wiffleball 4,790 Posted May 9, 2018 If it was such a great deal for America and legitimate, why did Obama do it outside of Congress? Well for one thing, if you'll recall, the Republicans wouldn't pass a bill in favor of puppies as long as Obama was in the White House. Remember? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 9, 2018 Well for one thing, if you'll recall, the Republicans wouldn't pass a bill in favor of puppies as long as Obama was in the White House. Remember? So Republicans voted against everything Obama wanted? Why were there Democrats against the deal (including Shumer)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 everything that needed to be said about this deal, was said before it was even signed The fact that Obama didn't take it to congress, cause he knew it wouldn't pass said it all Yes...says the Republican Congress was an obstructionist crapfest and still is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 Remember when Democrats opposed the Iran deal? Rock members. Bottom line is the House rejected this deal 269-162 [25 Dems and 244 Reps voting no], in a purely symbolic vote, because Fuhrer Obama knew he had zero chance of Senate approval for an actual binding deal aka treaty. 62% of the House rejected Obama's deal. The American people rejected Obama's deal by electing Trump. Time for the losers to suck it up and take their loss. They are on the wrong side of history. Polls show people dont support getting out of this deal. Claiming Trump was elected because of this is your usual ignorance. Asfor the wrong side of history...laughable from supporters of Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 9, 2018 Polls show people dont support getting out of this deal. Claiming Trump was elected because of this is your usual ignorance. Asfor the wrong side of history...laughable from supporters of Trump. Just when I think you can't get any dumber.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 9, 2018 Polls show people dont support getting out of this deal. It's true, they asked what they thought of a highly technically nuclear deal. First they should have asked them who is Iran's leader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 9, 2018 It's true, they asked what they thought of a highly technically nuclear deal. First they should have asked them who is Iran's leader. Whats your wager trump has even read the deal? I got my money on no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 It's true, they asked what they thought of a highly technically nuclear deal. First they should have asked them who is Iran's leader.Refuting the claim that Americans voted for Trumo to end this...But, the man who ended this...also has zero clue about the highly technical nuclear deal. And yiubdopes that are blowing him for ending it dont either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 701 Posted May 9, 2018 CNN is supporting Iran's burning of the American flag. Well, in the least their verbiage on their site indicates that Iran is certainly justified in doing so.This is what I refer to, when I say the lefts (CNN, etc) bitter hatred toward Trump is so great, that they have sided with terrorists. And yes, Iran is full of terrorists and would like nothing more than the blow the U.S to smithereens. Yet....yet....CNN's propaganda glorifies their burning of our Flag. Focked up sh#t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 9, 2018 Whats your wager trump has even read the deal? I got my money on no. Same with Obama. We know Trump has been advised on it and the President has sole power to end our involvement in it whenever he wants. Should we be involved in a deal with Iran? Yes. Involved in this deal? Think of it this way, you make a deal with your son (who just happens to lie about everything) that he can have as many cookies in the jar that he wants if he washes his hands. However you cannot inspect his hands, nor can you even ask him if he washed them. Nor can you ask the 3rd party inspector. We went down this road with the UN sanctions on Iraq, when we asked the UN if he had WMD, they said "ummm, we don't know". We said, "well you are supposed to inspect every 6 months", they said, "he kicked us out and we haven't been back in years". The UN caused these wars, IMO. If the US gets the right to inspect Iran, it would be a good deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 9, 2018 Same with Obama. We know Trump has been advised on it and the President has sole power to end our involvement in it whenever he wants. Should we be involved in a deal with Iran? Yes. Involved in this deal? Think of it this way, you make a deal with your son (who just happens to lie about everything) that he can have as many cookies in the jar that he wants if he washes his hands. However you cannot inspect his hands, nor can you even ask him if he washed them. Nor can you ask the 3rd party inspector. We went down this road with the UN sanctions on Iraq, when we asked the UN if he had WMD, they said "ummm, we don't know". We said, "well you are supposed to inspect every 6 months", they said, "he kicked us out and we haven't been back in years". The UN caused these wars, IMO. If the US gets the right to inspect Iran, it would be a good deal. Im not even going to pretend that I am qualified to make an opinion on the deal itself. My main concern is that it is bad precedent for Americas word not to count for anything. The United States made a deal, through its head of state. Now it is chronic hunskering. That make me squeamish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 9, 2018 My main concern is that it is bad precedent for Americas word not to count for anything. The United States made a deal, through its head of state. Now it is chronic hunskering. That make me squeamish. The deal was every 90 days and the President had to basically sign off on it, Trump now has 30 days (33 really) to negotiate a new deal before it's dead. Far from over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 9, 2018 Im not even going to pretend that I am qualified to make an opinion on the deal itself. My main concern is that it is bad precedent for Americas word not to count for anything. The United States made a deal, through its head of state. Now it is chronic hunskering. That make me squeamish. Dumb. It wasn't America's word. It was Hussein's word. Hussein who is a treasonous pig. