SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 FBI investigation based on: -guy drinking beers and shooting the , mentions he heard Russia may have Hillary's emails -another guy who years earlier was spied on as a possible Russian agent (yet apparently was innocent as no charges were ever brought) is mentioned in Steele dossier that he... OMG.... took a trip to Moscow. No other details of where he went or who he met -dossier and MSM articles produced and paid for by Hillary campaign, DNC, and FBI themselves Am I leaving anything out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 There is the rub. If they didn't want this memo released, you think they want the dossier, the warrants, everything released. They have just cut the balls off the Mueller investigation. So...no answer to the questions...fair enough. Ill move on to this. How does this do anything to the Mueller investigation? Do you believe the Mueller investigation was based on the warrant for Carter Page? Do you believe the Mueller investigation was based on the dossier? This has zero effect on Mueller...that much is very clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 476 Posted February 2, 2018 Kid Rock's biggest fan is on full tilt. I bet he had a veggie platter all set up for his memo release party too. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted February 2, 2018 So Hillary worked with Steele and the Russian government to spy on a political opponent. Wow how the tables have turned. Lock the up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 FBI investigation based on: -guy drinking beers and shooting the ######, mentions he heard Russia may have Hillary's emails -another guy who years earlier was spied on as a possible Russian agent (yet apparently was innocent as no charges were ever brought) is mentioned in Steele dossier that he... OMG.... took a trip to Moscow. No other details of where he went or who he met -dossier and MSM articles produced and paid for by Hillary campaign, DNC, and FBI themselves Am I leaving anything out? That you are spinning actual facts...spinning even a memo that is full of pretty much spun up stuff. So yeah...you are leaving a lot out...truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 No, that's not what I'm taking from this. I'm just pointing out that he is not a footnote as you claimed but the whole subject matter of the memo. I'd be glad to discuss my takeaway from the memo. By primary takeaway is that if the claims are serious then I would expect that Gates will not seek a plea deal but will instead seek to have indictment overturned immediately. Same goes with Manafort. Do you agree with that? Agreed and Flynn as well as Pappadopolis charges vacated. Secondly the Mueller investigation ends immediately. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 We need to start thinking about Rico statute. Plenty of evidence of a conspiracy here and you could charge them all. Everyone that was involved gets charged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted February 2, 2018 So...no answer to the questions...fair enough. Ill move on to this. How does this do anything to the Mueller investigation? Do you believe the Mueller investigation was based on the warrant for Carter Page? Do you believe the Mueller investigation was based on the dossier? This has zero effect on Mueller...that much is very clear. I am not sure "complete" is enough to describe your denial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 476 Posted February 2, 2018 Seriously, I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. Nunes should get a starring role in his own comedy special. What a clown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Senate Intel vice chairman @MarkWarner on the #memo: "Unlike almost every House member who voted in favor of this memo's release, I have actually read the underlying documents on which the memo was based. They simply do not support its conclusions.” https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/959486766003744769 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,996 Posted February 2, 2018 There is the rub. If they didn't want this memo released, you think they want the dossier, the warrants, everything released. They have just cut the balls off the Mueller investigation. Shut it down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 I am not sure "complete" is enough to describe your denial. So...again...no answer to the question. It shouldn't be hard since you are proclaiming so strongly that this ends Mueller. Explain it...just try for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,655 Posted February 2, 2018 So...which side does this memo favor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 2,027 Posted February 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/959486766003744769 Color me shocked that a Democrat said this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 So...which side does this memo favor? Do you want reality or delusion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,541 Posted February 2, 2018 Seriously the FBI betrayal of the public's trust is only rivaled by Judas' betrayal of Jesus, and really maybe not even that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Color me shocked that a Democrat said this. You mean someone who actually read the documentation...unlike Devin Nunes? How about another democrat? Can't refute it so claim its just because he is a democrat? No worries...Im sure Wray will have his say too. https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=350 “The authors of the GOP memo would like the country to believe that the investigation began with Christopher Steele and the dossier, and if they can just discredit Mr. Steele, they can make the whole investigation go away regardless of the Russians’ interference in our election or the role of the Trump campaign in that interference. This ignores the inconvenient fact that the investigation did not begin with, or arise from Christopher Steele or the dossier, and that the investigation would persist on the basis of wholly independent evidence had Christopher Steele never entered the picture. There is a ton in this reply for Schiff which is just a brutal takedown of Nunes (not that you all will admit it). But I posted this quote for those thinking this ends Mueller. You all are nuts thinking that and calling it my denial shows your own ignorance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 So...which side does this memo favor? Who was trying to suppress the memo and who is trying to discredit it? There is your answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,996 Posted February 2, 2018 So...which side does this memo favor? Truth and justice 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Who was trying to suppress the memo and who is trying to discredit it? There is your answer. It discredits itself and the GOP narrative that the dossier started the investigation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 2,027 Posted February 2, 2018 Board libs are blind to McCabe's testimony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 For those new to the thread or too lazy to search out and read the memo, here is a summary: * The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page. * Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information. * The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications. * DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president. The FBI and Justice Department mounted a monthslong effort to keep the information outlined in the memo out of the House Intelligence Committee's