SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 Same reason they don't want the memo released; the takedown of Trump stops at that point. The use of the Dossier (paid for by FBI, HRC, DNC, BHO) to get FISA warrant makes entire case unprosecuteable. Hell, Mueller even stopped Flynn's sentencing over this. Who was the target of the Fisa warrant, I mean whose name is on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 2, 2018 Why is that relevant? And did Hillary hide much (or the dnc)? What cinn cation did the FBI actually have? Why did the Trump campaign try to hide their connection with Russian officials, spies and oligarchs? and there it is, from the guy who famously parrots his whataboutism cry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Who was the target of the Fisa warrant, I mean whose name is on it? One of Trump's campaign therefore Trump Tower was the target. That's why Admiral Rogers visited Trump Nov. 17th, 2016 and Trump moves team out of Trump Tower to one of his properties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Same reason they don't want the memo released; the takedown of Trump stops at that point. The use of the Dossier (paid for by FBI, HRC, DNC, BHO) to get FISA warrant makes entire case unprosecuteable. Hell, Mueller even stopped Flynn's sentencing over this. Clicked to view this and glad I did. Just to point out multiple falsehoods. A. Link to the dossier being used to get a warrant? By all accounts this memo does not even allege that. It was about a renewal of an existing warrant. And by all accounts it was not all that was used as justification. Without underlying documentation...we also dont know what of the dossier was used or of it was part that had been verified or just suspected information. Which would not be improper necessarily. B. Mueller stopped the sentencing over this? Theredoes not appear to be a factual basis for this claim. All we know is sentencing has been delayed...not by who or for what reason. C. Muellers investigation does not stop over this. Even without this warrant and Carter Page...Muellers investigation would have still happened. This is why I have ignored you for a bit now...you post falsehoods and your response will be nothing but a phrase you will pull form elsewhere intended to troll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 and there it is, from the guy who famously parrots his whataboutism cry I answered your question and countered with my own.BTW...one connection isnt necessarily illegal ...the Trump stuff may very well be. Especially if people lied under oath about it and falsified official statements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Why is that relevant? And did Hillary hide much (or the dnc)? What cinn cation did the FBI actually have? Why did the Trump campaign try to hide their connection with Russian officials, spies and oligarchs? So you're okay with the weaponization of the FBI/DOJ to rig the election then start fake investigation? Oligarchs.....same one McCabe has ties to that Mueller/Comey blew off? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 One of Trump's campaign therefore Trump Tower was the target. That's why Admiral Rogers visited Trump Nov. 17th, 2016 and Trump moves team out of Trump Tower to one of his properties. Ill keep replying for now to again point out you factual inaccuracies. Page was the target...not Trump Tower. Page had been a target for years before he was a member of the campaign. Also...admitting he is a member of the campaign will be troublesome for Team Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 So you're okay with the weaponization of the FBI/DOJ to rig the election then start fake investigation? Oligarchs.....same one McCabe has ties to that Mueller/Comey blew off? You start with a falsehood again. Youre struggling there little buddy. Rig the election...weaponizing. Oof Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Clicked to view this and glad I did. Just to point out multiple falsehoods. A. Link to the dossier being used to get a warrant? By all accounts this memo does not even allege that. It was about a renewal of an existing warrant. And by all accounts it was not all that was used as justification. Without underlying documentation...we also dont know what of the dossier was used or of it was part that had been verified or just suspected information. Which would not be improper necessarily. B. Mueller stopped the sentencing over this? Theredoes not appear to be a factual basis for this claim. All we know is sentencing has been delayed...not by who or for what reason. C. Muellers investigation does not stop over this. Even without this warrant and Carter Page...Muellers investigation would have still happened. This is why I have ignored you for a bit now...you post falsehoods and your response will be nothing but a phrase you will pull form elsewhere intended to troll. I couldn't care less if you ignore me because there is no debating with you. You are the most closed minded individual here. The memo will contain how the Dossier was used to get the FISA (1st request was denied). It was also used to explain the use of 'about queries' 702s that Adm. Rogers shut down. Once those were shutdown the conspirators sought the FISA to resume spying. The case against Trump suffered a fatal wound with these revelations. If they release the memo, everyone that went after Trump/Russia is going to see they were part of the biggest corruption in American history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 One of Trump's campaign therefore Trump Tower was the target. That's why Admiral Rogers visited Trump Nov. 17th, 2016 and Trump moves team out of Trump Tower to one of his properties. Sorry, but which person on Trump's campaign? