Pulling Federal Funds from Colleges as Punishment

[Djgb13 2,339]

Trump tweeted earlier about the protests at UC Berkeley. Stating that he would pull federal money from the college if they continue to block free speech, loot, riot, and protest. Now I have no problem with people protesting. That's a God given right. However, the things these idiots nowadays call "protests" are more destruction and chaos than they are protests. The colleges themselves don't seem to want to control these kids. Hell some of them actually encourage it. So since they are public institutions and receive money from the government do you guys feel like the government should STILL give them the federal funds every year despite them protesting, inhibiting other people's constitutional rights, destroying property, and condemning the federal government and its leader? Or do you think (like me, sorry guys just the way I feel) that they shouldnt protest, loot, riot, destroy property, and condemn the government while still expecting the handout from the government?

 

Personally, if you're receiving funds from someone and you want to treat them like sh1t then you shouldn't expect them to keep giving you money like there's nothing wrong. Now I don't know how the law works when it comes to all those federal funds that are given to the colleges, but I'm almost certain that if they are a public institution and receive federal funds from the government then they have to follow certain guidelines to receive those funds.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/can-trump-block-money-punishment-uc-berkeley-protests-n715901?client=safari

[Sho Nuff 720]

The problem with Berkley was an actual peaceful protest was taken over by an anarchist group.

And Trump can't actually pull federal funding as he threatened.

[Djgb13 2,339]

The problem with Berkley was an actual peaceful protest was taken over by an anarchist group.

And Trump can't actually pull federal funding as he threatened.

See I'm not too familiar with the law regarding federal funds given to colleges. So I can't really make much of an argument. Curious to see what some of you guys think and hope you can enlighten me a little bit on the process of whether trump can actually take away federal funds from these colleges. I know he probably can't do anything about financial aid to students or things like pell grants but the colleges receive other federal funds given to them by the government. I would think they could pull that

[Cdub100 3,995]

The problem with Berkley was an actual peaceful protest was taken over by an anarchist group.

 

Seems to be happening a lot at all of your "peaceful protest"

[Sho Nuff 720]

See I'm not too familiar with the law regarding federal funds given to colleges. So I can't really make much of an argument. Curious to see what some of you guys think and hope you can enlighten me a little bit on the process of whether trump can actually take away federal funds from these colleges. I know he probably can't do anything about financial aid to students or things like pell grants but the colleges receive other federal funds given to them by the government. I would think they could pull that

 

You have one group organizing a speech by a guy (and we can get into what a piece of crap Milo is...but not necessarily relevant)...another opposing group protests.

A third nutty group comes in focking it all up.

 

None of which is the university really doing much. The first group apparently paid for security...but likely overwhelmed. Is it up to the university to stop all of this? They didn't promote a lack of free speech at all. So not sure what the threat is really for...other than Trump trying to flex on twitter.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Seems to be happening a lot at all of your "peaceful protest"

Not really.

There are some creeps in some of these groups...like at the inauguration. The women's march was very peaceful all over the country. The protests at the airports over the Executive order also quite peaceful.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

The problem with Berkley was an actual peaceful protest was taken over by an anarchist group.

And Trump can't actually pull federal funding as he threatened.

 

While I apparently read the same article(s) you read, he could use other justifications for pulling funding. Freedom of Speech that he's claiming was impeded would be a Civil Rights issue. That is an avenue that might give him justification.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

While I apparently read the same article(s) you read, he could use other justifications for pulling funding. Freedom of Speech that he's claiming was impeded would be a Civil Rights issue. That is an avenue that might give him justification.

 

The school did not impede and freedom of speech (and the last person to be trying any 1st amendment issues is Trump).

The protesters have the freedom to peacefully assemble. The actual protesters did that until the jackholes came in.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Pull our money from all of them until they lower tuition and quit screwing American youth.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

 

The school did not impede and freedom of speech (and the last person to be trying any 1st amendment issues is Trump).

