Jon Benet Ramsey

[MDC 7,423]

You know waaaaay too much about this.

Are you saying Cruzer did it?

[shotsup 832]

Are you saying Cruzer did it?

There it's official. Cruzer killed Ramsey

[Gepetto 1,368]

Tell you another thing fishy about the ransom note... Isn't the entire point of a said ransom note to draw attention away from the house, to point it at an outsider? Isn't a ransom note going to get the police looking at any and all possible (outside) suspects? If you're goal all along was to break into a house and kill a small girl - why would you want people looking for you? Why would you invite suspicion? Are you wanting to get caught? Wouldn't you welcome the authorities looking at the family, wouldn't you want the cops as far away from you as possible? .... Again, you've already gotten away with it and left the house - why not disappear into the night, with as little trace tying you to the scene as possible, like 99% of all other killers?

Maybe the plan was to collect the $118,000.

 

Maybe the killer wanted to kill her but have Jon Ramsey first think it was a kidnapping and then a murder to inflct more emotional pain.

 

Maybe the killer is arrogant and wrote the ransom note because his motives were important to him, but still thought he'd get away with it.

 

I suggest reading those links I posted, it's the most interesting explanation including naming the possible killer and possibly even communicating with the killer online.

[GobbleDog 996]

Has anyone considered the suicide theory? The little twat hated beauty pageants, so she offed herself to set-up the parents as revenge. It's so obvious, it has to be true.

[Drizzay 720]

The Killing Season is a great show about serial killers. I think it was on A&E. The are coming out with season 2 in January. WELL worth the watch.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Maybe the plan was to collect the $118,000.

Maybe the killer wanted to kill her but have Jon Ramsey first think it was a kidnapping and then a murder to inflct more emotional pain.

Maybe the killer is arrogant and wrote the ransom note because his motives were important to him, but still thought he'd get away with it?

And maybe a Martian landed from Mars and wrote the 3 pager bcoz he neede a 500 word essay for his Outer Space mid-term final.

 

C'mon man, you're reaching almost to the point of absurdity with this... Risked being caught, took the time to compose a novel, pulled $118k out of his ass, killed her anyway to inflict even more pain and create a diversion? You can't possibly believe this stuff.

[frank 2,306]

Are you saying Cruzer did it?

Yes, that was the joke. Hilarious, right?

[MDC 7,423]

Yes, that was the joke. Hilarious, right?

Yes that was good.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Has anyone considered the suicide theory? The little twat hated beauty pageants, so she offed herself to set-up the parents as revenge. It's so obvious, it has to be true.

 

No, that had not occurred to us.

[Gepetto 1,368]

And maybe a Martian landed from Mars and wrote the 3 pager bcoz he neede a 500 word essay for his Outer Space mid-term final.

 

C'mon man, you're reaching almost to the point of absurdity with this... Risked being caught, took the time to compose a novel, pulled $118k out of his ass, killed her anyway to inflict even more pain and create a diversion? You can't possibly believe this stuff.

 

Not sure what you're getting at. I didn't say $118,000 was pulled out of his ass, I said it was possible that $118,000 was chosen and just a coincidence that John Ramsey's bonus was $118k something. I don't consider that likely though. Do you have a belief as to what happened? Because I can find no proof that any Ramsey was involved in the death of JonBenet so if you have some type of reasoning that indicates any of the Ramsey family were involved please say what you think and provide the details as to why you draw whatever conclusion you think is likely.

 

I mean as far as the ransom note, I don't see any reason why an intruder did not write it. What does the length have to do with it. Each sentence in the ransom note was written by whoever for their own reason, I don't have all of the answers to that.

 

You didn't read the link I posted that explains someone's theory who went through the ransom note line by line and made some very interesting observations, did you?

[kutulu 1,676]

Good grief, I just read that John Ramsey dated Beth Holloway after Patsy died. Beth is the mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in Aruba.

so

[Gepetto 1,368]

Theory on Jon Benet Ramsey murder in interpretation of the ransom note in part 1.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682449/Analysis%20of%20undrtheradar

...and in possibly finding out the killer being on the forums about JonBenet's death and inadvertently revealing himself in part 2.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682523/undrtheradar%20Part%202

 

These 2 parts go hand in hand and should be read in the order: part 1 and then part 2.