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Ill keep replying for now to again point out you factual inaccuracies. Page was the target...not Trump Tower. Page had been a target for years before he was a member of the campaign. Also...admitting he is a member of the campaign will be troublesome for Team Trump. Do you trust NSA Director Mike Rogers? If Trump Tower wasn't the target then why did Trump move out the day after Rogers visits him? Why did Clapper immediately call for his firing following his visit to Trump? That alone indicates Clapper was a co-conspirator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 I couldn't care less if you ignore me because there is no debating with you. You are the most closed minded individual here. The memo will contain how the Dossier was used to get the FISA (1st request was denied). It was also used to explain the use of 'about queries' 702s that Adm. Rogers shut down. Once those were shutdown the conspirators sought the FISA to resume spying. The case against Trump suffered a fatal wound with these revelations. If they release the memo, everyone that went after Trump/Russia is going to see they were part of the biggest corruption in American history. It was not to get the warrant. It was a renewal. If you are admitting it was about Page...you know he was under previous fisa surveillance. You are deliberately obfuscating this as Im betting the memo will as well. Thats the concern of Wray and Schiff and others as well. Page info doesnt change anything about Muellers case. Nothing. And you calling me closed minded is funny given your posts Chief. You will admit none of this that you were wrong about. Just as with previous topics. You were ignored for being unable to discuss things and just trolling. I may keep discussing...but the plan is to back away from politics once this memo comes out and is discussed a bit and enjoy the other topics of the board. Wont completely leave them alone...but no need to keep proving you all wrong so often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Sorry, but which person on Trump's campaign? Read my reply to Sho. Reference Trump Tower and Rogers' visit. Clapper then called for his firing because he tipped off Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Do you trust NSA Director Mike Rogers? If Trump Tower wasn't the target then why did Trump move out the day after Rogers visits him? Why did Clapper immediately call for his firing following his visit to Trump? That alone indicates Clapper was a co-conspirator. Show me a Rogers quote stating what you are claiming. And co conspirator for that? Odd...youd have many of Trumps people as I conspirators if calling for a firing is all the evidence needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Read my reply to Sho. Reference Trump Tower and Rogers' visit. Clapper then called for his firing because he tipped off Trump. Your posts dont answer his question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 Read my reply to Sho. Reference Trump Tower and Rogers' visit. Clapper then called for his firing because he tipped off Trump. Ok your reply to Sho doesn't reference the person's name. Who was it? I'd rather think the people supporting the Memo know the names of the person if this is a serious exercise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 You guys are trusting that the people guilty of illegally using our NSA and FISA system actually followed the rules everywhere else i.e. when Page was with Campaign? If the FISA was on just one person, then why didn't the surveillance of Trump Tower stop when that person left campaign? Was Page even on campaign when the extension was granted? If not, how do you explain the surveiilance on Trump Tower? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 2, 2018 Hasn't the fisa court already condemned these same groups for abusing the system ? Why is this huge fact being left out of the discussion ? Saints ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 You guys are trusting that the people guilty of illegally using our NSA and FISA system actually followed the rules everywhere else i.e. when Page was with Campaign? If the FISA was on just one person, then why didn't the surveillance of Trump Tower stop when that person left campaign? Was Page even on campaign when the extension was granted? If not, how do you explain the surveiilance on Trump Tower? Is Page the person whose FISA warrant is the subject of the memo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 Haven't read the thread, what's this all about? Hillary, DNC, Fusion GPS, top people in Obama's DOJ/FBI, MSM all conspired to to spy on a presidential candidate, interfere with an election, and destroy a presidency. Now Dems love law enforcement and spying on innocent American citizens. Low information people claim on one hand the memo is a nothing burger and the other hand that it is a threat to national security and democracy. People will be going to jail and/or committing suicide. Lots of people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Show me a Rogers quote stating what you are claiming. And co conspirator for that? Odd...youd have many of Trumps people as I conspirators if calling for a firing is all the evidence needed If you're truly open minded..... https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVwyoj3RaEt0ANGtx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNTJqZzNsBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjQ1ODRfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1517617193/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2f2017%2f03%2f03%2foccams-razor-did-nsa-admiral-mike-rogers-warn-trump-on-november-17th-2016%2f/RK=2/RS=.TCQVTYpHCXeJYFz_FbhsvNUqoM- Next