The protesters have the freedom to peacefully assemble. The actual protesters did that until the jackholes came in.

And you know that all the bad guys weren't students. How? They had masks on and nobody was arrested. Just making stuff up now?

[parrot 789]

Trump tweeted earlier about the protests at UC Berkeley. Stating that he would pull federal money from the college if they continue to block free speech, loot, riot, and protest. Now I have no problem with people protesting. That's a God given right. However, the things these idiots nowadays call "protests" are more destruction and chaos than they are protests. The colleges themselves don't seem to want to control these kids. Hell some of them actually encourage it. So since they are public institutions and receive money from the government do you guys feel like the government should STILL give them the federal funds every year despite them protesting, inhibiting other people's constitutional rights, destroying property, and condemning the federal government and its leader? Or do you think (like me, sorry guys just the way I feel) that they shouldnt protest, loot, riot, destroy property, and condemn the government while still expecting the handout from the government?

 

 

Yeah, let's withhold federal funds based on whether institutions "condemn" the government or not. That doesn't sound scary at all.

 

Also, when did educational funding become a "handout"?

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Yeah, let's withhold federal funds based on whether institutions "selectively condemn" the government or not. That doesn't sound scary at all.

 

Also, when did educational funding become a "handout"?

I put selectively in there for you, you accidentally left it out

[crackattack 520]

I guess the government could use civil rights as the issue. It becomes a fine line of fascism, authoritarian. I'm all for protesting peacefully, voicing opposition peacefully, but the extremists are winning. They are shutting down opposing thought and speech all across the country. The violence and anger all over different views, opinions, thought, is very disheartening.

[bandrus1 413]

how is this a free speech issue? he can say whatever he wants whenever he wants. He is not guaranteed a venue for it. If I want 30 mins of airtime at the superbowl and im denied it isnt a free speech issue

[parrot 789]

I put selectively in there for you, you accidentally left it out

 

Selectively? You mean like look at individual cases and actions and decide whether you agree with them or not? I think that's called critical thinking or something like that. What a crazy notion for higher education.

[crackattack 520]

how is this a free speech issue? he can say whatever he wants whenever he wants. He is not guaranteed a venue for it. If I want 30 mins of airtime at the superbowl and im denied it isnt a free speech issue

I would tend to agree with you, but. When one side (left) is continually allowed on campuses, commencement speeches, etc, and the other side (right) is continually met with violence, protests, removed from speeches, then I'd say it's a problem. We're not allowing equal time, opposing thought, different views of life. IMO that's a problem.

[NewbieJr 541]

I would tend to agree with you, but. When one side (left) is continually allowed on campuses, commencement speeches, etc, and the other side (right) is continually met with violence, protests, removed from speeches, then I'd say it's a problem. We're not allowing equal time, opposing thought, different views of life. IMO that's a problem.

America has always been about Freedom and equal rights. God Bless students who realize they should protest people who want to take those things away.

[bandrus1 413]

I would tend to agree with you, but. When one side (left) is continually allowed on campuses, commencement speeches, etc, and the other side (right) is continually met with violence, protests, removed from speeches, then I'd say it's a problem. We're not allowing equal time, opposing thought, different views of life. IMO that's a problem.

 

 

I agree many views need to be heard but again..... It 100% is NOT a right for a platform... You have a right to say what you want and not be punished. You dont have a right to have a venue

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Selectively? You mean like look at individual cases and actions and decide whether you agree with them or not? I think that's called critical thinking or something like that. What a crazy notion for higher education.

I agree, the government should look at individual cases of free speech violations by colleges and adjust or refuse funding accordingly.

If a campus demonstrates a bias and discriminatory actions towards one political point of view then they should be punished accordingly.

[crackattack 520]

America has always been about Freedom and equal rights. God Bless students who realize they should protest people who want to take those things away.

