What if it's found that Trump did help the Russians

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You realize this was done...with a warrant...under the direction of Special Counsel for the Russian Investigation, right?

Selective outrage?

Says the guy who does not give two shits that the guy he voted for and defends was very likely acting in a criminal behavior and working with an adversary to fock with our election.

fock with the election ? Good one, its as if wikileaks put out false information...but wait, they didn't.

[NewbieJr 541]

I pointed that out dumbo.

No, you said that to 'normal people' the FBI has credibility issues. That's simply not true. Only to Trump's base. The dumbest 30% of the population. He's successfully convinced you that the FBI, the CIA, national intelligence, and all media is crooked. He's playing you like a fiddle.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Surely THIS will spell the end for drumph

As ive said for a long time...who knows what reaches him. Manafort and Flynn are focked...Kushner and Jr may be too.

[Sho Nuff 720]

fock with the election ? Good one, its as if wikileaks put out false information...but wait, they didn't.

Wiki does put out false narratives yes.

Their analysis is definitely biased...and they have been called out even by Trumps guy Pompeo.

[Reality 3,121]

Oh, this is still a thing. You guys keep fighting the good fight.

 

I hope you get to the bottom of it..

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Oh, this is still a thing. You guys keep fighting the good fight.

 

I hope you get to the bottom of it..

 

Let's see...how long ago did the Benghazi investigation end? And how long ago did you retards stop talking about it? ROFL Well, the Russia investigation didn't end yet. In fact, it's closer to the beginning than to the end. So pull up a chair, loser. It's going to be a while.

[Reality 3,121]

Let's see...how long ago did the Benghazi investigation end? And how long ago did you retards stop talking about it? ROFL Well, the Russia investigation didn't end yet. In fact, it's closer to the beginning than to the end. So pull up a chair, loser. It's going to be a while.

 

You guys, as in me?

 

 

You are such a clown.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

You guys, as in me?

 

 

You are such a clown.

Yes. You guys. All the loudmouth Republican ass holes. You absolutely fit into that group. Pull up a chair.

[Reality 3,121]

Yes. You guys. All the loudmouth Republican ass holes. You absolutely fit into that group. Pull up a chair.

 

Prove it.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Prove it.

 

Blow me

 

[Reality 3,121]

Blow me

 

 

That's what I thought, clown.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

That's what I thought, clown.

So you're denying that "Benghazi" hasn't been a Republican rallying cry even long after the (Republican-led) investigation was over? Please tell me you're denying that.

[Reality 3,121]

So you're denying that "Benghazi" hasn't been a Republican rallying cry even long after the (Republican-led) investigation was over? Please tell me you're denying that.

You seem extra stupid today.

[NewbieJr 541]

You seem extra stupid today.

and you keep thinking of clever ways to avoid answering the question. That in and of itself, answers the question. You lose

[iam90sbaby 2,618]

What do you guys think over/under were in a war with NoKo in a week?

[NewbieJr 541]

What do you guys think over/under were in a war with NoKo in a week?

that would become a world war very quickly. Hoping that doesn't happen. There would be millions of dead people within a week one ever started between us

[Reality 3,121]

and you keep thinking of clever ways to avoid answering the question. That in and of itself, answers the question. You lose

You guys. Prove it.

 

[Baker Boy 1,702]

Never underestimate the power of ignorant people in large numbers

[NewbieJr 541]

Never underestimate the power of ignorant people in large numbers

Brilliant. I'm going to give you a little star sticker.

[Baker Boy 1,702]

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

[Sho Nuff 720]

Never underestimate the power of ignorant people in large numbers

 

 

We know...last time people underestimated a large group of ignorant people...Trump was elected president.

[Sho Nuff 720]

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

 

Speaking of ignorance...did you evenread that..or just the headline?

 

The work I will now report upon does not purport to prove or disprove any of them. Who delivered documents to WikiLeaks? Who was responsible for the “phishing” operation penetrating John Podesta’s e-mail in March 2016? We do not know the answers to such questions.