hands. Only the threat of contempt charges and other forms of pressure forced the FBI and Justice to give up the material. Once Intelligence Committee leaders and staff compiled some of that information into the memo, the FBI and Justice Department, supported by Capitol Hill Democrats, mounted a ferocious campaign of opposition, saying release of the memo would endanger national security and the rule of law. But Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes never wavered in his determination to make the information available to the public. President Trump agreed, and, as required by House rules, gave his approval for release. Finally, the memo released today does not represent the sum total of what House investigators have learned in their review of the FBI and Justice Department Trump-Russia investigation. That means the fight over the memo could be replayed in the future when the Intelligence Committee decides to release more information. The haters will say none of that is relevant, or none of that is corroborated, or none of that has anything to do with Mueller, etc. I recommend reading it and making your own conclusions. Here is WaPo link to the full memo: https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-gop-memo/2746/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted February 2, 2018 Board libs are blind to McCabe's testimony. If you want to see full blown mental illness go check out these guys: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/753528-the-russia-investigation-nunes-memo-is-huge-letdown/?page=1403 (is that the same Sho that posts here?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Any more shoes hit the floor and we will be line dancing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Board libs are blind to McCabe's testimony. Seems you are blind...democrats are contending he did not represent McCabe's testimony accurately and are calling for the release of the transcript. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 756 Posted February 2, 2018 Agreed and Flynn as well as Pappadopolis charges vacated. Secondly the Mueller investigation ends immediately. Ok good, let's shake on it there. IMO if the courts did do that then I would support steps to halt or end the investigation. So, again, IMO the way to do this is for the targets of the investigation to bring it to Mueller's court where the grand jury is underway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 If you want to see full blown mental illness go check out these guys: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/753528-the-russia-investigation-nunes-memo-is-huge-letdown/?page=1403 (is that the same Sho that posts here?) As if you didn't know I was....they are taking it apart as they should. BTW...you always run away from the question...who was it you were at FBG before you got banned and why are you afraid to share that. You can message me directly if you wish rather than posting it in public...I won't share with the board. My guess is you won't tell me honestly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Ok good, let's shake on it there. IMO if the courts did do that then I would support steps to halt or end the investigation. So, again, IMO the way to do this is for the targets of the investigation to bring it to Mueller's court where the grand jury is underway. Not the current grand jury he has empaneled...totally new one away from DC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Criminal refferal needed......RICO-LA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1 52s53 seconds ago Top Senate and House Dems have written to Trump, warning him against using the Nunes memo as a justification for firing Rosenstein or Mueller, saying they'd view it as attempted obstruction and that it'd cause a constitutional crisis not seen since the Saturday Night Massacre. If Trump uses this to act on Rosenstein and Mueller...democrats are ready to fight it hard...and I would bet they will Republican support. This memo is doing the opposite of what you Trump guys hoped (as predicted...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 2,027 Posted February 2, 2018 Seems you are blind...democrats are contending he did not represent McCabe's testimony accurately and are calling for the release of the transcript. Realease it, then. Release everything related to Uranium 1, The Clinton Foundation finances, the Trump/Russia investigation, the DNC/Bernie situation. Release it all for the citizens to see. Only a truly sh*tty American would put a political party above the good of the country. I want everyone involved with weaponizing the Government against it's citizens to be sent to jail. I don't care if they are Democrat or Republican. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Oh...too much opinions of democrats...ok...lets try this guy. https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888 As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 756 Posted February 2, 2018 Not the current grand jury he has empaneled...totally new one away from DC Wait - full stop. - The Fisa argument isn't brought to the grand jury, it's brought to the judge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted February 2, 2018 If Trump uses this to act on Rosenstein and Mueller... Why would he? Better to let Mueller keep going now that the FBI's credibility is in play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 2, 2018 Why would he? Better to let Mueller keep going now that the FBI's credibility is in play. It really isn't in play. Nunes' credibility is done. Toast. There will likely be a push to have him removed from the committee. Step away from Fox for a bit and read whats going on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 2, 2018 Wait - full stop. - The Fisa argument isn't brought to the grand jury, it's brought to the judge. I assumed we were talking about criminal referrals for the abuses in FISAs i.e. Mccabe, Rosenstein, Comey, Strzok, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 562 Posted February 2, 2018 People People PEOPLE...there are "numerous unconfirmed sources" calling Trump a liar. Obviously the Dems got the goods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted February 2, 2018 It really isn't in play. If you believe McCabe stepped down to spend more time with his family, then I suppose you'll believe it isn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 756 Posted February 2, 2018 I assumed we were talking about criminal referrals for the abuses in FISAs i.e. Mccabe, Rosenstein, Comey, Strzok, etc. Oh, no, I meant the indictments already underway. If the evidence against these folks - Flynn, Papadopoulas, Manafort and Gates - was illegally gathered or just lies to begin with they should immediately take it to the court that indicted them, don't you think? If they do that, and the judge agrees with them, the investigation is over. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,711 Posted February 2, 2018 Here are some key points from the memo: * The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page. * Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information. * The four FISA surveillance applications were signed by, in various combinations, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente, and Rod Rosenstein. * The FBI authorized payments to Steele for work on the dossier. The FBI terminated its agreement with Steele in late October when it learned, by reading an article in Mother Jones, that Steele was talking to the media. * The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications. * DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