I have zero problem with peaceful protests. I think that's extremely American

[NewbieJr 541]

I have zero problem with peaceful protests. I think that's extremely American

I agree. The problem is, when you have large congregations, it only takes one lunkhead to screw everything up.

[crackattack 520]

 

 

I agree many views need to be heard but again..... It 100% is NOT a right for a platform... You have a right to say what you want and not be punished. You dont have a right to have a venue

Again, I agree. A platform is not guaranteed. My issue is when a platform is given, but met with violence. People want to voice opposition to speakers like Milo, great, do it peacefully, but allow individuals who want to hear him go and listen.

[crackattack 520]

I agree. The problem is, when you have large congregations, it only takes one lunkhead to screw everything up.

Yes, but let's not be dishonest or disingenuous. These protests are organized and violent. There's obviously more then one "lunkhead". Now, not all are violent of course, but the one at uc Berkeley was organized and violence was an agenda.

[parrot 789]

I agree, the government should look at individual cases of free speech violations by colleges and adjust or refuse funding accordingly.

If a campus demonstrates a bias and discriminatory actions towards one political point of view then they should be punished accordingly.

 

I'm not sure what you're agreeing with because I was talking about the idea of "condemning the federal government" as a basis for denying funds, nothing about denying free speech.

 

You might have a point if you could show that the college violated someone's free speech. My understanding is Yaddayaddayopolis was invited by a student group, which the college allowed, and it was then met with protests by other groups, some of whom were students but many who probably weren't. Not sure how that is on the college.

[mmmmm...beer 815]

How focking ironic is it that the left which was built in the 60's counter culture of free speech, are now rioting and oppressing free speech?

 

It's focking crazy to me.

 

Also color me in the realm of I don't know how the school can be blamed for this as an institution. They didn't organize or sanction the violent protest specifically and I don't know theres proof otherwise.

 

Also I don't believe the regular/sanction protestors and the "bad" protesters were different entities. Same people that just pulled masks out of their backpacks.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Remember when Obama threatened to take federal education and infrastructure funding away from North Carolina? I remember hearing crickets from the left.

[NewbieJr 541]

Yes, but let's not be dishonest or disingenuous. These protests are organized and violent. There's obviously more then one "lunkhead". Now, not all are violent of course, but the one at uc Berkeley was organized and violence was an agenda.

Not by the college students. Which is what makes Trump's remarks all the more stupid.

[crackattack 520]

Not by the college students. Which is what makes Trump's remarks all the more stupid.

We don't know this for sure. Some of those masked individuals could've been students.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

We don't know this for sure. Some of those masked individuals could've been students.

They just say what feels good. Maybe it wasn't students. But to say that now is just as ridiculous as saying it was students. We don't know.

[NewbieJr 541]

Remember when Obama threatened to take federal education and infrastructure funding away from North Carolina? I remember hearing crickets from the left.

Was that back when you were on the left or had you already done the 180?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Was that back when you were on the left or had you already done the 180?

After. Sorry, I thought people could change their minds. If they didn't, your girl would have won. You seem to cling to this for some reason. Lefty playbook in affect. You're a good little soldier. PS, I was never a libtard puzzy. When I was in that camp the freaks were contained. Then Obama came and let them out of their cages after his second win.

[NewbieJr 541]

After. Sorry, I thought people could change their minds. If they didn't, your girl would have won. You seem to cling to this for some reason. Lefty playbook in affect. You're a good little soldier. PS, I was never a libtard puzzy. When I was in that camp the freaks were contained. Then Obama came and let them out of their cages after his second win.

People can. About a specific topic or two. Not completely doing an about face and switching every single viewpoint from liberal to conservative. And suddenly hating all the Democratic leaders that you claim to have supported, pre-flip flop. Just one of the many reasons you're the joke of the board.

[FeelingMN 273]

Remember when Obama threatened to take federal education and infrastructure funding away from North Carolina? I remember hearing crickets from the left.

