more yards after contact than West's yards per carry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,063 Posted September 3, 2016 Got him off the waiver wire..... Feel pretty lucky right now as I needed a spot fill for L.Bell! Blessed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 798 Posted September 3, 2016 As a Charles/Ware owner, please don't play week 1 then Charles. Sit him until he's 100% and ready to carry it 20+ times. Honestly, all of this is BS until we get an official injury report, which won't be helpful. Charles will probably be questionable. Teicher will say what he has to say and then Charles will play and get 100+ yards and 2 TD's. San Diego will be game planning for all three backs which is probably the intended purpose of this anyway. I don't think Reid is playing games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gpann101 32 Posted September 3, 2016 If Ware is so special..how come Seattle dropped him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 3, 2016 If Ware is so special..how come Seattle dropped him? Because that was three years ago and he's gotten better...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 4, 2016 Chiefs working out David Cobb, according to Roto. That's only good news for Ware owners. If Charles and Chark were ready to go, you're not bringing in guys for workouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,435 Posted September 4, 2016 If Ware is so special..how come Seattle dropped him? I don't know if this is a serious post or not. Teams do dump talent because it hasn't manifested yet, or it doesn't fit what they are looking for, or they have an overload at that position, or because they genuinely don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 462 Posted September 4, 2016 If Ware is so special..how come Seattle dropped him? Let's remember that Seattle also dropped Girl's Name as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 103 Posted September 4, 2016 Ware could be in for a 20+ touch game week1 if west also is not 100% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted September 4, 2016 Ware could be in for a 20+ touch game week1 if west also is not 100% If West isn't ready next week then Ware will get his 20+ touches and be a legit RB1 overall candidate against a soft SD rush defense. The question now becomes when will Charles be ready? If he hasn't even been hit in practice yet how long does he have to be in contact practices before getting on the game day field and when he comes back how long until his role develops back into a lead back. I'm guessing he is eased in very gently in W3 and W4 before being part of a RBBC losing out on goal line work to Ware after the W5 bye. That makes Charles more of a RB2/Flex than the RB1 people were hoping to get with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrmostlymittens 7 Posted September 4, 2016 In all seriousness, the more astute owners saw it coming. You're very ass-tute. Compare their games from last year and you'll see that playing @Denver and @Oakland had caused Wests YPC to drop in a very understandable way. Against softer competition they fared similarly. The real takeaway is that KC has an embarrassment of riches at RB and if you have a chance to play one in a week where they will be the No. 1 then you should, however due to Ware being a non-factor as a receiver he is probably the least attractive back on the roster and I bet the Chiefs view him this way. He's RB3 on the depth chart for a reason. Roll with him while he starts but this hype train is absurd. Such a small sample size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 4, 2016 You're very ass-tute. Compare their games from last year and you'll see that playing @Denver and @Oakland had caused Wests YPC to drop in a very understandable way. Against softer competition they fared similarly. The real takeaway is that KC has an embarrassment of riches at RB and if you have a chance to play one in a week where they will be the No. 1 then you should, however due to Ware being a non-factor as a receiver he is probably the least attractive back on the roster and I bet the Chiefs view him this way. He's RB3 on the depth chart for a reason. Roll with him while he starts but this hype train is absurd. Such a small sample size. The Chiefs are promoting him to #1 on the chart for week one because they think he's their worst back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrmostlymittens 7 Posted September 4, 2016 The Chiefs are promoting him to #1 on the chart for week one because they think he's their worst back? He's their healthiest body. Edit:Knile Davis is their worst and if you have longterm memory, he's not too shabby in that system either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,435 Posted September 4, 2016 You're very ass-tute. Compare their games from last year and you'll see that playing @Denver and @Oakland had caused Wests YPC to drop in a very understandable way. Against softer competition they fared similarly. The real takeaway is that KC has an embarrassment of riches at RB and if you have a chance to play one in a week where they will be the No. 1 then you should, however due to Ware being a non-factor as a receiver he is probably the least attractive back on the roster