Obummer sanctions Russia

[MDC 7,496]

Like we don't have people in our intel workforce trying to "hack" Russia 24/7

Sounds like a little moral equivalency there mixed in with a hatred of American exceptionalism. Perhaps you should move to Russia, comrade.

[Baker Boy 1,703]

I guess the Obama/Clinton Russian Reset didn't work.

 

Who would have known?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I guess the Obama/Clinton Russian Reset didn't work.

 

Who would have known?

Blame everything on Obama and Clinton as usual showing your lack of understanding in every topic

 

This is not to say Obama did everything right with Russia.

He pulled back what W was doing (actually similar to W in that he tried being nice with Russia first and then realized what a jackass Putin was...W went with middles in Poland...Obama moved that back. Obama going with these sanctions and diplomatic response...Trump appears willing to roll that back) Question is how long does it take Trump to realize what Russia and Putin are?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Shonuff lost this thread.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

No..,on our end we investigate rather than what many appear to want which is to just make it all go away

I meant "our end" as in people like you and me.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Sounds like a little moral equivalency there mixed in with a hatred of American exceptionalism. Perhaps you should move to Russia, comrade.

Too cold

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Ethnic cleansing= poor race relations. Ok

There are a number of Indian tribes that would argue the point, you know, if they still existed and all.

[cyclone24 1,914]

Blame everything on Obama and Clinton as usual showing your lack of understanding in every topic

This is not to say Obama did everything right with Russia.

He pulled back what W was doing (actually similar to W in that he tried being nice with Russia first and then realized what a jackass Putin was...W went with middles in Poland...Obama moved that back. Obama going with these sanctions and diplomatic response...Trump appears willing to roll that back) Question is how long does it take Trump to realize what Russia and Putin are?

 

If you guys were so worried about Russia....why sell them 20% of the worlds uranium to them?, which also aided a Clinton foundation donor btw.

 

There's a major consistency that the left is only NOW concerned since they got buttfocked.

Uranium...no

Crimea...no

Ukraine...no

Cyber hacks...no

Russian reset...no

 

 

They found our undenied emails showing who we really were!!!!!!! Aarrrgggggggg......tilt!!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

There are a number of Indian tribes that would argue the point, you know, if they still existed and all.

You should take the bulk of that up with England and Spain.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

If we bombed the fock out of Moscow first, then yea...They would be in the right.

So Japan can do that today and you're good with it?

 

Here's a tip: stay away from the Blame America First stuff. It wasn't a good look for liberals and it's already a terrible look for conservatives.

[gocolts 300]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/edward-snowden-leak-russian-election-hacking_us_5865cec6e4b0eb586488e782

Any hacker who has the skills to hack stuff like the government would also be able to hide their tracks, like faking their location.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

So Japan can do that today and you're good with it?

 

Here's a tip: stay away from the Blame America First stuff. It wasn't a good look for liberals and it's already a terrible look for conservatives.

Did we start a war with Japan recently?

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Any hacker who has the skills to hack stuff like the government would also be able to hide their tracks, like faking their location.

Or putting in a location that would purposely lead one astray

[cyclone24 1,914]

Or putting in a location that would purposely lead one astray

Exactly. Ill trust Assange who has a 100% accuracy rate who said it wasnt russians over our whack job gubment.

If youre that good..you can make it look like anybody.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If you guys were so worried about Russia....why sell them 20% of the worlds uranium to them?, which also aided a Clinton foundation donor btw.

 

There's a major consistency that the left is only NOW concerned since they got buttfocked.

Uranium...no

Crimea...no

Ukraine...no

Cyber hacks...no

Russian reset...no

 

 

They found our undenied emails showing who we really were!!!!!!! Aarrrgggggggg......tilt!!

Yes...you are certainly in tilt.

Those things all added up. The uranium thing is such overblown BSby the right and no...there is zero evidence that it benefited Clinton Foundaion since she couldn't approve the sale. I doubt most of you understand what the deal is beyond the talking points we heard preelection that were mostly bogus crap blaming it on Hillary.

