Kirk Cousins, I'm sorry.

[jimaveli 119]

Kirko deserves to be paid. I'm still confident that he's gonna have a 3 pick game or two at some point but he's playing well...much better than I thought he would this late into the year. And he's almost a lock to hit one deep shot a game. In general, he's hitting people in the hands and making things happen.

[TennisMenace 156]

I agree, he is playing well, but I also want to add, the Cowboys secondary is weak due to injuries and they have no pass rush which stresses them even more. And, they rarely blitz which means he has time to throw most of the time.

 

So, why he had great numbers, I can't be THAT impressed until I see it done against top notch defenses, not this one or not the Packers.

[cousinal111 57]

I agree, he is playing well, but I also want to add, the Cowboys secondary is weak due to injuries and they have no pass rush which stresses them even more. And, they rarely blitz which means he has time to throw most of the time.

 

So, why he had great numbers, I can't be THAT impressed until I see it done against top notch defenses, not this one or not the Packers.

He was awesome to finish last year. The Skins just had a slow start this season. They have one of the best offenses in the league and he's the centerpiece of it.

[weepaws 3,193]

I'm impressed with his body of work.

 

They do need to keep him.

 

He's the key to their offense, and for their success

[Oriole8159 86]

I'm still not convinced that he's a championship caliber QB, but considering guys like Alex Smith, Dalton and Tannehill have gotten paid for less, it's hard to justify now not paying Cousins.

[SMath3333 10]

I like that !!! (.... somebody had to say it)

[jimaveli 119]

Exactly. He could go into a meeting room with video packages of Brock, Tanny and Alex and their contract terms followed by his own videos and come out super rich.

 

I don't know if Kirko is winning a super bowl but that doesn't make him special. He's at least midrange with how he's playing now. If they had a better defense, they'd be even more 'in the hunt'.

[thePRO 78]

Seeing Rodgers struggle throwing in the wind and then seeing Cousins launch (not one, but two) deep passes in the air for huge gains and TDs was pretty awesome. I was impressed.

[TennisMenace 156]

As for paying him, I agree, he should be paid because very good to great qbs are hard to come by. I was classify him as very good, not great yet.

 

He does have a lot of toys to play with and a very good OL which always helps. This Crowder kid really adds a dimension to an already good WR and TE core.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

He's getting paid. Osweiler got 72 million. OSWEILER!!!!!

 

Kirk looks pretty accurate to me. Throwing deep regularly......hitting guys in stride.

 

Decent QB but he's no Peyton Manning.....

 

 

He's a tool. Must have been hurting for cash to make such an idiot of himself. $10.00 Kitten checks.

[cmh6476 1,025]

I drafted him, dropped him for Matt ryan and just a couple weeks ago picked cousins back up. Now I have them both

[Oriole8159 86]

I drafted him, dropped him for Matt ryan and just a couple weeks ago picked cousins back up. Now I have them both

Did you draft him as your only QB though? He was still like #15 or something going into drafts, so it's pretty aggressive still if was drafted as your QB1.

 

He went last round in our draft I remember.

[stonewall 647]

I was all over Cousins at hiss pricetag this year, thankfully. I ran a thread on him before the season, and there are some pretty hilarious and seriously flawed takes on him.....knowing what we know now.

 

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=455928&hl=captain+kirk

[Oriole8159 86]

I was all over Cousins at hiss pricetag this year, thankfully. I ran a thread on him before the season, and there are some pretty hilarious and seriously flawed takes on him.....knowing what we know now.

 

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=455928&hl=captain+kirk

 

But to draft as your QB1 (or as only QB)? I can understand liking the guy and think he's underrated, but 2 years ago people were saying the same thing about Tannehill and many a fantasy team imploded because of that.

[jimaveli 119]

I was terrified of Kirk's implosion games and his strong desire to throw interceptable passes even in his good games. Anyone who rostered him before this year can speak on it. I specifically remember a game vs the Giants where he was so bad he tanked fantasy players on both teams.

 

But he's gotten better and the team put even more weapons around him. And they officially got rid of RG Knee. AND again...he's looking like a king of deep shots without having to chuck the whole game to do it.

 

And, in what looks to be an expensive risk, Washington hit him with the 1-year/no deal. Kirk had to see that as a callout.

 

I didn't see him playing this well this often. I really didn't.

[polecatt 478]

I said before the season that they should sign him to a multi year deal.

I don't know that he will ever be the best QB in the NFL but he will probably make a couple of Pro Bowls or so.

With the right team around him, he's capable of leading a contender.

He's what they have and he seems to make them a good team, certainly better than they have had in the past 25 years or so.

