Release the FISA memo

[SaintsInDome2006 773]

release it and rid these agencies of the corrupt leadership, jail all the conspirators if warranted. This has been not only a crime against a sitting duly elected president but also against all Americans. Release it all, everything.

The point of the CTH article was that the release was proper because the president was following protocol. Now, not?

[Sho Nuff 720]

How long before Captain Typo's head explodes?

If one of the Trump guys admits they were wrong once this comes out it might explode. But there is zero chance of that.

 

Captain typo...I like it.

[drobeski 3,061]

we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memos accuracy.

 

BTW...this memo has nothing to do with Trumps guilt or innocence.

we ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

we ?

Psst...that was the FBI statement...you know the one run by Trumps hand picked guy that has called out Nunes and Trump over this.

 

But thatbwe includes the FBI, DOJ, and several of Trumps

Lawyers among others that think this is a joke of a memo.

[SenatorRock 708]

Did you guys take the time to read this?

 

This part, I think is accurate. The FBI has stated its opposition to release publicly.

 

What do Trump supporters think if the WH review, following the process above, opposes release of the memo, but the president does it anyway?

Release it. If the FBI/DOJ are abusing the FISA courts to spy on American citizens, presidential candidates of the opposing party no less, then I want to know about it. If they release it and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing then we all move on.

 

If Mueller had evidence, like real actual evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election, would you want it released?

 

 

ETA: Your argument is fake news bullshit anyways. Trump doesn't release anything. Trump approves it. It goes back to HIC and they release it. That is the beauty of the Constitution. Three equal branches of government. I know it has been a while since we have seen that in DC, but it is back baby.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Release it. If the FBI/DOJ are abusing the FISA courts to spy on American citizens, presidential candidates of the opposing party no less, then I want to know about it. If they release it and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing then we all move on.

 

If Mueller had evidence, like real actual evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election, would you want it released?

 

 

ETA: Your argument is fake news bullshit anyways. Trump doesn't release anything. Trump approves it. It goes back to HIC and they release it. That is the beauty of the Constitution. Three equal branches of government. I know it has been a while since we have seen that in DC, but it is back baby.

CarterPage was not a presidential candidate and he was being surveillance because of his actions not connections I Trump.

Muellers investigation is not based on Carter Page...without this warrant...it would still exist.

This memo wont turn out like you think...one of two things will happen...you will move on to your next bogus conspiracy like this never happened. You will claim its all bad for democrats anyway even if the facts say otherwise.

[SenatorRock 708]

I will give these guys credit for one thing for sure. Theyve got everyone stepping and fetching so badly about how the information was obtained that nobody's talking about the actual information itself. Specifically, why Trump lied about it being about adoptions when's obviously was not.

lol

 

day late and 100 points short

 

the russian lawyer was a fusion gps plant. she met with fusion before meeting trump jr and after meeting trump jr

 

not to mention, since when do people care about oppo research?

 

Hillary paid millions to fusion gps for russian research.

 

 

congrats on fishing me with a 6 month old talking point though, you are a damn pro

[Sho Nuff 720]

lol

 

day late and 100 points short

 

the russian lawyer was a fusion gps plant. she met with fusion before meeting trump jr and after meeting trump jr

 

not to mention, since when do people care about oppo research?

 

Hillary paid millions to fusion gps for russian research.

 

 

congrats on fishing me with a 6 month old talking point though, you are a damn pro

Fusion GPS plant now...yeah, you should read up more in this lawyer. After tha how about israel talking again about thenintel he leaked...next the spies his admin just had in.

 

As for talking points...its all you post...like word for word talking points of the Trump admin. Quite funny.

[SenatorRock 708]

If Trump’s Guilty, Why’s Everyone Afraid of This Memo?

 

Bingo.

 

The memo merely summarizes what the FBI/DOJ/Fusion GPS/FISA courts and a few others did in 2016 to catch Trump colluding with Russia.

 

If Trump did in fact collude with Russia then this is LITERALLY THE EVIDENCE OF THAT COLLUSION!

 

Yet for some odd reason none of the left or MSM want to see it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Bingo.

 

The memo merely summarizes what the FBI/DOJ/Fusion GPS/FISA courts and a few others did in 2016 to catch Trump colluding with Russia.

 

If Trump did in fact collude with Russia then this is LITERALLY THE EVIDENCE OF THAT COLLUSION!

