Dallas Cowboys 2018 & Beyond

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. And they didn’t dominate. They didn’t even win their division. Good team that got hot.  Happens all the time. 

Find me one team in NFL history to accomplish what they did without an off-season... and a new QB?  Also, they didn't just "get hot".  They dominated.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. And they didn’t dominate. They didn’t even win their division. Good team that got hot.  Happens all the time. 

Find me one team in NFL history to accomplish what they did without an off-season... and a new QB?

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20 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Find me one team in NFL history to accomplish what they did without an off-season... and a new QB?  Also, they didn't just "get hot".  They dominated.

Fifth seed.  Struggled against a 7 win team in the playoffs, damn near lost. Not a dominating team. 

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17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. And they didn’t dominate. They didn’t even win their division. Good team that got hot.  Happens all the time. 

2020 tampa was a very good team playing in an NFL with no dominant team and they stayed healthy.  The saints lost their top pass  rusher.  The chiefs had a slew of injuries.  Next year, tampa probably will have a few injuries and that makes it almost impossible to repeat.  

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24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Find me one team in NFL history to accomplish what they did without an off-season... and a new QB?

They played six teams with winning records. 10 without. Have you convinced yourself they had a tough schedule? 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They played six teams with winning records. 10 without. Have you convinced yourself they had a tough schedule? 

Strength of Schedule had them 6th.  Maybe you seem to think that other teams had a harder schedule than what they really did.

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13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fifth seed.  Struggled against a 7 win team in the playoffs, damn near lost. Not a dominating team. 

They didn't damn near lose, but Washington had a top tier defense and the offense still put 30 on them.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Strength of Schedule had them 6th.  Maybe you seem to think that other teams had a harder schedule than what they really did.

They went 1-5 against teams with winning records. Case closed.  Not dominant. They beat up on the weaklings and got hot. That is the story of the 2020 Buccaneers, like it or not. 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They went 1-5 against teams with winning records. Case closed.  Not dominant. They beat up on the weaklings and got hot. That is the story of the 2020 Buccaneers, like it or not. 

Top 3 offense, top 10 defense.  Won 3 road games in the playoffs.  Averaged over 30 points per game in the playoffs and made the supposed best team in the league look like a college team in the Super Bowl.  5 wins against playoff teams... only KC had more.  Pretty dominating if you ask me.

[edjr 6,608]

Jerrah really never wants to win again. Someone needs to put him out to pasture. 

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3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Top 3 offense, top 10 defense.  Won 3 road games in the playoffs.  Averaged over 30 points per game in the playoffs and made the supposed best team in the league look like a college team in the Super Bowl.  5 wins against playoff teams... only KC had more.  Pretty dominating if you ask me.

1-5. 10 wins against Chumps. Not dominant. I don’t care about your stats. 

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The 2007 and 2011 NY Giants were not dominant.  They got hot, caught some breaks. See how easy that is? 

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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The 2007 and 2011 NY Giants were not dominant.  They got hot, caught some breaks. See how easy that is? 

Did they have a full offseason?  Have a new QB?

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Sorry Cowboys fans.  I'm just giving HT a hard time.  I don't want to hijack your thread any longer.

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12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Did they have a full offseason?  Have a new QB?

Everyone missed the off season last year, not just the Bucs. FYI. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Everyone missed the off season last year, not just the Bucs. FYI. 

I was talking about the '07 and '11 Giants.

As for last year, how many had a new QB who had to learn a new system?  How'd those teams do?  Off the top of my head, I think there were 2 that made the playoffs... and they went 0-2. 

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I was talking about the '07 and '11 Giants.

As for last year, how many had a new QB who had to learn a new system?  How'd those teams do?

What’s your point? They still weren’t dominant. And winning 5 games against playoff teams, including the playoffs, is no great feat. Teams that win it all usually win more against playoff teams. Winning one game against playoff teams and making the playoffs is much more rare.  And not and indication of being dominant. 

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31 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s your point? They still weren’t dominant. And winning 5 games against playoff teams, including the playoffs, is no great feat. Teams that win it all usually win more against playoff teams. Winning one game against playoff teams and making the playoffs is much more rare.  And not and indication of being dominant. 