I think if the school promoted the violence and discouraged freedom of speech you'd have a point. But since not of that is really on the school then it's an apples/oranges thing.

 

And can we stop calling it "violent protests"? Call it terrorism. They're not trying to make their voices heard. They're trying to curb free speech and disrupt core American values. It's one thing when protests get a little unruly. But it seems like there are people intent on destroying property and wreaking havoc.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

People can. About a specific topic or two. Not completely doing an about face and switching every single viewpoint from liberal to conservative. And suddenly hating all the Democratic leaders that you claim to have supported, pre-flip flop. Just one of the many reasons you're the joke of the board.

Maube I am. I wouldn't go around thinking you're the sage of the board around here Willis. But of course you didn't address the subject, just made it personal. That's becaise you're an ill informed meathead. You're incapable

[RLLD 4,275]

All along, everyone has underestimated this guy, when are we going to learn that we have to stop saying "he cant do tht", because he clearly intends to do sh!t and does it, and if anyone gets in his way he steamrolls them.....how about we stop underestimating him for a few months.....

[FeelingMN 273]

All along, everyone has underestimated this guy, when are we going to learn that we have to stop saying "he cant do tht", because he clearly intends to do sh!t and does it, and if anyone gets in his way he steamrolls them.....how about we stop underestimating him for a few months.....

Sure. Like boosting the economy and addressing immigration. His way might not be the most popular but maybe it gets results. So don't automatically dismiss his ideas. That'd be underestimating him.

 

But when he says he'd pull federal funding from a school because of a freedom of speech issue....when it wasn't....kinda shows impulsivity and ignorance. When the most powerful man in the world is prone to knee jerk reactions, it's completely fair to question him when those situations arise.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yes, but let's not be dishonest or disingenuous. These protests are organized and violent. There's obviously more then one "lunkhead". Now, not all are violent of course, but the one at uc Berkeley was organized and violence was an agenda.

Link to violence being the agenda of the actual protest(not the group of masked who started the )?

[RLLD 4,275]

Sure. Like boosting the economy and addressing immigration. His way might not be the most popular but maybe it gets results. So don't automatically dismiss his ideas. That'd be underestimating him.

 

But when he says he'd pull federal funding from a school because of a freedom of speech issue....when it wasn't....kinda shows impulsivity and ignorance. When the most powerful man in the world is prone to knee jerk reactions, it's completely fair to question him when those situations arise.

 

Correct. I am just tired of people underestimating him and then he does something incredibly dumb and consequences arise. All I am saying is that if he is saying he is going to with hold funding, we have to behave as if he is doing that tomorrow, for real, and not sit back and relax on this guy.....

 

Everyone has underestimated him from jump street and now he is the president, time to start acknowledging that he brings something to the mix that creates results, too often ones we dont really care for....

[Djgb13 2,339]

Still, the question is should the government be allowed to pull federal funding from colleges? I know Obama said he would pull funding from North Carolina and even the public schools. Not just colleges, which IMO, is a hell of a lot worse than Trump saying he would pull it from certain colleges. Instead of people criticizing Obama they went on to talk about the dam bathroom incident instead

[RLLD 4,275]

Link to violence being the agenda of the actual protest(not the group of masked ###### who started the ######)?

 

I consider this disingenuous at best. These movements are populated with violent people, and violence erupts too often at these rallys. This game where we pretend that its not allll of themmmmmm.....heyyyyy theres no violence......its just a few peepuwl,,,,,, nope, not gonna buy that unless BLM and the other hate groups are gonna buy that the police only hve a few bad actors and we should not hold them accountable....

 

This is a crafty way I see left-leaning folks try to justify their positions and protests, but its just not true and until they admit it, cal lit out, put a stop to it all they are doing is feed the people that elected Trump.....be stupid if you want people, but when your stupidity impacts me....that is where I say no more....