day Trump bails out of Trump Tower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 Hasn't the fisa court already condemned these same groups for abusing the system ? Why is this huge fact being left out of the discussion ? Saints ? I think it's relevant. But the memo or even the claims of HSCI GOP have to reach there first. I haven't heard even Nunes claim this is NSA related. I'd also keep in mind that Nunes and many others supporting the memo just voted for an unreformed sec. 702. The only reforms have been internal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 Why is that relevant? And did Hillary hide much (or the dnc)? What cinn cation did the FBI actually have? Why did the Trump campaign try to hide their connection with Russian officials, spies and oligarchs? lol up until this post you have denied that Hillary had anything to do with Fusion GPS. what changed? Very Unstable Idiot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Is Page the person whose FISA warrant is the subject of the memo? Dunno because the memo hasn't been released. April 2017... the abuse of FISA was declassified. Unprecidented abuses by Obama admin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 Dunno because the memo hasn't been released. April 2017... the abuse of FISA was declassified. Unprecidented abuses by Obama admin. Ok let's await the memo then, but I think that would apply to both of us. I'm doing this it's true but you also are speaking of a FISA warrant and we don't know anything about which one they're referring to yet, or more than one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 Hasn't the fisa court already condemned these same groups for abusing the system ? Why is this huge fact being left out of the discussion ? Saints ? Yes, there is a 99 page FISC memo released last April discussing the abuse of the system by FBI/DOJ/contractors under Obama admin. Sho and Saints got their new talking points. "Who was Carter Page?" Lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,711 Posted February 2, 2018 The media industry’s decades-old crusade for transparency ended this week as liberal pundits from a variety of news organizations called for the controversial memo on alleged FBI abuses to stay private. Talking heads on both CNN and MSNBC, as well as editorial boards from the prestigious New York Times and Washington Post have all come out against the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence memo that potentially reveals the FBI abused spying authorities and paints government officials as anti-Trump. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/02/media-s-longtime-crusade-for-transparency-ends-with-nunes-memo-as-post-remains-in-theaters.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 2, 2018 I think it's relevant. But the memo or even the claims of HSCI GOP have to reach there first. I haven't heard even Nunes claim this is NSA related. I'd also keep in mind that Nunes and many others supporting the memo just voted for an unreformed sec. 702. The only reforms have been internal. so we know these same players have already been proven guilty of fisa abuses, be we are supposed to believe that they changed their devious ways and went by the book with team trump ?Gtfo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,996 Posted February 2, 2018 Your added word changed the content of my words. When I say I posted something...it doesnt mean I posted the same link...because I hadnt. I had posted the general subject of what was in the link. You claimed otherwise...then called me a liar. I proved otherwise...then you claimed I was lying when I said I posted the (link) which I mever actually said that a I posted. You were wrong...rather than admit to it...yiu continues to make ###### up and call me a liar (like you do often). Your full of ######. Bye now... Which back to my original argument you believe and only post articles with anonymous sources. Why do you lie constantly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 749 Posted February 2, 2018 so we know these same players have already been proven guilty of fisa abuses, be we are supposed to believe that they changed their devious ways and went by the book with team trump ? Gtfo You don't have to believe it, I'm saying even Trump's supporters in Congress haven't claimed that. That's not Nunes' theory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVwyoj3RaEt0ANGtx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNTJqZzNsBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjQ1ODRfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1517617193/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2f2017%2f03%2f03%2foccams-razor-did-nsa-admiral-mike-rogers-warn-trump-on-november-17th-2016%2f/RK=2/RS=.TCQVTYpHCXeJYFz_FbhsvNUqoM- Read up on Admiral Mike Rogers. He stopped those abuses of 702 queries and ordered audit. This cut off the information flow to Fusion GPS (FBI cotractor with access to raw intel at that time) and the Dems. Just a week or so before audit is complete DOJ National Security officer Carlin informs FISA of abuses then abruptly resigns BEFORE Hillary loses election. He was primed for success but suddenly exits stage left before music