 

Yet for some odd reason none of the left or MSM want to see it.

It does what now?

You are off youre rocker.

[SaintsInDome2006 773]

Release it. If the FBI/DOJ are abusing the FISA courts to spy on American citizens, presidential candidates of the opposing party no less, then I want to know about it. If they release it and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing then we all move on.

 

If Mueller had evidence, like real actual evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election, would you want it released?

 

 

ETA: Your argument is fake news bullshit anyways. Trump doesn't release anything. Trump approves it. It goes back to HIC and they release it. That is the beauty of the Constitution. Three equal branches of government. I know it has been a while since we have seen that in DC, but it is back baby.

 

Thanks as always for the response but to be clear I was responding to this article.

 

 

The normal review for any declassification request is a review by the National Security Council, the Office of Legal Counsel (all depts); all impacted cabinet officials; all heads of potentially impacted national security departments (DOJ-NSD, FBI Counterintelligence, NSA, CIA, State, DoD etc.); along with the White House Chief-of-Staff (General Kelly).

That review complete, it’s now up to the Chief Executive, President Trump, to sign off and release. This is the formal process, and this is the process that has been followed.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 773]

...

 

If Mueller had evidence, like real actual evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election, would you want it released?

...

 

 

- Btw, just so you know where I'm coming from, in response to this: no.

 

Mueller has a means to show his evidence - in court, in indictments or filings. That's where it belongs.

 

As far as Congress is concerned I think the committees working on this should issue joint reports when their investigations are over. That would be my preference, but it's clear it's not happening, though Senate Intel may pull it off, we'll see.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

- Btw, just so you know where I'm coming from, in response to this: no.

 

Mueller has a means to show his evidence - in court, in indictments or filings. That's where it belongs.

 

As far as Congress is concerned I think the committees working on this should issue joint reports when their investigations are over. That would be my preference, but it's clear it's not happening, though Senate Intel may pull it off, we'll see.

what are you afraid of ?

[SaintsInDome2006 773]

what are you afraid of ?

 

I'm afraid of politicization of civilian processes designed to prevent abuse.

 

Look at the article you posted.

 

all of the correct procedures have been followed.

 

- There is no point of these procedures if the president just ignores them.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,027]

Liberals have gone from hilarious to sad with this. Denial ain't just a river or however that saying goes

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I'm afraid of politicization of civilian processes designed to prevent abuse.

 

Look at the article you posted.

 

 

 

now that's focking funny. Proof of this abuse you're afraid of is whats in the memo! Wtf ...just stop

[SenatorRock 708]

 

Thanks as always for the response but to be clear I was responding to this article.

 

 

Too many different stories from all side. Whoever is attempting to confuse and distract is doing a great job. Everyone has their own agenda and very few people take the time to read up on anything anymore. I am certainly guilty at times. I appreciate you always being even keeled, questioning things, and taking a thorough approach. It reminds me to slow down and double check things.

 

That CTH article seemed to be taking several different issues and throwing them all together, a little hard to follow.

 

This Lawfare article seems pretty simple:

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/little-known-rule-allowed-congress-release-devin-nuness-memo

 

Specifically, the guidance comes from Rule X of the Standing Rules, which governs committees and their jurisdictions. Clause 11 of Rule X covers HPSCI, with paragraph (g) delineating the process the committee can use to disclose classified information if “the public interest would be served by such disclosure.”

Once a member of the committee requests such a vote, the committee shall meet within five days to vote on the matter. (That’s what took place last night when the committee convened to vote on the memo’s release.) If the committee approves the public disclosure of classified information that was submitted to it by the executive branch, and the executive branch asks for the information to remain secret, the committee must notify the president about its decision. (Because of the closed nature of the process, and the disagreement within the executive branch, it’s unclear whether the executive branch made a formal request to keep the memo under wraps, but House Republicans are certainly behaving as if that happened.) From there, another five-day clock begins ticking. Once that five-day window expires, the committee may release the information unless the president “personally in writing” has notified them that the disclosure of the information presents a “threat to the national interest … of such gravity that it outweighs any public interest” in the release.

 

 

My understanding is the memo itself was approved for release by HIC, then the president has 5 days to deny it, then the HIC releases it. So Trump gives it approval, but he is not the one releasing it. If Trump denies it, then it goes to a full House vote to release.

