What if its found out that Obamas state, justice,intelligence depts colluded with russians

[drobeski 3,061]

 

 

Since the Russian investigation blew up in your face, you've been burying your head in the sand ignoring all the actual news.

 

Has any left leaners come up with an explanation why over a dozen senior members of DOJ/FBI have been demoted/fired? Nope.

they feared secret double agent Carter Page would Seth rich them?

[Sho Nuff 719]

The Russian Investigation blew up in my face? Thanks for quoting him drobeski...reaffirming why I ignore Filthy.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

they used Russian sources for the dossier, this was known and ok'd by Obamas state, justice and intelligence depts.

You dont have to call it collusion but it did happen.

As far as collusion with russians by trump campaign, they've yet to show any actual evidence of such.

These are the facts as we currently know them.

 

You can use names to deflect or justify the investigation but it doesn't change where we are at and what is known up until this point.

Dro I just asked you to talk about those sources, who you think they are and how they fit into your theory. It was the first question and it was an opportunity for you to explain things and why it makes sense. Fine, you haven't thought that far, but really it's Level 1 stuff.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

The Russian Investigation blew up in my face? Thanks for quoting him drobeski...reaffirming why I ignore Filthy.

 

Because I point out how delusional and incapable of being honest you are?

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

How about the FISA (alleged) abuses and the unmaskings, nothing there either?

I've said this - I will rely on the IG's findings. I don't think Trump supporters or critics are doing anything but speculating based on their leanings at this point. However right now I see zero need for a Special Counsel and the best thing for anyone under investigation who thinks they had their civil rights violated with the Page FISA is to bring it to FISC itself, which is something they can totally do but haven't.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Fact: The reason libs dig in so hard that Steele's dossier was not intrinisic to any FISA application is because they have to admit DNC/FBI/Obama/Hillary/Russian involvement if it was.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

You've got facts which are real - FBI texts, Kramer pleaded the 5th, DNC payments to Fusion through Perkins - but frankly the conclusions - collusion between DNC and Russia, Obama involvement, agents fixing evidence - don't fit.

 

Agents/Officials did fix evidence.

 

1. McCabe was fired for altering 302s with suggestions that it was in regard to the Flynn interview hence why the FBI initially stated Flynn didn't lie then Mueller charges him later.

2. Michael and Nellie Ohr worked with Fusion GPS.

3. The FISA application itself. It was denied PREVIOUS to the Dossier. Then they added that stuff along with the dubious double sourcing by citing Yahoo's Isakoff's reporting when he was fed info from Steele a.k.a. same source. Only then it was approved and remember McCabe's own testimony that the application wouldn't have been sought without the Dossier (why? because it had already been shot down possibly twice).

 

Obama was involved. Text indicating 'POTUS wants to know all that we're doing". HRC email case was closed and Weiner's laptop had not been discovered yet. It was about the Russian investigation i.e. the Trump spying. Also, reference the Jan. 5th, 2017 meeting with Comey (that he failed to disclose to Congress). Obama was neck deep in this.

 

As far as the DNC colluding with Russians. Well we know they colluded with some foreign actor(s) because Sid B. was feeding info TO Steele.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/06/gowdy-blumenthal-steele-dossier-clinton-395929

 

 

Again, you seem to be forgetting basic aspects of this investigation. Take some notes so we don't have to keep going round and round.

[Cdub100 3,382]

Has any left leaners come up with an explanation why over a dozen senior members of DOJ/FBI have been demoted/fired? Nope.

 

Trump is big orange baddie and said mean things, harrumph!!!

[Sho Nuff 719]

Fact: The reason libs dig in so hard that Steele's dossier was not intrinisic to any FISA application is because they have to admit DNC/FBI/Obama/Hillary/Russian involvement if it was.

Seems more like people are digging in that itbwasnt the whole reason for the FISA application because that is what the facts support.

The facts dont support it being the whole reason.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Seems more like people are digging in that itbwasnt the whole reason for the FISA application because that is what the facts support.

The facts dont support it being the whole reason.

It need only be a sliver of the reason to support DNC/Russian collusion.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Seems more like people are digging in that itbwasnt the whole reason for the FISA application because that is what the facts support.

The facts dont support it being the whole reason.

 

In court filings, you must file the truth, the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth. They knew all that sh!t was unverified trash (and still is) yet still used it.

 

McCabe's testimony "we wouldn't have sought it without the Dossier".

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

Fact: The reason libs dig in so hard that Steele's dossier was not intrinisic to any FISA application is because they have to admit DNC/FBI/Obama/Hillary/Russian involvement if it was.