No concern about Crimea and Ukraine? Bit of revisionist history there.

 

But yes...it is more concerning to me as an American when they target our country with such actions.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Exactly. Ill trust Assange who has a 100% accuracy rate who said it wasnt russians over our whack job gubment.

If youre that good..you can make it look like anybody.

It's telling and laughable that you all still deny it was the Russians

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Yes...you are certainly in tilt.

Those things all added up. The uranium thing is such overblown BSby the right and no...there is zero evidence that it benefited Clinton Foundaion since she couldn't approve the sale. I doubt most of you understand what the deal is beyond the talking points we heard preelection that were mostly bogus crap blaming it on Hillary.

No concern about Crimea and Ukraine? Bit of revisionist history there.

 

But yes...it is more concerning to me as an American when they target our country with such actions.

All he said was that it aided a donor, not the Foundation itself

[SUXBNME 1,516]

It's telling and laughable that you all still deny it was the Russians

I'm not denying it at all. I would just like to see some proof before I accept it as fact.

[cyclone24 1,914]

Yes...you are certainly in tilt.

Those things all added up. The uranium thing is such overblown BSby the right and no...there is zero evidence that it benefited Clinton Foundaion since she couldn't approve the sale. I doubt most of you understand what the deal is beyond the talking points we heard preelection that were mostly bogus crap blaming it on Hillary.

No concern about Crimea and Ukraine? Bit of revisionist history there.

 

But yes...it is more concerning to me as an American when they target our country with such actions.

They didnt seem to "add up" or cause concern until hillary lost. By all means show me how thats incorrect.

 

If they had rigged machines, pumped out misinformation, suppressed voting, etc im right there with you.

But...none of that happened.

 

All that happened was honest exposure...or..that transparency the left loves to say they are about. THAT i have zero problem with.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

They didnt seem to "add up" or cause concern until hillary lost. By all means show me how thats incorrect.

 

If they had rigged machines, pumped out misinformation, suppressed voting, etc im right there with you.

But...none of that happened.

 

All that happened was honest exposure...or..that transparency the left loves to say they are about. THAT i have zero problem with.

 

You act like the source and motive are immaterial.

 

They are not.

 

Transparency is great.

 

Transparency obtained by hacking is questionable.

 

"Transparency" obtained by hacking from a hostile foreign government, for the purpose of meddling in US elections, is NOT okay. Period. There is no debate. This is what you guys don't seem to understand.

[cyclone24 1,914]

 

You act like the source and motive are immaterial.

 

They are not.

 

Transparency is great.

 

Transparency obtained by hacking is questionable.

 

"Transparency" obtained by hacking from a hostile foreign government, for the purpose of meddling in US elections, is NOT okay. Period. There is no debate. This is what you guys don't seem to understand.

Ok...then theres two easy solutions.

 

1. Have better security

 

Or more apt..

 

2. Dont be focking dirtballs cheating in your own elections and having so much BS you hide that Assange can drip stories for months..every day. Not one of which is denied.

[Sho Nuff 720]

They didnt seem to "add up" or cause concern until hillary lost. By all means show me how thats incorrect.

 

If they had rigged machines, pumped out misinformation, suppressed voting, etc im right there with you.

But...none of that happened.

 

All that happened was honest exposure...or..that transparency the left loves to say they are about. THAT i have zero problem with.

Or they showed more concern when the actions attempted to affect are democratic process it became bigger.

Oh and yes, they did pump out misinformation at times...a trump was busted using such info.

 

All that happened...yeah...that's it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ok...then theres two easy solutions.

 

1. Have better security

 

Or more apt..

 

2. Dont be focking dirtballs cheating in your own elections and having so much BS you hide that Assange can drip stories for months..every day. Not one of which is denied.

Exactly..,nobody is denying it.. nobody is bringing up Hillary except people wanting to sweep this under the rug.

[cyclone24 1,914]

Or they showed more concern when the actions attempted to affect are democratic process it became bigger.

Oh and yes, they did pump out misinformation at times...a trump was busted using such info.

 

All that happened...yeah...that's it.