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 CNN is supporting Iran's burning of the American flag. Well, in the least their verbiage on their site indicates that Iran is certainly justified in doing so. This is what I refer to, when I say the lefts (CNN, etc) bitter hatred toward Trump is so great, that they have sided with terrorists. And yes, Iran is full of terrorists and would like nothing more than the blow the U.S to smithereens. Yet....yet....CNN's propaganda glorifies their burning of our Flag. Focked up sh#t. Because youvlaim they support the burning of the flag? Also that somehow that equals support for terrorism? That is some piss poor logic and weak grasp in reality there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 9, 2018 Another campaign promise fulfilled. Are we to assume the establishment was afraid of that very thing; an elected official who would keep his word? No wonder both sides tried to unite to stop him. Can't bribe a billionaire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 Same with Obama. We know Trump has been advised on it and the President has sole power to end our involvement in it whenever he wants. Should we be involved in a deal with Iran? Yes. Involved in this deal? Think of it this way, you make a deal with your son (who just happens to lie about everything) that he can have as many cookies in the jar that he wants if he washes his hands. However you cannot inspect his hands, nor can you even ask him if he washed them. Nor can you ask the 3rd party inspector. We went down this road with the UN sanctions on Iraq, when we asked the UN if he had WMD, they said "ummm, we don't know". We said, "well you are supposed to inspect every 6 months", they said, "he kicked us out and we haven't been back in years". The UN caused these wars, IMO. If the US gets the right to inspect Iran, it would be a good deal. Advised by the other countries still involved who were against Trumps move? The hordes of nuclear experts who support the deal? His own State Department who was against his withdrawal? (At least underTillerson) This was Trump and Bolton... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 9, 2018 Advised by the other countries still involved who were against Trumps move? The hordes of nuclear experts who support the deal? His own State Department who was against his withdrawal? (At least underTillerson) This was Trump and Bolton... And where is Tillerson? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,701 Posted May 9, 2018 Does anyone believe SloFart will ever figure out the difference between opinions and facts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 Does anyone believe SloFart will ever figure out the difference between opinions and facts? Yes...I use facts and opinions...you post opinions only and usually ones not supported by any fact...and mostly lies. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 9, 2018 Does anyone believe SloFart will ever figure out the difference between opinions and facts? I'm sure he believes the car salesmen when they tell him what a good deal the p.o.s. they sold him is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 9, 2018 Whats your wager trump has even read the deal? I got my money on no.clueless, stupid and easily fooled His hands are in all of his accomplishments. I know it kills you focking hacks to accept it but he IS kicking ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 clueless, stupid and easily fooled His hands are in all of his accomplishments. I know it kills you focking hacks to accept it but he IS kicking ass. Your first line describes Trump supporters perfectly. Kicking ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 9, 2018 Your first line describes Trump supporters perfectly. Kicking ass Barry's legacy in shreds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 Barry's legacy in shreds Not really...he looks better every day of this presidency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 9, 2018 Advised by the other countries still involved who were against Trumps move? The hordes of nuclear experts who support the deal? His own State Department who was against his withdrawal? (At least underTillerson) This was Trump and Bolton... This is chicken little stuff again from the left. Trump has a month to get a deal done and he'll do it. If your side ever gets tired of being pwned by Trump, my advice is to shut up and let things play out. Many have already adopted this attitude and are enjoying the winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 This is chicken little stuff again from the left. Trump has a month to get a deal done and he'll do it. If your side ever gets tired of being pwned by Trump, my advice is to shut up and let things play out. Many have already adopted this attitude and are enjoying the winning. Its not chicken little...its the fact of who was against this...and who supported the deal. Calling them all the left is the usual ignorant crap from Trump supporters. pwned? just completely intellectually dishonest people still supporting this guy. My advice is you understand issues before running your mouth...that would be a great change for you all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 9, 2018 Its not chicken little...its the fact of who was against this...and who supported the deal. Calling them all the left is the usual ignorant crap from Trump supporters. pwned? just completely intellectually dishonest people still supporting this guy. My advice is you understand issues before running your mouth...that would be a great change for you all. Try a link once in a while Mr. Facts. First it's unlinked polls, then it's unlinked experts. Then it's unlinked assertions. You're an uninformed troll in these threads, nothing more or less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 Try a link once in a while Mr. Facts. First it's unlinked polls, then it's unlinked experts. Then it's unlinked assertions. You're an uninformed troll in these threads, nothing more or less. A. What focking link have you ever provided? I provide them far more often than anyone else to support my opinion....and provided the BBC link earlier to discuss the deal. Which part would you like linked now? I have linked to nuclear experts in the past...other countries reactions are readily available to anyone who isn't willfully ignorant about what is going on as was Tillerson's opinion on this. B. Unlinked polls? LIke Americans being against this? Here you go... http://thehill.com/policy/international/386797-less-than-1-in-3-americans-support-trumps-decision-to-withdraw-from-iran C. Experts have been linked in the past...this has been known for some time...need more? https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/04/watch-experts-explain-whats-at-stake-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-letter.