stops. https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT8u_knRaskcA3Oxx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNDY1dmV1BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjQ1ODRfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1517617983/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2f2018%2f01%2f05%2foperation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis%2f/RK=2/RS=iNyOS2zpo4K6FIBzNBri.Sln2ao- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 You guys are trusting that the people guilty of illegally using our NSA and FISA system actually followed the rules everywhere else i.e. when Page was with Campaign? If the FISA was on just one person, then why didn't the surveillance of Trump Tower stop when that person left campaign? Was Page even on campaign when the extension was granted? If not, how do you explain the surveiilance on Trump Tower? Link to this surveillance on Trump Tower...and actual link to this...not some Trump campaign claiming it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 2, 2018 Rep Mark Meadows sums it all up well with the following series of tweets "THREAD: Because through all the memo news and headlines, its critical to remember why this issue is important and why it should matter to everyday Americans. What this issue is all about: whether the Department of Justice and FBI, under President Obama, abused their surveillance authority against American citizens and political opponents. Put another way: was the Obama DOJ weaponized to spy on the Trump campaign? Remember, in general, the DOJ and FBI spying on American citizens should automatically be met with MAJOR skepticism. Thats what the Fourth Amendment is designed to protect against. When those American citizens are ALSO political opponents? It should raise even more red flags. So, take that principle, and look at what happened in this case. The DOJ spied on Carter Page, an American citizen. Red flag. Carter Page was also part of the Trump campaign. Double red flag. It should automatically raise questions. Now, pause: we know about the Peter Strzok/Lisa Page texts, the missing texts, the McCabe concerns, etc. But this is about more. Focus on the dossier herethe political opposition research project put together by Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, and the DNC by extension. Quite simply: This infamous Russian Dossier was unverified political opposition research paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC. If the Department of Justice used information like that as a key part of getting a surveillance warrant, it would be a HUGE problem. Now, from what weve already known for months, it sure looks like thats exactly what happened: that the FBI used that very dossier to get a warrant. @Jim_Jordan asked the FBI about it 2 months ago. I asked too. We asked for the FISA application, and the FBI wouldnt show us. Weve asked repeatedly for information from the FBI, both privately and publicly. Weve openly told FBI and DOJ officialsif were wrong, tell us! Tell us what was in the FISA application. Let us see the document. But weve been stonewalled for almost a year. So the bottom line is this: if, in 2016, the DOJ and FBI used an unverified, Clinton/DNC paid-for dossier to spy on American citizens (and political opponents) in the Trump campaign, that is as wrong as it gets. If that happened, Americans deserve to know about it. Period. I know we live in a hyper-partisan environment, and I know it can be easy to disregard any inquiry like this as party politics. I understand that. But this is so far above politics, folks. Lady Justice wears a blindfold. Her scale is supposed to be balanced. If any Department of Justice, Republican or Democrat, put their thumb on the scale for the sake of politicsit would undermine the very fabric of who we are as a nation. Americans deserve the truth, one way or the other. Last point: If you remember anything from this news cycle, remember: your right as an American to privacy from your government spying on you is critical. It is foundational to who we are as a Republic. Never take that right for granted, no matter the political party you belong to." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 lol up until this post you have denied that Hillary had anything to do with Fusion GPS. what changed? Very Unstable Idiot Not quite...ive denied your bogus claim that she paid Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Yes, there is a 99 page FISC memo released last April discussing the abuse of the system by FBI/DOJ/contractors under Obama admin. Sho and Saints got their new talking points. "Who was Carter Page?" Lol. Talking points...again. You are full of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Which back to my original argument you believe and only post articles with anonymous sources. Why do you lie constantly? You ignore what I actually posted.Im done with your lies to attack me. Fock off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Link to this surveillance on Trump Tower...and actual link to this...not some Trump campaign claiming it. Explain the sudden exodus from Trump Tower one day after Rogers' visit. Also the requested firing of Adm. Rogers following that visit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Explain the sudden exodus from Trump Tower one day after Rogers' visit. Also the requested firing of Adm. Rogers following that visit. So its alljust soeculative with no actual proof of your claim. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 So its alljust soeculative with no actual proof of your claim. Thanks At some point it's stops being coincidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted February 2, 2018 At some point it's stops being coincidence. I thought Slo Tard blocked you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
