Still think they aren't protesting military?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

Certainly not something I would consider doing, but again, I don't know what's on his mind, and I don't really care.

 

I'm just saying that blind allegiance to our military and all they do isn't a requirement of US citizens.

 

If football players or anyone else wants to protest the military, so what?

And if people don't want to consume their product they can do that as well. Action-reaction.

[Mungwater 597]

Certainly not something I would consider doing, but again, I don't know what's on his mind, and I don't really care.

 

I'm just saying that blind allegiance to our military and all they do isn't a requirement of US citizens.

 

If football players or anyone else wants to protest the military, so what?

I agree that blind allegiance to the military isn't required, but during taps is very very timing.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I agree that blind allegiance to the military isn't required, but during taps is very very timing.

Exactly. No one is saying follow them blindly. But sh1t these people have no respect. That would be like showing up to someone's funeral to talk sh1t about them

[vuduchile 1,945]

I agree that blind allegiance to the military isn't required, but during taps is very very timing.

I agree that it shows complete disregard for those who gave their lives so we could enjoy our freedoms.

 

For whatever reason, this doosh doesn't feel the same. So what? He's a disrespectful pr!ck. The world is full of 'em. Hell, this board is full of 'em.

[Mungwater 597]

I agree that it shows complete disregard for those who gave their lives so we could enjoy our freedoms.

 

For whatever reason, this doosh doesn't feel the same. So what? He's a disrespectful pr!ck. The world is full of 'em. Hell, this board is full of 'em.

I just think it highlights he doesn't know what he's doing or what he's protesting. Nobody in their right mind would kneel during taps.

[vuduchile 1,945]

And if people don't want to consume their product they can do that as well. Action-reaction.

There's the rub. Good or bad, Americans have to live with the military decisions made on our behalf every day.

 

If we don't like it, we can say so via protest or at the voting booth.

[vuduchile 1,945]

I just think it highlights he doesn't know what he's doing or what he's protesting. Nobody in their right mind would kneel during taps.

You're probably right. I've been trying to imagine a reason why he would, but can't really come up with anything. I could understand a wife or parent being upset with the military if their loved one died in what they considered a meaningless war, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

[Voltaire 5,315]

At least in this thread there are people that think it's inappropriate to kneel for taps at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier who don't feel it's inappropriate to kneel at football games. I fail to see any distinction other than setting, but eh... I can't wrap my head around any of it and am just profoundly sad and disappointed at it all and how we are all expected to sit back and watch everything go to sh*t.

[Mungwater 597]

At least in this thread there are people that think it's inappropriate to kneel for taps at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier who don't feel it's inappropriate to kneel at football games. I fail to see any distinction other than setting, but eh... I can't wrap my head around any of it and am just profoundly sad and disappointed at it all and how we are all expected to sit back and watch everything go to sh*t.

The distinction I see is that the national anthem is pretty broad, use it to protest anything you want.

 

The main purpose of taps is to honor the person who died to let you protest the flag, at least show them some respect

[penultimatestraw 473]

WTF. I'd have thought that this forearm would have evolved enough by now that posting images would be acceptable. No?

If only the bored was intelligently designed...

[wiffleball 4,790]

fyi -

 

One aspect of this history that has spawned some confusion in recent days concerns a change made in 2009.

Until that year, players in primetime games would remain inside their locker rooms while the anthem was sung, due to timing concerns for the television networks. After 2009, the players in primetime games have been on the field during the anthem, McCarthy said.

 

While I disagree with the kneeling garbage, please dont come at me like the idea of stanidng for the anthem - or even showing it at all - is somehow this sacrosanct ceremony upon which the very tenets of democracy and freedom are anchored.

[penultimatestraw 473]

fyi -

While I disagree with the kneeling garbage, please dont come at me like the idea of stanidng for the anthem - or even showing it at all - is somehow this sacrosanct ceremony upon which the very tenets of democracy and freedom are anchored.