 

 

And Filthy already started an ignorant thread about this.

Its all based on that forensicator BS...but go ahead...believe all the conspiracy theories...good stuff..

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Speaking of ignorance...did you evenread that..or just the headline?

 

And Filthy already started an ignorant thread about this.

Its all based on that forensicator BS...but go ahead...believe all the conspiracy theories...good stuff..

 

Post the link where there's one shred of evidence detailing the hack.

 

Crowdstrike's reputation now is garbage after the Ukrainian Artillery 'hack'.

 

The IC's report by 3 handpicked people compiled at the urgency of outgoing Obama to set the narrative before Trump took office. It's pretty simple if you think about it. There's no way to keep a lid on the lie if you bring in all the intelligence agencies or have scores working on it. You just have to have the Crowdstrike report, disallow access to the 'hacked equipment' (DNC) and limit the number working on the report to just a handful.

 

Surely after a year the NSA, CIA or FBI could release one iota of evidence showing files were transferred out of the DNC remotely. Nope.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Post the link where there's one shred of evidence detailing the hack.

 

Crowdstrike's reputation now is garbage after the Ukrainian Artillery 'hack'.

 

The IC's report by 3 handpicked people compiled at the urgency of outgoing Obama to set the narrative before Trump took office. It's pretty simple if you think about it. There's no way to keep a lid on the lie if you bring in all the intelligence agencies or have scores working on it. You just have to have the Crowdstrike report, disallow access to the 'hacked equipment' (DNC) and limit the number working on the report to just a handful.

 

Surely after a year the NSA, CIA or FBI could release one iota of evidence showing files were transferred out of the DNC remotely. Nope.

Crowdstrike has a great reputation except among conspiracy believing jackholes like you.

 

The OC report was by more than 3 people and approved by the DNI...which you still have zero clue what that means.

Why would they releas classified Intel that may be evidence of a crime during ongoing investigations?

 

Are you really this stupid? Never mind...I know the answer to that.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Crowdstrike has a great reputation except among conspiracy believing jackholes like you.

 

The OC report was by more than 3 people and approved by the DNI...which you still have zero clue what that means.

Why would they releas classified Intel that may be evidence of a crime during ongoing investigations?

 

Are you really this stupid? Never mind...I know the answer to that.

 

Burr: "did you ever have access to the actual hardware that was hacked? Or, did you have to rely on a third part to provide you the data they collected?"

Comey: “In the case of the DNC, we did not have access to the devices themselves. We got relevant forensic information from a private party....a high-class entity that had done the work. But, we didn't get direct access."

Burr: "But no content?"

Comey: "Correct"

Burr: "Isn't content an important part of the forensics from a counter-intelligence standpoint?”

Comey: “It is, although, what was briefed to me at the time by my folks, the people who were my folks at the time, is that they had gotten the information from the private party, that they needed to understand the intrusion by the spring of 2016.”

 

 

They can't release what they do not possess. Comey admits they were just given information from Crowdstrike and didn't question it.

 

The DNC pays Crowdstrike, bars access to Federal Investigators, hands them a report and it's considered fact at that point.

 

The IC report stating Russia meddled, while correct (water is wet), assumes the information received from Crowdstrike is accurate. It simply isn't whether they did so maliciously or ignorantly (as they did with Ukrainian Artillery hacking claim) remains to be fleshed out.

[Sho Nuff 720]

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

I'd be laughing too (albeit nervously) if I realized I believed the horsesh!t the IC turned in as an investigation.

[Sho Nuff 720]

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

[Baker Boy 1,702]

According to report just out, President Obama knew about Russian interference 3 years ago but he didn't want to anger Russia!

 

Obama thinks just like The Orange Hagfish?

[Sho Nuff 720]

According to report just out, President Obama knew about Russian interference 3 years ago but he didn't want to anger Russia!

 

Obama thinks just like The Orange Hagfish?

As usual...I notice you don't link to said report...why is that?