It's the Russian involvement I'm stuck on. Which Russians, the same ones that Steele relies on?

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

Agents/Officials did fix evidence.

 

1. McCabe was fired for altering 302s with suggestions that it was in regard to the Flynn interview hence why the FBI initially stated Flynn didn't lie then Mueller charges him later.

2. Michael and Nellie Ohr worked with Fusion GPS.

3. The FISA application itself. It was denied PREVIOUS to the Dossier. Then they added that stuff along with the dubious double sourcing by citing Yahoo's Isakoff's reporting when he was fed info from Steele a.k.a. same source. Only then it was approved and remember McCabe's own testimony that the application wouldn't have been sought without the Dossier (why? because it had already been shot down possibly twice).

 

Obama was involved. Text indicating 'POTUS wants to know all that we're doing". HRC email case was closed and Weiner's laptop had not been discovered yet. It was about the Russian investigation i.e. the Trump spying. Also, reference the Jan. 5th, 2017 meeting with Comey (that he failed to disclose to Congress). Obama was neck deep in this.

 

As far as the DNC colluding with Russians. Well we know they colluded with some foreign actor(s) because Sid B. was feeding info TO Steele.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/06/gowdy-blumenthal-steele-dossier-clinton-395929

 

 

Again, you seem to be forgetting basic aspects of this investigation. Take some notes so we don't have to keep going round and round.

Just for starters how do you say a guy who retired with benefits was fired for cause?

[Sho Nuff 719]

It need only be a sliver of the reason to support DNC/Russian collusion.

Why? So possibly verified information (which some of it is) is a bad thing to have as support?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Just for starters how do you say a guy who retired with benefits was fired for cause?

 

He said he was retiring in March, yet was ESCORTED out of the building. Everyone knows that means 'you're fired'.

 

McCabe was one of over a dozen that ALL were tied to the Russian investigation in some way, shape or form. Want to go through each and everyone of them?

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

He said he was retiring in March, yet was ESCORTED out of the building. Everyone knows that means 'you're fired'.

 

McCabe was one of over a dozen that ALL were tied to the Russian investigation in some way, shape or form. Want to go through each and everyone of them?

And yet he appears to have retired after gaining full benefits. If he had been fired for cause he couldn't have done that because his termination date would have been before his drop date.

 

TBH I don't have time to cover all names today but I will catch up when I can. The only thing I'll point out is that like McCabe people quitting or retiring or being demoted never amounts to equalling being fired for cause.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

And yet he appears to have retired after gaining full benefits. If he had been fired for cause he couldn't have done that because his termination date would have been before his drop date.

 

TBH I don't have time to cover all names today but I will catch up when I can. The only thing I'll point out is that like McCabe people quitting or retiring or being demoted never amounts to equalling being fired for cause.

 

If you get placed on leave pending an investigation (which is what's happening) you appear to be leaving with benefits. He publically stated March and was asked to leave HOURS after Wray saw the Nunes/Gowdy memo.

 

Sorry but if you're dismissing all those demotions/terminations/resignations of senior level CAREER people (not appointees) you've jumped the shark. Come back to reality.........

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

If you get placed on leave pending an investigation (which is what's happening) you appear to be leaving with benefits. He publically stated March and was asked to leave HOURS after Wray saw the Nunes/Gowdy memo.

 

Sorry but if you're dismissing all those demotions/terminations/resignations of senior level CAREER people (not appointees) you've jumped the shark. Come back to reality.........

Ok then how do you explain Boente being elevated back to Wray's core team? IIRC he was one of the affiants on the renewals of the Page FISA?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Ok then how do you explain Boente being elevated back to Wray's core team? IIRC he was one of the affiants on the renewals of the Page FISA?

 

He resigned and was brought back to serve as General Counsel. Apparently he has been vetted and found to be clear of the conspiracy. Note; Rosenstein signed a FISA application too. Doesn't mean he is clean and doesn't mean he is dirty. Could have been deceived just as the FISA judges apparently were (or was Contreras in on it?).

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

 

He resigned and was brought back to serve as General Counsel. Apparently he has been vetted and found to be clear of the conspiracy. Note; Rosenstein signed a FISA application too. Doesn't mean he is clean and doesn't mean he is dirty. Could have been deceived just as the FISA judges apparently were (or was Contreras in on it?).

Contreras was not the judge on it. I realize that was speculated but apparently that was not correct.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Contreras was not the judge on it. I realize that was speculated but apparently that was not correct.

 

There were 4 judges that signed (original + three extensions).