Right. Like i said...libs didnt care about russia until hillary lost. Thanks.

 

Exposing undenied scandals isnt tampering. But boy they are good....jacked up our elections and made her win by 3 million votes, but they also cared about down ballots as well..where the left got trucked.

Just stop...its so incredibly sad and weak. Nobody voted for trump because of Putin.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Right. Like i said...libs didnt care about russia until hillary lost. Thanks.

 

Exposing undenied scandals isnt tampering. But boy they are good....jacked up our elections and made her win by 3 million votes, but they also cared about down ballots as well..where the left got trucked.

Just stop...its so incredibly sad and weak. Nobody voted for trump because of Putin.

Has nothing to do with Hillary dumbass

Sad and weak is repeated lies and most Ruth's and excising Russian involvement

 

Here for your reading on the uranium deal...Cue the whining about how biased facts are

 

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/sep/30/donald-trump/nuclear-claim-donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-ga/

[cyclone24 1,914]

Has nothing to do with Hillary dumbass

Sad and weak is repeated lies and most Ruth's and excising Russian involvement

 

Here for your reading on the uranium deal...Cue the whining about how biased facts are

 

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/sep/30/donald-trump/nuclear-claim-donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-ga/

Sure it did dipshiit. If hillary won the democrats would still be getting their arses handed to them by Putin. The list of fail in dealing with russia is enormous.

But...trump won...and NOW you all are concerned with how dangerous they are.

The fock have you been the last 8 years?

 

So they exposed your undenied scandals...boo hoo....stop being dirtballs and it wouldnt have occurred. The left lost their lunch up and down ballots and it had been going on long before the presidential election. Left was getting pummeled in midterms ever since obama took office.

Comical to say all these issues are because of emails.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sure it did dipshiit. If hillary won the democrats would still be getting their arses handed to them by Putin. The list of fail in dealing with russia is enormous.

But...trump won...and NOW you all are concerned with how dangerous they are.

The fock have you been the last 8 years?

 

So they exposed your undenied scandals...boo hoo....stop being dirtballs and it wouldnt have occurred. The left lost their lunch up and down ballots and it had been going on long before the presidential election. Left was getting pummeled in midterms ever since obama took office.

Comical to say all these issues are because of emails.

I don't like Hillary...your whole unhinged rant is about here

Just useless trying to use logic and reason with people like you.

Asses handed to us by Putin? Yeah...you probably should educate yourself better on ol Putin and how his country is right now.

And hilarious that your ignore that your uranium angle was blown out of the water

[cyclone24 1,914]

I don't like Hillary...your whole unhinged rant is about here

Just useless trying to use logic and reason with people like you.

Asses handed to us by Putin? Yeah...you probably should educate yourself better on ol Putin and how his country is right now.

And hilarious that your ignore that your uranium angle was blown out of the water

Hah..sure slappy. This is another thread where repeated people have said youre getting taken behind the woodshed.

 

Its scary that folks like you think the left has been effective with russia when so much evidence points the other way. I could just point out the russian reset and be done.

 

But by all means...keep making excuses. Its fun to watch you meltdown defending the indefensible.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hah..sure slappy. This is another thread where repeated people have said youre getting taken behind the woodshed.

 

Its scary that folks like you think the left has been effective with russia when so much evidence points the other way. I could just point out the russian reset and be done.

 

But by all means...keep making excuses. Its fun to watch you meltdown defending the indefensible.

Who said the left has been effective with Russia?

I laid out whew that Obamawasnt...Bush wasn't...hell can even go back some into Clinton and we haven't been great with them.

Though...they need us because he has i real economy and nobody around him likes Putin.

 

Excuses? I pointed out the facts that you simply don't want to even discuss...so you keep making things up that haven't been said.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Ok...then theres two easy solutions.

 

1. Have better security

 

Or more apt..

 

2. Dont be focking dirtballs cheating in your own elections and having so much BS you hide that Assange can drip stories for months..every day. Not one of which is denied.

1 is stupid as hell. So watergate was the democrats' fault because they should've had better security? Just stupid.