[NewbieJr 541]

As usual...I notice you don't link to said report...why is that?

Because he's the #silverretard

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1st post. So, how are we doing on this? I'll come back in 3 weeks and ask the same thing. snonuts will have 8 pages of posts by then.

[Sho Nuff 720]

1st post. So, how are we doing on this? I'll come back in 3 weeks and ask the same thing. snonuts will have 8 pages of posts by then.

Well...we could talk about how more of the Mayflower hotel meeting has been confirmed.

How Trump campaign officials were trying to set up meetings with Putin last year.

 

But the real stuff is what Mueller is working on. And his group has been pretty airtight on the leaks.

Nobody around to testify to right now...so just have to wait.

 

I'm sure it's all just nothing though.

[Cdub100 3,928]

Is anyone still talking about this? I bet the media will let it die out only to bring it back for the 2020 election.

[NewbieJr 541]

Is anyone still talking about this? I bet the media will let it die out only to bring it back for the 2020 election.

Fortunately, with Trump having a swordfight with Jung-Un and his support of the white supremacists. this story hit the back burner where it belongs. Nothing really exciting happened since the FBI raided Manafort's apartment.

[posty 2,702]

Obama team was warned in 2014 about Russian interference

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/obama-russia-election-interference-241547

 

The Obama administration received multiple warnings from national security officials between 2014 and 2016 that the Kremlin was ramping up its intelligence operations and building disinformation networks it could use to disrupt the U.S. political system, according to more than half a dozen current and former officials.

 

As early as 2014, the administration received a report that quoted a well-connected Russian source as saying that the Kremlin was building a disinformation arm that could be used to interfere in Western democracies. The report, according to an official familiar with it, included a quote from the Russian source telling U.S. officials in Moscow, "You have no idea how extensive these networks are in Europe ... and in the U.S., Russia has penetrated media organizations, lobbying firms, political parties, governments and militaries in all of these places."

 

That report was circulated among the National Security Council, intelligence agencies and the State Department via secure email and cable in the spring of 2014 as part of a larger assessment of Russian intentions in Ukraine, the official said.

 

There was no explicit warning of a threat to U.S. elections, but the official said some diplomats and national security officials in Moscow felt the administration was too quick to dismiss the possibility that the Kremlin incursions could reach the United States.

 

“Even if the Russians and [Russian President Vladimir] Putin had these ambitions, they were doubtful of their capacity to execute them,” the official said of the Obama administration.

 

Former White House officials, requesting anonymity to discuss intelligence reporting, confirmed that the administration began receiving increased traffic in 2014 about Russian disinformation and covert influence in campaigns, but said they did not recall receiving that specific warning about Russian inroads in the United States.

 

Ned Price, a former spokesperson for the National Security Council, rejected the idea that the administration failed to heed warnings about Russian interference in the U.S. political system or Russian cyberespionage in general.

 

“The Obama administration was nothing but proactive in responding to Russian aggression in all of its forms, especially as Moscow became more brazen with and following its military moves against Ukraine beginning in 2014,” Price said, citing sanctions and increased American support to NATO as evidence of the former administration’s seriousness.

 

But subsequent events — including Russia’s interference in the American election through hacks of the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta, among other intrusions identified by U.S. intelligence — have left many in the former administration wondering whether they could have done more.

 

“People have criticized us ... for not coming out more forcefully and saying it,” former CIA Director John Brennan said at the Aspen National Forum in July. “There was no playbook for this.”

 

On Oct. 7, 2016, about a month before the election, the administration revealed, through a statement from the director of national intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security, that the U.S. government believed Russia was behind the hacks and was seeking to interfere with the election. The revelation, which many in the White House expected to be bombshell news, was largely overshadowed by the revelation that same day of an “Access Hollywood” tape in which Donald Trump made crude and sexist comments to anchor Billy Bush.

 

But others in the national security community say an overly cautious Obama White House could have done more both during the campaign and in the previous months and years to alert Russia that it was aware of its intentions to subvert the U.S. democracy — along with those of some other Western countries — and would retaliate forcefully at the first sign of Russian interference.