Amen. Moreover, kneeling is not a gesture of disrespect. On the contrary, the position is usually associated with reverence or submission. In this instance, the kneelers are doing so to "opt-out" of the more contemporary stance during the anthem, but it is interesting they chose to kneel rather than sit, turn their back, etc.

[wiffleball 4,790]

You're probably right. I've been trying to imagine a reason why he would, but can't really come up with anything. I could understand a wife or parent being upset with the military if their loved one died in what they considered a meaningless war, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

You kids are forgetting the far more disrespectful and flat out atrocious behavior of Westboro @ fallen soldier's funerals?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

"To everything spin, spin, there is a season, spin, spin, spin. You guys are right. It's not disrespectful, its showing reverence. Good job! PS-Nobody is buying your bullshit

[IMMensaMind 462]

If only the bored was intelligently designed...

You use the word 'bored' also still? I've seen it used several times lately, but edjr found its use 'suspect'.

 

I didn't understand.

[IMMensaMind 462]

You kids are forgetting the far more disrespectful and flat out atrocious behavior of Westboro @ fallen soldier's funerals?

Forgetting? I'm pretty sure everyone who commented on that was universally condemnational. Westboro are full of piles of sht.

[giraldi02 474]

How many people in attendance are in violation of the dress code?

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/About/Policies-and-Public-Notices/Dress-Code-for-Public-Wreath-Ceremonies

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

How many people in attendance are in violation of the dress code?

 

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/About/Policies-and-Public-Notices/Dress-Code-for-Public-Wreath-Ceremonies

That's the same as kneeling? False equivalency

[Mungwater 597]

How many people in attendance are in violation of the dress code?

 

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/About/Policies-and-Public-Notices/Dress-Code-for-Public-Wreath-Ceremonies

I don't know if it was an wreath ceremony.

[drobeski 3,061]

How many people in attendance are in violation of the dress code?

 

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/About/Policies-and-Public-Notices/Dress-Code-for-Public-Wreath-Ceremonies

doofus

[penultimatestraw 473]

"To everything spin, spin, there is a season, spin, spin, spin. You guys are right. It's not disrespectful, its showing reverence. Good job! PS-Nobody is buying your bullshit

Why do you think the protesters chose to kneel?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

Why do you think the protesters chose to kneel?

Anti-police. Amongst other things, but mostly that.

[drobeski 3,061]

Anti-police. Amongst other things, but mostly that.

Barry made that popular.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

 

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

 

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

 

Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

 

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

 

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country.

 

Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

 

Just like they do in Korea. #FREEDOM

[Baker Boy 1,699]

 

Former Washington state high school football coach Joe Kennedy, who was fired for kneeling in prayer, reacted to NFL players' national anthem protests.

 

"I can't wrap my brain around it," Kennedy said. "I'm a Marine. I want the same rights for everybody else."

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Just like they do in Korea. #FREEDOM

So you're equating perception from fans/public with a communist govt? Do the players face an anti-aircraft gun if they don't obey?

 

That folks is their mentality. You question their motives with facts (NFL game operations manual) and they call you a racist or oppressive.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

So you're equating perception from fans/public with a communist govt? Do the players face an anti-aircraft gun if they don't obey?

 

That folks is their mentality. You question their motives with facts (NFL game operations manual) and they call you a racist or oppressive.

Well, he didn't go with Nazi Germany. It's a start.

[supermike80 1,906]

Barry made that popular.

Barry sanders??

[giraldi02 474]

That's the same as kneeling? False equivalency

Oh really? See, proper attire is actually listed as a reason to get booted out of there. I don't see anything about kneeling.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Oh really? See, proper attire is actually listed as a reason to get booted out of there. I don't see anything about kneeling.

I haven't been there but I was t aware of a dress code to go visit it. Im are those people didn't either. There's a difference between that and then purposely disrespecting it

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

I haven't been there but I was t aware of a dress code to go visit it. Im are those people didn't either. There's a difference between that and then purposely disrespecting it

Exactly. Giraldis discussions always devolve into some nit pick nonsense.