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/experts-trump-iran-nuclear-letter/index.html D. To claim I am uninformed is your completely baseless and unsupported opinion. My posts are supported quite well and have been thought out after reading about the issues. I can never say the same for yours. That you consider disagreement with the masses of willfully ignorant on this site trolling is on you...not me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 9, 2018 Not really...he looks better every day of this presidency. You need to clean the shite off your glasses. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,928 Posted May 9, 2018 Even Skippy PEDOesta said it was a bad deal. The left has TDS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 9, 2018 Iran never signed it. Those involved are desperate to avoid where the $$ went. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 9, 2018 Iran never signed it. Those involved are desperate to avoid where the $$ went.they never signed it ? Holy fock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 9, 2018 Iran never signed it. Those involved are desperate to avoid where the $$ went.That's a lot of cash floating around unaccounted for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted May 9, 2018 Yes...says the Republican Congress was an obstructionist crapfest and still is. yep he couldn't even get the Democrats to sign off on it, but blame the Repubs of course Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted May 9, 2018 A. What focking link have you ever provided? I provide them far more often than anyone else to support my opinion....and provided the BBC link earlier to discuss the deal. Which part would you like linked now? I have linked to nuclear experts in the past...other countries reactions are readily available to anyone who isn't willfully ignorant about what is going on as was Tillerson's opinion on this. B. Unlinked polls? LIke Americans being against this? Here you go... http://thehill.com/policy/international/386797-less-than-1-in-3-americans-support-trumps-decision-to-withdraw-from-iran C. Experts have been linked in the past...this has been known for some time...need more? https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/04/watch-experts-explain-whats-at-stake-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-letter.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/experts-trump-iran-nuclear-letter/index.html D. To claim I am uninformed is your completely baseless and unsupported opinion. My posts are supported quite well and have been thought out after reading about the issues. I can never say the same for yours. That you consider disagreement with the masses of willfully ignorant on this site trolling is on you...not me. 29% wanted to end the deal, 42 % didn't, alot undecided, among Republicans 44% wanted to end the deal and 28% were undecided c) don't give a what other countries think, NYtimes,/CNN enough said you listen to nothing but left wing jackasses, try listening to some intelligent people, instead of Huffpo, Vox, Slate, TYT, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 yep he couldn't even get the Democrats to sign off on it, but blame the Repubs of course All dens...true...in a meaningless vote from the standpoint that the outcome was already determined by the obstruction in the GOP. I blame those who were most at fault as obstructionists...because thats what the facts support. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 9, 2018 29% wanted to end the deal, 42 % didn't, alot undecided, among Republicans 44% wanted to end the deal and 28% were undecided c) don't give a ###### what other countries think, NYtimes,/CNN enough said you listen to nothing but left wing jackasses, try listening to some intelligent people, instead of Huffpo, Vox, Slate, TYT, so pretty much what I stated was supported by the link...breaking it down to what Republicans support is idiotic to thenoverall point and that Trump is the president of all...not just republicans (he needs to realize this at some point) those sources quoted people dumbass...against n, supported my claim, you bring nothing I listen to many sources and then you mention those I dont actually read or link to...pathetic and trolling gnorant as always. I blew your criticism out of the water again and provided link...you bring nothing but bogus attacks...never surprising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted May 9, 2018 don't you mean collusion thats the problem with your kind I don't find it obstruction that the Dems don't vote for a wall, I consider it a difference of opinions. But I bet you don't consider it obstruction there either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted May 9, 2018 so pretty much what I stated was supported by the link...breaking it down to what Republicans support is idiotic to thenoverall point and that Trump is the president of all...not just republicans (he needs to realize this at some point) those sources quoted people dumbass...against n, supported my claim, you bring nothing I listen to many sources and then you mention those I dont actually read or link to...pathetic and trolling gnorant as always. I blew your criticism out of the water again and provided link...you bring nothing but bogus attacks...never surprising. was Obama the president of all? Elections have CONSEQUENCES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