 

POLITICO spoke with more than a dozen current and former officials from across the national security spectrum, including intelligence agencies, the State Department and the Pentagon. Almost all said they were aware of Russia’s aggressive cyberespionage and disinformation campaigns — especially after the dramatic Russian attempt to hack Ukrainian elections in 2014 — but felt that either the White House or key agencies were unwilling to act forcefully to counter the Russian actions.

 

Intelligence officials "had a list of things they could never get the signoffs on,” one intelligence official said. “The truth is, nobody wanted to piss off the Russians.”

 

Among the strategies put forward prior to the 2016 election were closing two Russian dachas in Maryland and New York, which were long suspected of being Russian intelligence sites, expelling diplomats and engaging in counterintelligence operations that would alert Putin to the United States’ determination to strike back against any attempts at interference in the U.S. political system.

 

Officials outside the White House blamed micromanagement by the National Security Council for the lack of a more forceful response, while a former NSC official says any failure to act forcefully against Russia was because of concerns by the State Department and, less frequently, the Defense Department about potential retaliation by Moscow.

 

“The frustrations [about lack of forceful action] are justified and, frankly, were shared by the White House,” said the former official, who requested anonymity due to this person's continuing work in Russia.

 

“The options were being discussed. They weren’t being implemented,” the former official added.

 

The State Department and Pentagon often objected to harsher measures endorsed by the intelligence community, one official said, a difference in perspective that some attributed to the fact that diplomatic staff and defense attaches were obvious targets of retaliation, rather than intelligence officers who usually work undercover.

 

Concerns about Russian cyberespionage and election meddling largely grew out of the events following Russia’s annexation of Crimea in March 2014, followed by an aggressive Russian effort to influence the Ukrainian presidential election that May.

 

A Russia-backed cyberattack against Ukraine’s voting infrastructure during the May election was thwarted at the 11th hour. The cyberintrusions — which in some cases could have changed voter tallies — were discovered just hours before what could have been catastrophic outcomes.

 

“The reports from sources deep inside the Russian government were alarming,” one current U.S. official who served under the Obama administration said. “We started getting stuff in April, May [of 2014] that was extraordinary about the extent of the threat and the capacities the Russians were building.”

 

“We were worried [Putin] would try to test us,” recalled a former Obama administration official.

 

The Ukraine crisis — coupled with the Kremlin’s embrace of National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden, who continues to be granted asylum by Moscow — was a sobering moment for the White House, one recently departed intelligence officer and the current administration official said.

 

Yet the administration still was reluctant to engage in more forceful counterintelligence strategies against the Kremlin, including more aggressively tracking and tailing Russian operatives within the United States, according to five of the officials who spoke to POLITICO.

 

Those outside the White House said they received frustrating mixed messages: The White House would subsequently dismiss Moscow’s capabilities while also citing fear of an escalation with Putin.

 

Price, the former NSC spokesman, denied those claims.

 

“We responded with the same clarity of purpose following Moscow’s aggression against U.S. officials in Russia and, of course, in the face of the Kremlin’s attempt to undermine the integrity of our electoral process,” he said.

 

But several senior intelligence and administration officials recall it differently.

 

“It just seemed like it was difficult, especially after the Crimea and the Ukraine ... there still wasn’t a willingness to more heartily engage in the effort,” the former intelligence officer said.

 

In one particularly frustrating instance, officials said, they reiterated a longstanding desire to shut down the two Russian dachas in Maryland and New York. Amid escalating tensions, it was often presented as a way to send a message to Moscow.

 

“For quite some time, it was an active option. Secretary Kerry refused to consider it,” the former NSC official said. “We were getting pushback from the head of the agency being harassed. That was a constant frustration.”

 

Former Secretary of State John Kerry was overseas and unavailable for comment. But a former senior State Department official, speaking as a representative of Kerry, saw it differently. “Kerry agreed to shut down the dachas, but had not settled on the timing,” the official said.