 

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/03/wsj-reports-four-separate-fisa-court-judges-approved-renewals-to-carter-page-surveillance/

 

 

Accepting there are only three DC circuit judges: Rosemary Collyer, Rudolph Contreras and James Boasberg; and accepting that four different judges approved the DOJ/FBI application and renewals for Title I surveillance of Carter Page; it seems almost certain that Collyer and Contreras were involved in the Justice Department effort to identify Carter Page as an ‘American working on behalf of a foreign government’.

Link to where it's confirmed he wasn't one?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Why? So possibly verified information (which some of it is) is a bad thing to have as support?

It always comes down to the reality that you think a political party is fine to hire a foreign agent to get dirt on the opposing political candidate from a foreign government, leak it to the press and sell it to the FBI as fact so they can use it as a basis for an investigation. It's a shameful act IMO.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,657]

 

He resigned and was brought back to serve as General Counsel. Apparently he has been vetted and found to be clear of the conspiracy. Note; Rosenstein signed a FISA application too. Doesn't mean he is clean and doesn't mean he is dirty. Could have been deceived just as the FISA judges apparently were (or was Contreras in on it?).

Hey Filthy, did you watch Nunes on Mark Levins show? It was really good

[edjr 5,567]

OBAMA!!!

[lickin_starfish 1,482]

This thread (and many others) are pure bullsnit. As Americans, why don't we want any corrupt politicians to be thrown in jail, regardless if they are Left or Right.

For focks sake, get your heads out of your asses. If Trump is guilty, focking lock him up. Hillary should be in jail, were it not for Obama's agencies covering for her. Obama doesn't appear to be squeaky clean either.

 

JFC, demand better from your representatives, and don't let them get away with crimes just because they have a D or an R in front of their names.

[drobeski 3,061]

Hey Filthy, did you watch Nunes on Mark Levins show? It was really good

was great, nunes is a true patriot

[drobeski 3,061]

OBAMA!!!

clueless

[Hardcore troubadour 12,657]

was great, nunes is a true patriot

I loved at the end when they were goofing on the Logan act nonsense. Remember Shonuff and Worms getting a chub over that?

[Cdub100 3,382]

This thread (and many others) are pure bullsnit. As Americans, why don't we want any corrupt politicians to be thrown in jail, regardless if they are Left or Right.

For focks sake, get your heads out of your asses. If Trump is guilty, focking lock him up. Hillary should be in jail, were it not for Obama's agencies covering for her. Obama doesn't appear to be squeaky clean either.

 

JFC, demand better from your representatives, and don't let them get away with crimes just because they have a D or an R in front of their names.

100% McCain who I voted for in 2008 should be locked up along with anyone else involved.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Hey Filthy, did you watch Nunes on Mark Levins show? It was really good

Watched it this a.m. Was great.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,657]

Watched it this a.m. Was great.

Levin is a lot calmer on TV. Turning into a damn good show.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Levin is a lot calmer on TV. Turning into a damn good show.

 

Because he's not being interrupted by Hannity on his own show.

 

Hannity and Ingram should watch how Levin handles himself. Let your guests respond fully.

[Sho Nuff 719]

It always comes down to the reality that you think a political party is fine to hire a foreign agent to get dirt on the opposing political candidate from a foreign government, leak it to the press and sell it to the FBI as fact so they can use it as a basis for an investigation. It's a shameful act IMO.

The from a foreign government part hurts yiur claim...asdoes the selling it to the FBI and using it for the basis of investigation.

Try facts next time.

[Sho Nuff 719]

was great, nunes is a true patriot

You both are foolish enough to believe that.

[SUXBNME 1,337]

was great, nunes is a true patriot

I watched bout 40 minutes of it last night.

[drobeski 3,061]

I watched bout 40 minutes of it last night.

compelling stuff, those criminals of the previous administration need to be held accountable.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Trump may want to get his boy Nunberg to stop talking.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,657]

compelling stuff, those criminals of the previous administration need to be held accountable.

Imagine if someone in the mainstream media had some courage to start shedding light on the high crimes of the Obama admin? Where you at 60 minutes?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Imagine if someone in the mainstream media had some courage to start shedding light on the high crimes of the Obama admin? Where you at 60 minutes?

 

They can't cover it. They were part of it. The Dossier was shopped around to second source it and then other 'journalists' were paid to push Russian narratives.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,657]

 

They can't cover it. They were part of it. The Dossier was shopped around to second source it and then other 'journalists' were paid to push Russian narratives.

Yeah. Maybe a guy like Bob Woodward.