Simply saying that the dominance was delayed because of the circumstances.  You saw it on display in the last 8 games.  That said, they still had a top 3 offense, top 10 defense, and the 6th hardest schedule in the NFL.  Had their schedule been more evenly spaced out and possibly an earlier bye week, they'd have won more games.  But still, the numbers speak for themselves.  3-0, on the road, in the playoffs.  5 wins against teams who made the playoffs... only one other team had more total wins.  No one scored more than them in the final 8 games of the season, including 4 games against top 10 defenses.  No one gave up less points than them over that time frame, including 4 games against the top 11 offenses in the NFL.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Simply saying that the dominance was delayed because of the circumstances.  You saw it on display in the last 8 games.  That said, they still had a top 3 offense, top 10 defense, and the 6th hardest schedule in the NFL.  Had their schedule been more evenly spaced out and possibly an earlier bye week, they'd have won more games.  But still, the numbers speak for themselves.  3-0, on the road, in the playoffs.  5 wins against teams who made the playoffs... only one other team had more total wins.  No one scored more than them in the final 8 games of the season, including 4 games against top 10 defenses.  No one gave up less points than them over that time frame, including 4 games against the top 11 offenses in the NFL.

5 losses against teams that made the playoffs. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

5 losses against teams that made the playoffs. 

So half of their 20 games were against playoff teams?  Go find me another team that had that many.  Let me know if they were at least 5-5.

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

Jerrah really never wants to win again. Someone needs to put him out to pasture. 

No.  I want to see that train wreck continue as long as possible. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

How many QBs are better than Dak?

mahomes, brady, rodgers, lamar jackson (imagine him with cooper, lamb and gallup), burrow, allen, watson, herbert, wilson 

so dak to me is #9 with a chance to fall behind some others next year.  
 

theres a chance dak falls behind stafford, tua and a rookie next year too. 

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As of Today TB 12 will make 25 million next year.  and 28 on the cap.  Jerrah gave a guy who had one of the nastiest brankles 40 meeyon  

 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They went 1-5 against teams with winning records. Case closed.  Not dominant. They beat up on the weaklings and got hot. That is the story of the 2020 Buccaneers, like it or not. 

I underrated Tampa going in.  They got better as the year went on.  But I agree they werent a dominant team.

Maybe I missed a few posts but not sure why you guys are so hung up on this.  

GB gave them the game.  Yeah Im bitter but it is the truth.  

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29 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

How many QBs are better than Dak?

mahomes, brady, rodgers, lamar jackson (imagine him with cooper, lamb and gallup), burrow, allen, watson, herbert, wilson 

so dak to me is #9 with a chance to fall behind some others next year.  
 

theres a chance dak falls behind stafford, tua and a rookie next year too. 

Wow. Herbert is top ten already? 

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29 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I underrated Tampa going in.  They got better as the year went on.  But I agree they werent a dominant team.

Maybe I missed a few posts but not sure why you guys are so hung up on this.  

GB gave them the game.  Yeah Im bitter but it is the truth.  

There's a lot of numbers that do point to dominance and considering the circumstances of the entire season, I think it's pretty impressive.  They had a new QB.  They had no offseason.  They had a late bye week (Week 13 - the last one).  Yet, I can still point to top 3 offense, top 10 defense, 6th toughest schedule in the NFL.  They played against 10 playoff teams in the season (no one else did that). 5 wins... only 1 team had more.  They won 3 of their playoff games on the road.  For the season, they had the 4th highest point differential in the league.  The only number someone like HT can point to is 1-5 against playoff teams in the regular season.  That's it.  That's all he's got.  Oh, he points to a close game against Washington (on the road), but ignores things like KC almost losing to the Raiders (the second time), Carolina, Atlanta, Denver, & Cleveland (all of which were at home).  I'd argue that outside of Cleveland, Washington was better than the other 4.  Struggling (if you that's what you want to call putting up 31 points against a top 5 defense), against Washington on the road, isn't as bad as struggling against Vegas (who Tampa spanked), Carolina (who Tampa spanked twice), Atlanta (who Tampa spanked once), and Denver (who Tampa spanked).  But that may just be me.  

 

But really, I'm only doing it because I'm finding it entertaining.  I feel bad that I'm hijacking the Dallas thread though.

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I think they had a real talented team for sure.  But I wouldnt say they were a dominant team or had a dominant season.  They struggled a little with Washington and their 3rd atring QB.  Brees with no arm and minutes away from hanging it up had to toss thrm like 3 picks right? They honestly should have lost at GB and no matter how much GB tried to give them the game GB still had a legit chance at the end.  

Then of course they went to the SB and dominated the Chiefs.  Which was impressive.  Cant take that away from them.

I dont think it is a big deal.   They were a real talented team built to make a run.  They deserved to win it.  