 

This procedure really is a great example of the separation of powers.

 

 

Am I missing something here?

[SenatorRock 708]

Memo for dummies, this Hill (lib rag that pretends to be center) article breaks down what is going on re: FISA, Fusion, Mueller, Memo, Russia, MSM, attempt to discredit Trump after election)

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371929-gop-case-fbi-probe-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton

 

Breaks down the timeline and players involved.

 

Keys of memo:

They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.

“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.

“The FBI allowed itself to be used by Clinton partisans to parlay single-sourced, mostly unverified evidence into a counterintelligence probe with clear weaknesses that weren’t disclosed,” the source added.

Sources in both parties and in law enforcement say the emergence of Steele and his dossier in the summer of 2016 gave the FBI the jolt to open a full counterintelligence probe into alleged Trump-Russia collusion.

Steele, a British intelligence officer for decades, had provided reliable evidence that helped the FBI in a prior foreign corruption case and his early package of information contained multiple allegations of Trump-Russia collusion organized and sourced liked real raw intelligence, sources said.

So the FBI put great credence in Steele’s work product when it approached the courts for legal surveillance authority, even though much of what Steele provided could not be immediately corroborated, the sources said.

Steele was employed by the research firm Fusion GPS, which was in turn being paid to do opposition research on Trump by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

 

 

Another example:

The reason the media contacts raised red flags for both Senate and House GOP investigators is that the FBI used a fall 2016 news story with allegations of Trump-Russia collusion that were similar to Steele’s dossier as evidence to ask the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to issue a surveillance warrant against Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, the sources said.

 

So their basis for the FISA warrant was mostly intel produced by by Fusion GPS, who was paid for by Hillary Clinton.

 

You really can't make this ###### up.

[SaintsInDome2006 773]

 

Too many different stories from all side. Whoever is attempting to confuse and distract is doing a great job. Everyone has their own agenda and very few people take the time to read up on anything anymore. I am certainly guilty at times. I appreciate you always being even keeled, questioning things, and taking a thorough approach. It reminds me to slow down and double check things.

 

That CTH article seemed to be taking several different issues and throwing them all together, a little hard to follow.

 

This Lawfare article seems pretty simple:

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/little-known-rule-allowed-congress-release-devin-nuness-memo

 

 

My understanding is the memo itself was approved for release by HIC, then the president has 5 days to deny it, then the HIC releases it. So Trump gives it approval, but he is not the one releasing it. If Trump denies it, then it goes to a full House vote to release.

 

This procedure really is a great example of the separation of powers.

 

 

Am I missing something here?

 

I think that the CTH (in part, only) lays out the process whereby the president can approve classified material or release.

 

The article you post only speaks of the procedure whereby the HSCI sends such material to the WH in the first place. And it is interesting because it talks about how its procedure came to be, but it consists only of the part where it actually sends the material to the WH and what the WH can do to stop it.

 

 

Despite the careful attention paid to the construction of these procedures, they’ve lain dormant in both chambers since their creation. Even during high-profile recent conflict between Congress and the executive branch over the Senate report on CIA detention and interrogation, there was no formal effort to trigger the process.

...“[The disclosure process] was obviously not meant to be a first resort. But the procedure has sufficient intermediate stages to increase the pressure for accommodation. It requires the president to take personal responsibility for a decision to maintain the secrecy of documents over the intelligence committee’s objections, and to provide an explanation for that decision.” ...

 

- So the rule was created for compelling the WH to explain its reasons for withholding classified information, not for allowing the president to release information over his own branches' objections. No one ever contemplated that being a possibility.

 

Now, I'm not exactly sure where CTH is getting its piece about review by the executive branch, ie the part about "review by the National Security Council, the Office of Legal Counsel (all depts); all impacted cabinet officials; all heads of potentially impacted national security departments (DOJ-NSD, FBI Counterintelligence, NSA, CIA, State, DoD etc.); along with the White House Chief-of-Staff (General Kelly)."

[Sho Nuff 720]

Memo for dummies, this Hill (lib rag that pretends to be center) article breaks down what is going on re: FISA, Fusion, Mueller, Memo, Russia, MSM, attempt to discredit Trump after election)

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371929-gop-case-fbi-probe-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton

 

Breaks down the timeline and players involved.