and I bet the Chiefs view him this way. He's RB3 on the depth chart for a reason. Roll with him while he starts but this hype train is absurd. Such a small sample size. He is such a non factor in the pass game that he was catching 4 passes a game in the preseason, before the half was even over? Or maybe, if you were actually paying attention, they are testing out Wares pass catching ability. If they are it seems he is passing their test. I am going to assume that he is a pretty solid pass catcher actually. The people who still believe he is a zero in the pass game are part of the reason his value is still as low as it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrmostlymittens 7 Posted September 4, 2016 He is such a non factor in the pass game that he was catching 4 passes a game in the preseason, before the half was even over? Or maybe, if you were actually paying attention, they are testing out Wares pass catching ability. If they are it seems he is passing their test. I am going to assume that he is a pretty solid pass catcher actually. The people who still believe he is a zero in the pass game are part of the reason his value is still as low as it is. Everyone is so defensive, he's on my roster too for the record. They have to throw his way at some point. This is understandable. His value is low because of Charles name brand. I'm just trying to mitigate the absurd hype here and remind every one that a)West can ball b)Implying you're more "astute" than others makes you sound like a twit and c)I'm bored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 4, 2016 Everyone is so defensive, he's on my roster too for the record. They have to throw his way at some point. This is understandable. His value is low because of Charles name brand. I'm just trying to mitigate the absurd hype here and remind every one that a)West can ball b)Implying you're more "astute" than others makes you sound like a twit and c)I'm bored. Why does questioning your reasoning = defensive? Say strange things, you get questioned. Shrug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrmostlymittens 7 Posted September 4, 2016 Why does questioning your reasoning = defensive? Say strange things, you get questioned. Shrug. Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it. "Or maybe, if you were actually paying attention, they are testing out Wares pass catching ability." This is a great example. To me the Ware hype is strange. To each their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 4, 2016 Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it. "Or maybe, if you were actually paying attention, they are testing out Wares pass catching ability." This is a great example. To me the Ware hype is strange. To each their own. Fair enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gpann101 32 Posted September 4, 2016 I don't know if this is a serious post or not. Teams do dump talent because it hasn't manifested yet, or it doesn't fit what they are looking for, or they have an overload at that position, or because they genuinely don't see it. Agreed! So what has Ware done to warrant this much attention? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,435 Posted September 4, 2016 Agreed! So what has Ware done to warrant this much attention? He played great last year when given the chance. He was hurt at the end of the year so people kind of forgot about him. If he was never injured I think his stock would have been much higher going into this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 139 Posted September 4, 2016 I look at Ware how I look at Deangelo... great system, and he should get the majority of the early work... looks like 2 weeks minimum based on what i'm hearing out of KC... after that it is a fantasy crap shoot. Does Jamal come back too soon and go down again?? Who knows?!?! But there are definitely worse plays than throwing away a 8-10Rd pick on a guy that has already produced for the system, is getting the early looks, and will be backup to a guy coming off of major surgery... FTR I avoided Charles altogether and snagged Ware and Chark late... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 4, 2016 I look at Ware how I look at Deangelo... great system, and he should get the majority of the early work... looks like 2 weeks minimum based on what i'm hearing out of KC... after that it is a fantasy crap shoot. Does Jamal come back too soon and go down again?? Who knows?!?! But there are definitely worse plays than throwing away a 8-10Rd pick on a guy that has already produced for the system, is getting the early looks, and will be backup to a guy coming off of major surgery... FTR I avoided Charles altogether and snagged Ware and Chark late... I also think Reid is going to be hesitant to load up Charles for the whole season. Second big knee injury, didn't recover as quickly this time, Ware and Chark running well enough and passing game working enough to not need to push Charles. I think Ware has value all season like he wouldn't have had Charles not been injured last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGiantJets 18 Posted September 4, 2016 Priest, Larry, Jamal, Spencer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 103 Posted September 4, 2016 Looking at KCs offense, at