 

This to me is the best theory that explains the ransom note and the motive and even identifies the killer.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

[Cruzer 1,995]

Not sure what you're getting at....I said it was possible that $118,000 was chosen and just a coincidence that John Ramsey's bonus was $118k something.

What I'm getting at - is that you're not seeing the forest for the trees.... Links, theories, you name it - it's all worthless as long as you continue to buy into the ridiculous notion "it was possible that $118k was chosen and just a coincidence." No, not it's not a coincidence and no, it's not possible. Nobody just randomly pulls that figure put of thin air - they just don't.

 

Like I said - the ransom note is the giant red flag that ties the family to the crime. It's staring everyone in the face - not sure why some can't see it.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Then it was someone who knew $118,000 was about John's bonus. Now do you want to discuss the crime, if not /thead.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Then it was someone who knew $118,000 was about John's bonus. Now do you want to discuss the crime, if not /thead.

You don't have enuff in the tank to end a thread so stop, it's embarrassing.

 

Go back to your boogie man fantasy, you're a better fit there.

[OldMaid 2,130]

+1 for Burke killed her. That kid is messed up.

 

He had already hit her in the head before with a golf club.

 

He used to smear feces on her bed and around her room.

 

He was the one who liked pineapple in milk.

 

The random dna in her panties is a red herring. They tested several packages of new panties and found dna on all of them. Most likely from manufacturing.

 

The ransom note was ridiculous.

 

Cobwebs in the broken basement window suggest that no one actually entered from there.

 

There may be more...

[WhiteWonder 2,735]

Never followed this one. What would be the motive for the parents/brother?

Without reading the rest of the thread to see any replies you already got...

 

Brother is a psychopath and was jealous of the sister. Killed her a day after xmas and the parents covered it up

[Gepetto 1,368]

The brother was interviewed before being told she was dead. The investigator who interviewed him just recently publicly said he believes the brother wasn't hiding anything, and he believes the brother didn't know that JonBenet was even dead during the interview.

 

The brother was also interviewed by child psychologists to determine if he should be removed from the home and that didn't reveal any psychosis.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Hitting her in the head with a golf club was because she walked behind him during his swing. Patsy took her to the hospital.

The cobweb was from the middle window, not the window that was half open, had a suitcase below it, and a mark on the wall.

The grate needed to be lifted to get into the area with the window and there is pictures and video after the crime showing green foliage under the grate making it seem it had been lifted. Regardless, other windows were part open to allow electrical cords through to light Christmas lights. And doors were not all locked. Or an intruder had a key.

DNA from an unknown white male was found on BOTH the panties and the longjohns.
If dna was from manufacturing it could not be from a person on two articles of clothing manufactured in different places. Also, dna during the manufacturing process would be from an Asian woman, not a white male.

[Gepetto 1,368]

You don't have enuff in the tank to end a thread so stop, it's embarrassing.

 

Go back to your boogie man fantasy, you're a better fit there.

I'm open to any possibility if you can explain what happened please do so.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Like I said - the ransom note is the giant red flag that ties the family to the crime. It's staring everyone in the face - not sure why some can't see it.

Why would the parents choose a ransom amount that had meaning to them? That could incriminate them. If they really wanted to cast doubt from themselves why would they not break into a door from the outside and make it look like forced entry?

 

Her handwriting was determined by experts to be not likely the same as the ransom note or inconclusive, or possible by one handwriting person whose credentials were not up to a professional level.

 

Jon Ramsey and Patsy Ramsey both passed polygraph tests indicating that neither of them killed their daughter or knew who did. Patsy also passed polygraph questions asking if she wrote the ransom note.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Why would the parents choose a ransom amount that had meaning to them?

For the same logical reasons a rogue killer would bother to take the time to hand write out a 3 page ransom note - only to kill her anyway... The Ramsey's panicked, went full ape shiit after finding out what happened. They just lost their daughter, no way they were going to lose their son too.... And speaking of cooperation, who has a child killed, in their home, refuses to give a statement to the police, lawyers up and hires a publicist? A guilty parent that's who.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Ramsey's gave several interviews with police on Dec. 26th 1996, John on Dec. 27th, and the police were with them from after the call until Dec. 29th. They provided hair and blood samples early on too.