 

This is one of the keys:

 

 

So their basis for the FISA warrant was an article pushed out by Fusion GPS, who also wrote the dossier that was being used in the warrant request, all of which was paid for by Hillary Clinton.

 

You really can't make this ###### up.

Yet...Republicans appear to be doing just that...making it up.

That article is all based in claims made by people like Nunes.

Yet you buy it hook line and sinker every time.

[SenatorRock 708]

Yet...Republicans appear to be doing just that...making it up.

That article is all based in claims made by people like Nunes.

Yet you buy it hook line and sinker every time.

That is just a summary put together by The Hill.

 

I have seen hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of documents and analysis regarding the matter, which is why I am confident in my take.

 

Maybe CNN is right though, Trump is a Russian spy who rapes Muslim dreamers every night.

 

 

ETA: Obama finally tweets about the memo: http://i68.tinypic.com/2572l1x.jpg

[Sho Nuff 720]

That is just a summary put together by The Hill.

 

I have seen hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of documents and analysis regarding the matter, which is why I am confident in my take.

 

Maybe CNN is right though, Trump is a Russian spy who rapes Muslim dreamers every night.

 

 

ETA: Obama finally tweets about the memo: http://i68.tinypic.com/2572l1x.jpg

Documents regarding a memo...a memo based in information the author didnt read? Sure you have. Ive read your posts in this...your take is quite funny.

You will be disappointed. Hence the fake tweet.

 

What does this memo have to do with CNN?

 

And the Hill link is a summary of? The GOPs talking points...

[SenatorRock 708]

Nunes memo is first of several.

 

https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/959056286443823105

 

 

With the hysteria from the left and MSM over memo 1, I imagine by the time we get through 3 or 4 memos and then the OIG report there will be mass seppuku in America.

 

Sometimes it takes a God Emperor to drain the swamp, sometimes the swamp rats drain themselves.

 

 

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/20/house-intelligence-committee-will-vote-to-release-fisa-corruption-memo/#more-144795

 

Nice overview of the various investigations and upcoming releases (Nunes, Grassley, Goodlatte, Horowitz), lots of citations at bottom for further reading.

 

 

At bottom of link above they give a list of the OIG drops over the last few months:

 

IG Stimulated Releases of Information:

♦Release #1 was the FBI Agent Strzok and Attorney Lisa Page story; and the repercussions from discovering their politically motivated bias in the 2015/2016 Clinton email investigation and 2016/2017 Russian Election investigation.

♦Release #2 outlined the depth of FBI Agent Strzok and FBI Attorney Page’s specific history in the 2016 investigation into Hillary Clinton to include the changing of the wording [“grossly negligent” to “extremely careless”] of the probe outcome delivered by FBI Director James Comey.

♦Release #3 was the information about DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr being in contact with Fusion GPS at the same time as the FISA application was submitted and granted by the FISA court; which authorized surveillance and wiretapping of candidate Donald Trump; that release also attached Bruce Ohr and Agent Strzok directly to the Steele Dossier.

♦Release #4 was information that Deputy Bruce Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, was an actual contract employee of Fusion GPS, and was hired by F-GPS specifically to work on opposition research against candidate Donald Trump. Both Bruce Ohr and Nellie Ohr are attached to the origin of the Christopher Steele Russian Dossier.

♦Release #5 was the specific communication between FBI Agent Strzok and FBI Attorney Page. The 10,000 text messages that included evidence of them both meeting with Asst. FBI Director Andrew McCabe to discuss the “insurance policy” against candidate Donald Trump in August of 2016.

 

 

For those of us who have been paying attention, this is nothing new. OIG has been slowly releasing details of the corruption they are investigating, building a clear picture of exactly what happened. What a time to be alive.

[Mike Honcho 5,543]

Documents regarding a memo...a memo based in information the author didnt read? Sure you have. Ive read your posts in this...your take is quite funny.

You will be disappointed. Hence the fake tweet.

What does this memo have to do with CNN?

And the Hill link is a summary of? The GOPs talking points...

It's funny watching these guys get all excited about fake news.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's funny watching these guys get all excited about fake news.

And then claim the other side is in mass hysteria.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

If it's all lies then why is it classified?

[Sho Nuff 720]

If it's all lies then why is it classified?

Who said its all lies?

[Mr. Hand 482]

And then claim the other side is in mass hysteria.

