Release the FISA memo

[drobeski 3,061]

Remember snuffles proclaiming Steele as credible ?

 

official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Just breaking trump released it

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

Rep Mark Meadows sums it all up well with the following series of tweets

 

"THREAD: Because through all the memo news and headlines, its critical to remember why this issue is important and why it should matter to everyday Americans. What this issue is all about: whether the Department of Justice and FBI, under President Obama, abused their surveillance authority against American citizens and political opponents. Put another way: was the Obama DOJ weaponized to spy on the Trump campaign? Remember, in general, the DOJ and FBI spying on American citizens should automatically be met with MAJOR skepticism. Thats what the Fourth Amendment is designed to protect against. When those American citizens are ALSO political opponents? It should raise even more red flags. So, take that principle, and look at what happened in this case. The DOJ spied on Carter Page, an American citizen. Red flag. Carter Page was also part of the Trump campaign. Double red flag. It should automatically raise questions.

 

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Ok, so I guess people got the idea that Carter Page is the subject of the memo from Mark Meadows.

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

Rep Mark Meadows sums it all up well with the following series of tweets

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So the bottom line is this: if, in 2016, the DOJ and FBI used an unverified, Clinton/DNC paid-for dossier to spy on American citizens (and political opponents) in the Trump campaign, that is as wrong as it gets.

 

If that happened, Americans deserve to know about it. Period.

 

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"If"? If? I thought the memo explains what happened? Or no?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Ok, so I guess people got the idea that Carter Page is the subject of the memo from Mark Meadows.

The subject of the memo is the FISA abuse and who knows what else. Carter page is a footnote to it

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

 

official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

 

Ohr disclosed Steele's bias to the DOJ?

 

Why wouldn't he hide it?

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

The subject of the memo is the FISA abuse and who knows what else. Carter page is a footnote to it

 

Ok to be clear - "Fisa abuse" means a warrant or warrants were improperly issued authorizing surveillance of a certain person or persons.

[Mike Honcho 5,540]

[Sho Nuff 720]

At some point it's stops being coincidence.

Coming from the guy denying Russian involvement in ththe election and within the Trump campaign (for which there is far more evidence than what your claiming)...this is funny.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Remember snuffles proclaiming Steele as credible ?

 

official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

Steele is credible despite this attempted hatchet job yes.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

So, who will be the first to start a new thread about the actual memo?

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

... Carter page is a footnote to it

 

Are you sure about this?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Ok to be clear - "Fisa abuse" means a warrant or warrants were improperly issued authorizing surveillance of a certain person or persons.

AND use of knowingly unverified infomation before the FISA court.

[SenatorRock 708]

Not quite...ive denied your bogus claim that she paid Russia.

So you concede that Hillary paid FUsion GPS?

[Sho Nuff 720]

The subject of the memo is the FISA abuse and who knows what else. Carter page is a footnote to it

FISA abuse and using Page as the main example...correct?

[SenatorRock 708]

Steele is credible despite this attempted hatchet job yes.

lol

 

Steele is quoted as saying "I hate Trump. He will not be president" (paraphrasing)

[Sho Nuff 720]

So you concede that Hillary paid FUsion GPS?

I concede the DNC paid a law firm who paid Fusion. have I ever denied that?

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

AND use of knowingly unverified infomation before the FISA court.

 

Ok, but again, as to whom?

 

I am only dwelling on this because if the DOJ took the dossier, and nothing else, and plunked that down in front of the FISC for a warrant on Trump himself or "Trump Tower" (ie actually appearing on the warrant) I would agree with you.

 

But if the DOJ took a variety of corroborating evidence, which could include (among many other things) information gleaned from the dossier but independently verified (yaknow, because it turned out to be true), on a particular person who was previously thought to have contact with foreign spies, then no I likely am not going to agree with you.

[Cdub100 3,996]

https://web.archive.org/web/20180202171802/http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

 

Here it is

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Coming from the guy denying Russian involvement in ththe election and within the Trump campaign (for which there is far more evidence than what your claiming)...this is funny.

We know now the Russian involvement was paid for HRC, DNC, FBI for the Dossier. Do you deny that?

[Sho Nuff 720]

lol

 

Steele is quoted as saying "I hate Trump. He will not be president" (paraphrasing)

Quoted and paraphrasing?

Dude...

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Ok, but again, as to whom?

 

I am only dwelling on this because if the DOJ took the dossier, and nothing else, and plunked that down in front of the FISC for a warrant on Trump himself or "Trump Tower" (ie actually appearing on the warrant) I would agree with you.

 

But if the DOJ took a variety of corroborating evidence, which could include (among many other things) information gleaned from the dossier but independently verified (yaknow, because it turned out to be true), on a particular person who was previously thought to have contact with foreign spies, then no I likely am not going to agree with you.