 

Why was the roll that the duct tape came from never found? And same for the rope that was used on her? Weapons the killer used and uses.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Ramsey's gave several interviews with police on Dec. 26th 1996, John on Dec. 27th, and the police were with them from after the call until Dec. 29th. They provided hair and blood samples early on too.

The Ramsey's refused to give official statements to the Boulder PD... They did not agree to give them unti April 30th, 4 months after her murder.. That is utterly mind boggling... If that's my child, I'm down there every day, giving statements out the rear until they run out of paper.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

The Ramsey's refused to give official statements to the Boulder PD... They did not agree to give them unti April 30th, 4 months after her murder.. That is utterly mind boggling... If that's my child, I'm down there every day, giving statements out the rear until they run out of paper.

Yup

[Gepetto 1,368]

That's far different from tightly wrapping a cord around their daughter. Neighbor heard a horrible scream from a child that night between midnight and 2 am that lasted from 2 - 5 seconds. You're saying the parents murdered her. Why would they do that?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

That's far different from tightly wrapping a cord around their daughter. Neighbor heard a horrible scream from a child that night between midnight and 2 am that lasted from 2 - 5 seconds. You're saying the parents murdered her. Why would they do that?

Im with Cruz. No statement is a sign of someone lawyering up. People with something to hide lawyer up. They may not have done it, but they know something and didn't want it to come out.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Examples of false statements from police to make it look like an intruder could not have done this crime:

 

 

07-09-1998 A&E Documentary - 'Who Killed JonBenet’ By Michael Tracy and David Mills

Man: "What is the basis for these claims. Take the snow cover that night. News video's shot on the night of the 26th shows large areas around the house had no snow at all. The lack of footprints was an irrelevancy as some journalist knew at the time."

Julie Hayden: "We looked at the video tape, once the relevancy of the footprints in the snow became an issue and one of the things I observed was, there did not seem to be snow going up to all of the doors. So in my opinion, this footprints in the snow issue, has all been much ado about nothing. It seemed clear to me that people could have got into the house, whether they did or not, without traipsing through the snow."

Man: "Nevertheless the story stuck. Even more doubtful was the claim of no forced entry. An intruder would not have had to break in. Police noted on the 26th a number of open windows and at least one open door – A story that courteously took a year to leak out. And beneath this lift up grill, there was a basement window known to have been broken sometime before Christmas Interview of Charlie Brennen: Would it be reasonable to assume that the information about 'no forced entry' was false that was being leaked by the authorities"

Charlie Brennen: False, false, wrong, misstated, mistaken, yes - that would be fair to say. Particularly in light of where you can start at least from the broken window in the basement. In Jan. 97, Feb. 97, March 97, we didn't know about the broken window in the basement.

 

 

 

Seems early on the Ramsey's had strong reasons not to trust the Boulder Police.

[Fireballer 2,642]

WTF is wrong with you all? Dont you remember shes still alive and now named Katy Perry?

 

https://youtu.be/0N7P3woPl5M

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Im with Cruz. No statement is a sign of someone lawyering up. People with something to hide lawyer up. They may not have done it, but they know something and didn't want it to come out.

This is just wrong.

 

Lawyering up is a smart move (regardless of guilt) and these people had the means to do it.

 

The cops wanted to pin this on the parents from the start. Probably with good reason. But under that scenario you're definitely smart to lawyer up even if you didn't do sh1t

[Cruzer 1,995]

This is just wrong.

Lawyering up is a smart move (regardless of guilt) and these people had the means to do it.

The cops wanted to pin this on the parents from the start. Probably with good reason. But under that scenario you're definitely smart to lawyer up even if you didn't do sh1t

Wouldn't you want to not just give an immediate statement to the authorities, but give it as soon as possible so that they could eliminate you and start searching for the "real killers"?

 

I didn't even lose a child but the police wanted to talk to me right away after my friend was murdered (I found him). You can bet your ass I was down there within 2 days to give my statement - not 4 months.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Wouldn't you want to not just give an immediate statement to the authorities, but give it as soon as possible so that they could eliminate you and start searching for the "real killers"?