It’s been mass hysteria since the night Trump won the election.

[Mike Honcho 5,543]

It’s been mass hysteria since the night Trump won the election.

Dogs and cats are living together?

[Cdub100 3,996]

Still waiting in the other thread for you to prove your claims about me or admit you were wrong.

 

Til then...fock off

A source that knows your line of thinking already proved that

[Sho Nuff 720]

A source that knows your line of thinking already proved that

Not at all...what it proved is that you lied about me posty by a link. And then added a word to my post to claim I lied. You were exposed...again.

[Cdub100 3,996]

Not at all...what it proved is that you lied about me posty by a link. And then added a word to my post to claim I lied. You were exposed...again.

I put the added word in brackets to signify I added it for clarification dummy.

 

Just so I'm clear the next time you say you posted something that doesn't mean you actually posted it?

[NorthernVike 2,100]

Haven't read the thread, what's this all about?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I put the added word in brackets to signify I added it for clarification dummy.

 

Just so I'm clear the next time you say you posted something that doesn't mean you actually posted it?

Your added word changed the content of my words.

 

When I say I posted something...it doesnt mean I posted the same link...because I hadnt. I had posted the general subject of what was in the link.

You claimed otherwise...then called me a liar.

I proved otherwise...then you claimed I was lying when I said I posted the (link) which I mever actually said that a I posted.

You were wrong...rather than admit to it...yiu continues to make up and call me a liar (like you do often).

Your full of .

Bye now...

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Any of the left leaners come up with a valid reason for all the demotions and firings? Closing in on double digits for those yet there's no corruption?

 

2nd in command McCabe sh!tcanned within hours of Wray reading this memo despite him threatening to quit up to that day if he was ordered to fire McCabe. The 2nd most important position within the FBI sacked within hours.

 

Clearly he is either ignorant of all the misdeeds the FBI was doing or he's part of the problem at the bureau choosing to hide it's wounds instead of letting it breath and not fester. McCabe was the fire break thus the reason the FBI wants all names removed so they can keep their dynasty intact.

 

If he is ignorant of the scope of this, what else is being withheld? Either way, he appears unfit to lead.

[drobeski 3,061]

Why did the FBI and team clinton try so hard to hid their connection with fusion gps and steele ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Haven't read the thread, what's this all about?

The memo?

Righties: its vindication for Trump and proof the FBI and DOJ and Ibama and Hillary were corrupt.

 

Everyone else: Its a memo detailing the opinions of Devin Nunes in a FISA warrant being renewed . As part of the renewal information from the Steele dossier may have been used as part of it (Nunes and the rightbwill present this as the basis for the warrant and likely fail to understand it was a renewal). Renewal is important to the discussion as it would indicate the initial surveillance was producing results (and Inthink this wasnt the first renewal either). The warrant in question was about Carter Page a suspected Russian spy and began long before a Trump campaign was around (2013 I believe). Im addition, the FBI and DOJ and others have concerns with exposing things that hinder further investigation and cooperation by informants. They have concerns over opinions being presented without the underlying facts included...some of which the author of the memo didnt wven read in the first place. Trumps own DOJ and FBI director strongly oppose this. The democratic rebuttal has been held up by the committee...and they refused to share it with their Senate counterparts (including Republicans).

There is even an accusation that the White House helped craft the memo.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Why did the FBI and team clinton try so hard to hid their connection with fusion gps and steele ?

Same reason they don't want the memo released; the takedown of Trump stops at that point. The use of the Dossier (paid for by FBI, HRC, DNC, BHO) to get FISA warrant makes entire case unprosecuteable.

 

Hell, Mueller even stopped Flynn's sentencing over this.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Why did the FBI and team clinton try so hard to hid their connection with fusion gps and steele ?

Why is that relevant? And did Hillary hide much (or the dnc)? What cinn cation did the FBI actually have?

 

Why did the Trump campaign try to hide their connection with Russian officials, spies and oligarchs?

[drobeski 3,061]

Same reason they don't want the memo released; the takedown of Trump stops at that point. The use of the Dossier (paid for by FBI, HRC, DNC, BHO) to get FISA warrant makes entire case unprosecuteable.

 

Hell, Mueller even stopped Flynn's sentencing over this.

sorry i was hoping for a non logical answer from either saints or sniffles