You don't just get rid of a QB because they aren't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

Guys like Cousins don't grow on trees either. When you get one it's in the team's best interest to try and keep him.

[Oriole8159 86]

I said before the season that they should sign him to a multi year deal.

I don't know that he will ever be the best QB in the NFL but he will probably make a couple of Pro Bowls or so.

With the right team around him, he's capable of leading a contender.

He's what they have and he seems to make them a good team, certainly better than they have had in the past 25 years or so.

You don't just get rid of a QB because they aren't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

Guys like Cousins don't grow on trees either. When you get one it's in the team's best interest to try and keep him.

 

I didn't mind the approach. Getting stuck in a long term contract for an average QB is crippling to the cap, and Cousins really only turned it on the 2nd half of last year (against some bad teams too??) after being sub average for the majority of his first 3 years. After seeing teams like Cinci with Dalton, SF with Kaepernick, Chi with Cutler, and Miami with Tannehill get burned with these long term deals, I think the case was strong for taking precaution...even if it meant paying extra on the back end.

[polecatt 478]

 

I didn't mind the approach. Getting stuck in a long term contract for an average QB is crippling to the cap, and Cousins really only turned it on the 2nd half of last year (against some bad teams too??) after being sub average for the majority of his first 3 years. After seeing teams like Cinci with Dalton, SF with Kaepernick, Chi with Cutler, and Miami with Tannehill get burned with these long term deals, I think the case was strong for taking precaution...even if it meant paying extra on the back end.

I think how they have handled it is fine as long as they can keep him. I see Cousins as being a better QB than a lot of people do apparently.

He's certainly a notch above the QBs you mentioned IMO. My thing is just that you don't want to screw around and then end up having him leave.

Then you are stuck with journeymen QBs again for the next decade.

[Oriole8159 86]

I think how they have handled it is fine as long as they can keep him. I see Cousins as being a better QB than a lot of people do apparently.

He's certainly a notch above the QBs you mentioned IMO. My thing is just that you don't want to screw around and then end up having him leave.

Then you are stuck with journeymen QBs again for the next decade.

agree, but considering how rare QBs actually leave their original teams based on how FA system is setup, I think they had to know the leverage they had was strong enough to justify the move.

They could franchise him again (unless they agreed not to already) this year if he flat out says he's not going to re-sign, and make him play. I doubt Cousins would sit out considering he's already 28 and this year is the only year he's actually made money; he can't afford to sit out a whole year at his age. Plus, even if Cousins flat out says he won't sign, they can still leverage the franchise tag to do a sign and trade and at least get some assets back. Teams may not be willing to give up two firsts like the tag mandates, but the two teams could agree to reduced compensation like in the Jared Allen trade, where KC allowed Allen to find a suitor and then they agreed to a first rd pick and 2 thirds as a reduced trade.

[polecatt 478]

agree, but considering how rare QBs actually leave their original teams based on how FA system is setup, I think they had to know the leverage they had was strong enough to justify the move.

They could franchise him again (unless they agreed not to already) this year if he flat out says he's not going to re-sign, and make him play. I doubt Cousins would sit out considering he's already 28 and this year is the only year he's actually made money; he can't afford to sit out a whole year at his age. Plus, even if Cousins flat out says he won't sign, they can still leverage the franchise tag to do a sign and trade and at least get some assets back. Teams may not be willing to give up two firsts like the tag mandates, but the two teams could agree to reduced compensation like in the Jared Allen trade, where KC allowed Allen to find a suitor and then they agreed to a first rd pick and 2 thirds as a reduced trade.

Yeah but that would be a terrible situation to deal with. It would leave the team looking back and saying, " we should have just signed him in the first place."

That said I think it works out just fine for both parties and won't come to that.

[Oriole8159 86]

Yeah but that would be a terrible situation to deal with. It would leave the team looking back and saying, " we should have just signed him in the first place."

That said I think it works out just fine for both parties and won't come to that.

true, but that's business also. sometimes decisions don't work out, but that doesn't mean added due diligence up front doesn't have its merit.

but I also agree that I don't think that will happen either. I'm sure there has always been some mutual respect between the two parties and an interest in making this work long term. I'm sure if Wash feared that they were actually going to lose him that they would have invested in the position in the draft, considering it was a good year for mid round developmental prospects. They only spent a 6th on Nate Sudfeld though, so they clearly didn't see long term QB as a position of need.

[handbanana 47]

I agree, he is playing well, but I also want to add, the Cowboys secondary is weak due to injuries and they have no pass rush which stresses them even more. And, they rarely blitz which means he has time to throw most of the time.