 

I didn't even lose a child but the police wanted to talk to me right away after my friend was murdered (I found him). You can bet your ass I was down there within 2 days to give my statement - not 4 months.

Yeah as a parent I would.

 

Immediate statement and then when it looks like the police are focusing on you anyway then I'd lawyer up.

 

But by then they've potentially taken and twisted whatever you said initially, so that's the risk.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Yeah as a parent I would.

Immediate statement and then when it looks like the police are focusing on you anyway then I'd lawyer up.

But by then they've potentially taken and twisted whatever you said initially, so that's the risk.

I think it's a telling testament that immediately following the savage murder of their 6 year old child - the parents are immediately more concerned with having their statement twisted and turned around than actually working with the police to find out who was in their house and who killed their child... Like I said, if that's my child - they don't have to worry about finding me, I'm up their ass and hounding them 24/7.

[MDC 7,423]

I think it's really freaking obvious that the parents either killed the kid or know who did. There are just too many details that don't add up.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I think it's really freaking obvious that the parents either killed the kid or know who did. There are just too many details that don't add up.

Little things I notice and question.

 

Like:

 

Why do you think the killer took the time to close the basement window behind him? That strikes me as odd.. I mean seriously, this "killer" seems to have taken painstaking measures to try and leave trace evidence behind.

 

Why do you think the "killer" left the ransom note on the stairwell? You've already killed her - wouldn't you want her to be discovered as late as possible, to give you time to get as far away from this crime as possible? Why start the search and clock early?

 

Why do you think the "killer" covered up her body with a blanket? That's an awfully personal thing to do.

[MDC 7,423]

Little things I notice and question.

 

Like:

 

Why do you think the killer took the time to close the basement window behind him? That strikes me as odd.. I mean seriously, this "killer" seems to have taken painstaking measures to try and leave trace evidence behind.

 

Why do you think the "killer" left the ransom note on the stairwell? You've already killed her - wouldn't you want her to be discovered as late as possible, to give you time to get as far away from this crime as possible? Why start the search and clock early?

 

Why do you think the "killer" covered up her body with a blanket? That's an awfully personal thing to do.

The really damning thing for me is the note: No actual kidnapper would write the ransom note in the house with the father's stationary, presumably after murdering the child. To me that detail just reeks of an accidental murder followed by a sloppy cover up. It is amazing the parents got away with it.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I just struggle with motive.

 

The nine year old brother was questioned pretty much immediately and the cops didn't think he was involved. What kind of nine year old can pull off a cover up like that? So unless the kid's a psychopathic genius then I'm having a real hard time with the idea that he killed her, purposefully or not. Although I will say him being jealous of her and bashing in her head not really appreciating the consequences may be the most likely scenario. But then what's with the strangulation? This psycho nine year old did both? Asphyxiation was cause of death so if it was done after the fact as a cover up you'd think the g0ddamn M.E. could figure that out.

 

Then as far as the parents, I've heard nothing on motive. I remember way back when this happened maybe the dad was abusing her and this was done to cover up the crime. But there's apparently been no indication of that. Doesn't seem to be any motive from mom either.

 

[Gepetto 1,368]

The really damning thing for me is the note: No actual kidnapper would write the ransom note in the house with the father's stationary, presumably after murdering the child. To me that detail just reeks of an accidental murder followed by a sloppy cover up. It is amazing the parents got away with it.

 

What amazes me is that note is the most obvious evidence indicating it was an intruder yet people want to say it was fabricated by the parents. The people that think that parents were involved, don't seem to explain why a rope with a garrote was used to very tightly wrap the girls neck and there was fragments of wood from the paintbrush in her privates too. How does that make things better for the parents? The cover up is even worse than the crime. Be better just to call for an ambulance and see it was an accident or son was upset but didn't mean to hurt her, but that's not what happened.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

This is just wrong.

 

Lawyering up is a smart move (regardless of guilt) and these people had the means to do it.

 

The cops wanted to pin this on the parents from the start. Probably with good reason. But under that scenario you're definitely smart to lawyer up even if you didn't do sh1t

For most crimes, sure you lawyer up. Mistress turns up dead? Lawyer up. Kill someone with your car? Lawyer up. Your child is brutally murdered in your home? No, you answer every question they can throw at you and you tell the truth.