different times in the season, any and all 3 could be 3 down backs. Neither Ware nor West were able to avoid getting dinged up last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gpann101 32 Posted September 4, 2016 Priest, Larry, Jamal, Spencer. Does this mean trends? Up..down..Up..down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 4, 2016 Does this mean trends? Up..down..Up..down? It's like a Zen koan, it means what you bring to it I figured he meant that Ware is to Charles what Larry was to Priest--a less talented back who swoops in when the more talented back is drying up and never looks back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hotgumbo1 12 Posted September 5, 2016 You're very ass-tute. Compare their games from last year and you'll see that playing @Denver and @Oakland had caused Wests YPC to drop in a very understandable way. Against softer competition they fared similarly. The real takeaway is that KC has an embarrassment of riches at RB and if you have a chance to play one in a week where they will be the No. 1 then you should, however due to Ware being a non-factor as a receiver he is probably the least attractive back on the roster and I bet the Chiefs view him this way. He's RB3 on the depth chart for a reason. Roll with him while he starts but this hype train is absurd. Such a small sample size. Do us a favor and insert your other foot in your mouth. Your ass-essment is so off base. Non factor in the pass game? #3 of the depth chart? Clearly you have Ware mistaken for someone else. Geez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGiantJets 18 Posted September 5, 2016 It's like a Zen koan, it means what you bring to it I figured he meant that Ware is to Charles what Larry was to Priest--a less talented back who swoops in when the more talented back is drying up and never looks back. Ware could have a season like the previous Holmes, Johnson and Charles. Track record trends on KC running game. Just saying if Jamal is hindered further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 5, 2016 Ware could have a season like the previous Holmes, Johnson and Charles. Track record trends on KC running game. Just saying if Jamal is hindered further. To be clear, I wasn't saying Ware wasn't talented when I said he was less talented. Just 'less' than Charles But yeah, I agree. If Charles is worse than people think, Ware could be the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 5, 2016 He played great last year when given the chance. He was hurt at the end of the year so people kind of forgot about him. If he was never injured I think his stock would have been much higher going into this year. people obviously only remember what they want Ware was the better back last year. West got the chance first and did well. Got banged up. Ware came in and did even better. Once West was healthy, Ware remained the RB the Chiefs relied on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 462 Posted September 5, 2016 There's a trade I may have to pull off. I have Ware, but I've also rostered CJ Anderson, Hill, Mathews, Yeldon, Blount, DeAndre Washington and McKinnon. I've just been offered Tom Brady and Jamal Charles for CJ Anderson. My QB is Rivers. He's my only QB. To have Charles and Ware - along with acquiring Brady - may be just too juicy to worry about losing CJ Anderson (who I think has a bounce back year, but not such a clearly better year than the combo of Charles and Ware IMO). Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 5, 2016 There's a trade I may have to pull off. I have Ware, but I've also rostered CJ Anderson, Hill, Mathews, Yeldon, Blount, DeAndre Washington and McKinnon. I've just been offered Tom Brady and Jamal Charles for CJ Anderson. My QB is Rivers. He's my only QB. To have Charles and Ware - along with acquiring Brady - may be just too juicy to worry about losing CJ Anderson (who I think has a bounce back year, but not such a clearly better year than the combo of Charles and Ware IMO). Thoughts? In a heartbeat. But I'm not high on CJ. But still, in a heartbeat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,427 Posted September 5, 2016 I don't like it . I would keep Rivers and not chase Charles . I know he could be a stud but I'm not sold he will be on the field as the every down starter he once was . You have Ware and I think he will be playing a lot even when Charles takes the field again this season. Anderson isn't a great player , but I do think he will be the focus for awhile at least. Anyway that's how I see it. M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 462 Posted September 5, 2016 I don't have to give up Rivers; I just pick up Brady and Jamal and give up CJ + someone else (I have to choose between Washington or McKinnon I think). My roster: Rivers CJ Hill Mathews Yeldon Blount Ware Washington McKinnon ODB Marshall Marvin Jones Gordon Shepard Barnidge Chiefs Santos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 103 Posted September 5, 2016 IM historically most of my trades for the injured higher upside player haven't worked due to the player not healing. That said the historical uncertainty that is CJ Anderson and the ability to control the KC backfield is tempting 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