[giraldi02 474]

I haven't been there but I was t aware of a dress code to go visit it. Im are those people didn't either. There's a difference between that and then purposely disrespecting it

If kneeling to the anthem or taps is disrespect, so is wearing your hat during either too. But I see plenty of people at every one of these sporting events wearing their hats. Hell the damn Packers crowd panned over numerous people drinking their beer or wearing a hat during the anthem.

 

But guess what, that behavior is protected. There is no law in place for etiquette during taps...only the same recommendation as the anthem.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/27/taps-national-song-remembrance/1793559/

 

People tilting over this stuff is beyond comical.

 

The funniest thing to me is how people want forced nationalism, which in turn does more to limit the first amendment than anything I ve ever seen done by anyone to limit the second amendment.

[giraldi02 474]

Exactly. Giraldis discussions always devolve into some nit pick nonsense.

You and your bigoted ilk are losing their sh!t because people kneel during the anthem. You clowns are the epitome of nit pickers

[Djgb13 2,339]

Exactly. Giraldis discussions always devolve into some nit pick nonsense.

Yea I just looked real fast. Didn't see a dress code for anything but a wreath laying ceremony and I don't believe that was one. So the people there were fine dressed as they were. What infuriates me is that whether he knows it or not he's disrespecting soldiers (black, white, Asian, Indian, Spanish, etc) who fought and died to not only give him freedom but also the rest of the world freedom (WWl and WW2). TAPs is played to honor those fallen soldiers. I heard it every night in basic training, every night in tech school, and every night I was on base at 2100. Was taught to think about those who sacrificed themselves during that time and have done so every time I've heard TAPs. I'm not offended by much but something like that DOES offend me and the left (as well as some people here) think I'm not supposed to be offended by anything at all which is stupid. There's a difference between being offended by every single little thing you don't agree with and then being offended by a select few things

[giraldi02 474]

The original woman who posted that picture literally says it's during a wreath ceremony.

 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/09/picture-of-man-kneeling-during-taps-at-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-is-sparking-outrage-following-nfl-protests/

 

 

 

"A must see on our list is always Arlington National Cemetery the changing of the guard ceremony. I get pretty emotional thinking about what it represents. Today we got a chance to see the honor guard placing wreaths in remembrance of fallen military members."

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

You and your bigoted ilk are losing their sh!t because people kneel during the anthem. You clowns are the epitome of nit pickers

Sorry, I'm reading the paper with my feet up and my kid is watching My Little Pony. Hardly losing anything. Those fireworks in trashville stop yet?

[giraldi02 474]

Sorry, I'm reading the paper with my feet up and my kid is watching My Little Pony. Hardly losing anything. Those fireworks in trashville stop yet?

Awww. You still mad I got you banished for a month? Did you come up with that quip during your prolonged absence?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

Awww. You still mad I got you banished for a month? Did you come up with that quip during your prolonged absence?

I lost a bet. That's not being banished. You were right, I was wrong. Don't bank on it happening again. Does your house get good mileage? Lol.

[Djgb13 2,339]

The original woman who posted that picture literally says it's during a wreath ceremony.

 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/09/picture-of-man-kneeling-during-taps-at-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-is-sparking-outrage-following-nfl-protests/

 

 

 

"A must see on our list is always Arlington National Cemetery the changing of the guard ceremony. I get pretty emotional thinking about what it represents. Today we got a chance to see the honor guard placing wreaths in remembrance of fallen military members."

Honestly I'm ok with tourists who had no clue about a dress code and probably didn't know there was a wreath ceremony being able to attend and see it. They are, after all, honoring the fallen. Not trying to disrespect them. I'm sure most levelheaded people are fine with that. It's the blatant disrespect that I and a lot of other people don't like and take offense to. I'd rather be actually offended by blatant disrespect than offended over something like the word "mankind" because it isn't "gender neutral".