 

Tensions finally reached a fever pitch in the summer of 2016. Just days before Russian operatives began releasing troves of stolen DNC emails, a CIA officer under official diplomatic cover was brutally beaten outside the U.S. embassy in Moscow. The officer managed to slip to safety inside the door of the U.S. compound but was immediately evacuated for medical care.

 

U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials worked frantically to compile retaliatory options for the Obama White House. Despite being presented with several strategies — including more aggressively tailing Russian diplomats in the U.S. — it opted to do nothing immediately.

 

“There was some real anger,” the former intelligence officer said. “We weren’t going to mug anybody, but we could at least be more overt in our coverages. We could expel some people, we could do more overt surveillance on people.”

 

Another former intelligence official put it this way: “The longer we don’t push back, the harder they push.”

 

Even after the release of emails designed to damage Clinton’s campaign, the White House was reluctant to respond, something that several recently departed Obama-era officials have lamented.

 

After compiling a list of potential retaliatory options in the summer of 2016 — including kicking out more than 100 Russian diplomats, one official told POLITICO — the pushback from national security agencies was so great and varied, the NSC official said, that for months nothing was done.

 

“Any of these actions risked a Russian reciprocation,” the former NSC official said. “We were kind of caught in a catch-22.”

 

After the election, in December, the White House finally announced the expulsion of 35 diplomats and ordered the Kremlin officials out of the two Russian-owned dachas.

 

But in a further indication of the tensions within the Obama team, Kerry rejected suggestions that he personally break the news of the expulsions and closing of the dachas to Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov, the former NSC official said. Instead, the job was left to Pat Kennedy, one of Kerry’s undersecretaries.

 

The former State Department official, speaking for Kerry, said the option of having Kerry communicate the expulsions and closing of the dachas to Lavrov was never discussed. But the former NSC official was unmoved.

 

“The idea of having Kerry doing it with Lavrov was raised several times and he didn’t want to do it,” the NSC official said.

 

The expulsions and closing of the dachas were symbolic moves that stung the Kremlin, but for many intelligence officers, it was too little, too late.

 

While some Obama White House officials privately concede that they, too, wish there had been a more forceful response, others stand by the decisions that were made.

 

“People at the working level don’t necessarily understand” the full scope of policy implications, one former White House official said.

 

Now, to the further frustration of some intelligence officers, there is little indication that, for all Trump’s bluster, he’ll be tougher on the Kremlin. In his first months in office, the president has signaled a willingness to work with Moscow on several fronts, and has pushed back hard against his own intelligence community’s assessment that Russia actively worked to elect him to the presidency.

 

It’s a bitter pill for many who see Trump’s election as the avoidable outcome of years’ worth of counterintelligence failings against Russia.

 

“They were warned. They underestimated it until it was too late,” the current administration official said of the Obama White House and Russia, with a tinge of bitterness. “They just didn’t know how to deal with the bad guys.”

[Sho Nuff 720]

Is anyone still talking about this? I bet the media will let it die out only to bring it back for the 2020 election.

 

Good thing its not up to the media.

Of course there is not much going on right now.

congress is on unofficial recess...nobody testifying.

Mueller getting subpeonas for records and interviewing more people...seeking time with top west wing staff.

its not just going to go away.

[Baker Boy 1,702]

Bump so SlowFlake can continue to make a fool of himself!

[cbfalcon 825]

Obama: Receives multiple warnings that Russia was ramping up to disrupt our system, and he does nothing of note..

 

Trump: Knows that Obama receives multiple warnings that Russia was ramping up to disrupt our system, and did nothing of note. Also knows Russia actually successfully committed the acts via multiple intelligence agencies, also knows first hand of the attempted disruptions because his team was told by Russian spies and money launderers that they wanted to be involved, also knows that Russia is still spreading disinformation to continue their efforts.

 

And the message I'm seeing here is that Obama didn't do enough with the info he had, but Trump is right to stand down with the info he has? Strange.