 

2 is pretty focking naive as well. Of course the RNC stuff just as damaging. Politics is a dirty focking game. And again, we usually don't blame the victim when a crime has been committed.

 

And none of it is justifiable in any event. That you would even try to do so is just focking disgusting. Frankly I consider you guys traitors of American democracy

[cbfalcon 825]

If you guys were so worried about Russia....why sell them 20% of the worlds uranium to them?, which also aided a Clinton foundation donor btw.

 

There's a major consistency that the left is only NOW concerned since they got buttfocked.

Uranium...no

Crimea...no

Ukraine...no

Cyber hacks...no

Russian reset...no

 

 

They found our undenied emails showing who we really were!!!!!!! Aarrrgggggggg......tilt!!

You guys on both sides are so partisan that I've quit reading this thread in detail, as there is obviously no room for a true discussion. But for some reason I read this post, so I ask the following:

 

Even If we sold them 100% of the world's Uranium and we considered them to be closer friends than even Canada, does that mean we look the other way if they try to hack our government and attempt to use that info to influence our elections? That's like saying that if you own a store and have a loyal customer you sell things to, then you have to be ok with him hacking your phone and showing the naked pics of your girlfriend to your other girlfriend.

[Sho Nuff 720]

We didn't sell them 20%of the worlds uranium. Or even 20% of ours.

We allowed them to buy into a Canadian corp that has 20%of the us capacity to produce uranium and the only real way to stop it was if it was determined to be a threat to our national security. He is using debunked crap that Trump threw out there as though it were fact

[cyclone24 1,914]

You guys on both sides are so partisan that I've quit reading this thread in detail, as there is obviously no room for a true discussion. But for some reason I read this post, so I ask the following:

 

Even If we sold them 100% of the world's Uranium and we considered them to be closer friends than even Canada, does that mean we look the other way if they try to hack our government and attempt to use that info to influence our elections? That's like saying that if you own a store and have a loyal customer you sell things to, then you have to be ok with him hacking your phone and showing the naked pics of your girlfriend to your other girlfriend.

Youre right. Trump won...the snowflakes lost. Ballgame....its just liberal tears now. That's all that matters.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

You guys on both sides are so partisan that I've quit reading this thread in detail, as there is obviously no room for a true discussion. But for some reason I read this post, so I ask the following:

 

 

Actually, I've had a pretty decent discussion on this with Sho without any name calling or partisan hackery for the most part

[Sho Nuff 720]

Youre right. Trump won...the snowflakes lost. Ballgame....its just liberal tears now. That's all that matters.

Those damn liberals who care enough to not want to be hacked by an adversarial government. Who just happens to have toes to the President elect and his chief of staff.

Corruption is bad.. unless it's your guy, right?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Actually, I've had a pretty decent discussion on this with Sho without any name calling or partisan hackery for the most part

That's because you came in and had a civil discussion from the start and brought real discussion.

 

You jackass

[drobeski 3,061]

You guys on both sides are so partisan that I've quit reading this thread in detail, as there is obviously no room for a true discussion. But for some reason I read this post, so I ask the following:

 

Even If we sold them 100% of the world's Uranium and we considered them to be closer friends than even Canada, does that mean we look the other way if they try to hack our government and attempt to use that info to influence our elections? That's like saying that if you own a store and have a loyal customer you sell things to, then you have to be ok with him hacking your phone and showing the naked pics of your girlfriend to your other girlfriend.

they didn't hack our government

 

My god

[Reality 3,121]

they didn't hack our government

 

My god

[cyclone24 1,914]

Those damn liberals who care enough to not want to be hacked by an adversarial government. Who just happens to have toes to the President elect and his chief of staff.

Corruption is bad.. unless it's your guy, right?

Very rich for you to complain about corruption. Very rich,

[cbfalcon 825]

they didn't hack our government

 

My god

A. If I wanted to argue like you guys, I'd accurately point out that I never said they did. But I don't.

 

B. Your post here is one of the reasons we can't have a discussion of any consequence on this topic....or any topic related to politics I suppose. And the dumbest guys in the room are the ones that know this, but occasionally try anyway.