 

So, why he had great numbers, I can't be THAT impressed until I see it done against top notch defenses, not this one or not the Packers.

What QB looks good against top-notch defenses? Cousins is good, makes the right decisions most time, throws a great deep ball. And is a fellow Sparty

 

You like that!?!?

[jimaveli 119]

I'm guessing the relationship between Kirk and the team is good. It was likely a delicate conversation to not give him a full deal but they got it done, he's making lots of money this year, he's playing well, and they're likely going to have to fork over some dough next spring to keep him/keep him happy.

 

He'll lose a couple weapons as a result but I expect the skins to be okay if they can get their young guys on track enough to deal with the loss of the butler and/or djax. The Butler is an above average run blocker and a 'tough yards' guy. And djax is a vintage deep threat who keeps safeties away from other targets. And just when you go to sleep on him cuz he's been hurt, there he is catching a 30+ yarder every couple weeks (when he's active). It should be interesting if they can keep the oline play up. Heaven forbid they get a dynamic rb.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I was critical of Cousins too.. But he's had 2 seasons now of really solid play. Given the landscape of what's out there and lack of pure quality quarterbacks, I'd give him a 3 year deal, with an option for 4.

[cmh6476 1,025]

Did you draft him as your only QB though? He was still like #15 or something going into drafts, so it's pretty aggressive still if was drafted as your QB1.

 

He went last round in our draft I remember.

12 man league with only 13 roster spots, so yes

[jgcrawfish 232]

Cousins was on my list of late guys to draft along with Tyrod Taylor, Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, but to be honest I had him lower than those guys. I had him targeted in 3 leagues and a work buddy who I discuss ff stuff with snaked him in 2 of them. In our main work league I drafted him and considered dropping him until talked out of it a bit by the guys here on the bored. Hard to believe that now I'm having to decide whether to use him or Aaron Rodgers weekly. Cousins is headed for huge money.

[Runningriot1966 6]

Since when is 23 million not getting paid, damn!

[Oriole8159 86]

Since when is 23 million not getting paid, damn!

 

since Ryan Tannehill got $45 million guaranteed

since Jay Cutler got $54 million guaranteed

[sirensong 111]

he's pretty good going downfield, but high yardage output compared to lower points output is a definite efficiency issue. would be more comfortable if he was less boom or bust. i mean, you have to pay the guy--about 20 teams in the league would love to have him--but i don't know if he's the foundation you really want for a team.

[cousinal111 57]

 

since Ryan Tannehill got $45 million guaranteed

since Jay Cutler got $54 million guaranteed

What'd Brock Oz get?

[Oriole8159 86]

What'd Brock Oz get?

 

should be on that list too.

[SMath3333 10]

Can Captain Kirk Continue to stay hot Week 13 versus Arizona ?

[stonewall 647]

Can Captain Kirk Continue to stay hot Week 13 versus Arizona ?

 

Doubtful, for 2 reasons:

 

1. Reed is doubtful

2. I need Cousins to seal a playoff berth.

[handbanana 47]

It's tough sledding at Arizona

[TennisMenace 156]

It's tough sledding at Arizona

Arizona lately has been getting gouged. Captain Kirk will dismantle those boys like carving out a turkey.

[Kent 228]

I don't expect greatness against AZ. If he goes off this week he's gonna make all the money.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I don't expect greatness against AZ. If he goes off this week he's gonna make all the money.

What are the Skins alternatives if they don't' resign him? ..... If the season ended today, they'd be drafting around 22nd - want to risk starting a rookie too? I do know they will have some cap room - so signing one is an option, but who? ..... Don't laugh, but Romo might just be available.

[Kent 228]

What are the Skins alternatives if they don't' resign him? ..... If the season ended today, they'd be drafting around 22nd - want to risk starting a rookie too? I do know they will have some cap room - so signing one is an option, but who? ..... Don't laugh, but Romo might just be available.

We can franchise him one more time. It's unlikely since he's gonna get the deal.

[stonewall 647]

What are the Skins alternatives if they don't' resign him? ..... If the season ended today, they'd be drafting around 22nd - want to risk starting a rookie too? I do know they will have some cap room - so signing one is an option, but who? ..... Don't laugh, but Romo might just be available.

 

Bring back RG3.....

[Oriole8159 86]

We can franchise him one more time. It's unlikely since he's gonna get the deal.

 

Right, and they also could have drafted somebody this year if they were really worried that he wouldn't re-sign. There was a lot of good mid round developmental options this year that they passed on, only taking Nate Sudfeld in the 6th. I'd hardly say there's expectations that far back though.