Exactly this.

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

...Carter page is a footnote to it

 

FF, the whole thing is about the Carter Page Fisa.

[Sho Nuff 720]

We know now the Russian involvement was paid for HRC, DNC, FBI for the Dossier. Do you deny that?

Yes I deny this BS you are using to deflect from your denial of Trump campaign officials many contacts and lies with Russian officials and yiur denial into Russian involvement via hacking the DNC, voter roll attempts and other active measures as agreed upon by the intelligence community including Trumps own CIA director.

[SenatorRock 708]

Re: Carter Page

 

His FISA warrant was based on Yahoo article, that was based on Fusion GPS dossier, which was paid for by Hillary Clinton

 

Lol.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

But if the DOJ took a variety of corroborating evidence, which could include (among many other things) information gleaned from the dossier but independently verified (yaknow, because it turned out to be true), on a particular person who was previously thought to have contact with foreign spies, then no I likely am not going to agree with you.

If that corroborating evidence included evidence from the dossier (whether verified or not) even if acquired outside of the dossier the warrant could be tainted.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

FF, the whole thing is about the Carter Page Fisa.

Yes and the first complaint thatbtje application did not mention the dnc and Fusion. Yeah...seems irrelevant to information that may have been already verified as true about Page.

 

The whole thing appears to be about trying to discredit Steele and nothing else.

 

This is, as I expected, extremely underwhelming...and no way the Trump crew here will agree.

 

So sad

[Sho Nuff 720]

Re: Carter Page

 

His FISA warrant was based on Yahoo article, that was based on Fusion GPS dossier, which was paid for by Hillary Clinton

 

Lol.

This is again false.

[drobeski 3,061]

Yes and the first complaint thatbtje application did not mention the dnc and Fusion. Yeah...seems irrelevant to information that may have been already verified as true about Page.

 

The whole thing appears to be about trying to discredit Steele and nothing else.

 

This is, as I expected, extremely underwhelming...and no way the Trump crew here will agree.

 

So sad

you're not still going with Steele as being credible, are you ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

If that corroborating evidence included evidence from the dossier (whether verified or not) even if acquired outside of the dossier the warrant could be tainted.

How would verified information taint the warrant?

[drobeski 3,061]

This is just the tip of the iceberg

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

If that corroborating evidence included evidence from the dossier (whether verified or not) even if acquired outside of the dossier the warrant could be tainted.

 

That would apply to corroborating evidence acquired through a bad warrant, not corroborating evidence brought to acquire a good warrant.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you're not still going with Steele as being credible, are you ?

Yeah...he had bias...bias does not mean incorrect information.

 

But if all this is about Page and Steele...this does nothing and you know it.

This does not affect Mueller at all. Sorry folks...you were duped again.

[Cdub100 3,996]

Yes and the first complaint thatbtje application did not mention the dnc and Fusion. Yeah...seems irrelevant to information that may have been already verified as true about Page.

 

The whole thing appears to be about trying to discredit Steele and nothing else.

 

This is, as I expected, extremely underwhelming...and no way the Trump crew here will agree.

 

So sad

Wow...

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Pretty damning.....names Rosenstein several times, Yates, Comey, Ohr, etc....

 

Steele facing criminal referral in which case he'll spill the beans on whatever else he knows.

[lickin_starfish 2,027]

The memo states that McCabe testified that the FISA warrant would not have been granted were it not for the Steele dossier, paid for by Hillary and the DNC.

 

Start locking 'em up!

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

FF, the whole thing is about the Carter Page Fisa.

THAT'S what you're taking away from this?!!

 

FFS man.....now you're just being willfully ignorant.

 

There's smoking gun after smoking gun against numerous govt. officials in there.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

How would verified information taint the warrant?

How can you verify information that has been illegally obtained? You can't. If you can't figure it out, that's what this is all about.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You guys are shooting your wad on Steele maybe said bad things about trump and may have talked to Yahoo.

And thats without understanding the background info or hearing rebuttal.

 

Ouch...I feel bad for you

[SaintsInDome2006 753]

THAT'S what you're taking away from this?!!

 

FFS man.....now you're just being willfully ignorant.

 

There's smoking gun after smoking gun against numerous govt. officials in there.

 

No, that's not what I'm taking from this. I'm just pointing out that he is not a footnote as you claimed but the whole subject matter of the memo.

 

I'd be glad to discuss my takeaway from the memo. By primary takeaway is that if the claims are serious then I would expect that Gates will not seek a plea deal but will instead seek to have indictment overturned immediately. Same goes with Manafort. Do you agree with that?