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7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There's a lot of numbers that do point to dominance and considering the circumstances of the entire season, I think it's pretty impressive.  They had a new QB.  They had no offseason.  They had a late bye week (Week 13 - the last one).  Yet, I can still point to top 3 offense, top 10 defense, 6th toughest schedule in the NFL.  They played against 10 playoff teams in the season (no one else did that). 5 wins... only 1 team had more.  They won 3 of their playoff games on the road.  For the season, they had the 4th highest point differential in the league.  The only number someone like HT can point to is 1-5 against playoff teams in the regular season.  That's it.  That's all he's got.  Oh, he points to a close game against Washington (on the road), but ignores things like KC almost losing to the Raiders (the second time), Carolina, Atlanta, Denver, & Cleveland (all of which were at home).  I'd argue that outside of Cleveland, Washington was better than the other 4.  Struggling (if you that's what you want to call putting up 31 points against a top 5 defense), against Washington on the road, isn't as bad as struggling against Vegas (who Tampa spanked), Carolina (who Tampa spanked twice), Atlanta (who Tampa spanked once), and Denver (who Tampa spanked).  But that may just be me.  

 

But really, I'm only doing it because I'm finding it entertaining.  I feel bad that I'm hijacking the Dallas thread though.

Yeah, a teams record is all I have. Lol. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, a teams record is all I have. Lol. 

That's all you keep bringing up... 1-5.  Discounting the fact that they won 4 games in the playoffs.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's all you keep bringing up... 1-5.  Discounting the fact that they won 4 games in the playoffs.

The question is if they are dominant,  not if they won the SB. They weren’t dominant. The Giants won 4 games in the playoffs twice. Doesn’t make them dominant. 

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I just dont understand how you can not even win your division.  Be a 5 seed that meet a sub .500 division winner.....and be called dominant.  

When I think of dominant NFL teams I think of 13-3. 1st seed.  Run through the lesser teams in the playoffs and win the SB.  

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

The question is if they are dominant,  not if they won the SB. They weren’t dominant. The Giants won 4 games in the playoffs twice. Doesn’t make them dominant. 

Did they have a top 3 offense, top 10 defense, and 6th toughest schedule in the league in either year?  I'm guessing no.

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I just dont understand how you can not even win your division.  Be a 5 seed that meet a sub .500 division winner.....and be called dominant.  

When I think of dominant NFL teams I think of 13-3. 1st seed.  Run through the lesser teams in the playoffs and win the SB.  

Did any of those teams that went 13-3 with a 1-seed have a new QB and no off-season to assimilate that QB?

Over the last 8 games of the season, did they outscore their opponent by about double?  Did they beat 4 playoff teams in a row... 3 on the road?  Did they average over 30 ppg?  Did they dominate/embarrass/humiliate their opponent in the Super Bowl?

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Did any of those teams that went 13-3 with a 1-seed have a new QB and no off-season to assimilate that QB?

No. But I dont know how to count that towards crowning them a dominant team.  

You are talking about a vet of all vets and the best QB ever.  

Id assume this year they will be even more dominant since they get an offseason....under your criteria of course.

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

No. But I dont know how to count that towards crowning them a dominant team.  

You are talking about a vet of all vets and the best QB ever.  

Id assume this year they will be even more dominant since they get an offseason....under your criteria of course.

I think they will.  Their schedule is easier.  They're so far bringing back David and Godwin.  I can see a 14+ win season and a cake walk through the playoffs.  That said, injuries can happen.  You never know.

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8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Did they have a top 3 offense, top 10 defense, and 6th toughest schedule in the league in either year?  I'm guessing no.

Stop with the sixth toughest schedule thing. The NFC sucked. A 7 win team made the playoffs. They played 10 games against teams who didn’t have a winning record. Went 1-5 against the ones who did. 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stop with the sixth toughest schedule thing. The NFC sucked. A 7 win team made the playoffs. They played 10 games against teams who didn’t have a winning record. Went 1-5 against the ones who did. 

Tampa played 12 of their 16 games vs NFC teams... yet, had the 6th toughest schedule in the NFL (not NFC), meaning, only 5 teams in the whole league played a harder schedule.  I guess they only played the good ones then?

Yes, and they played against 10 teams who made the playoffs.  Won 5 of them.  Still waiting for you to list the teams who played 10 or more playoff teams and the number of teams who had at least 5 wins.  I'll wait patiently.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Tampa played 12 of their 16 games vs NFC teams... yet, had the 6th toughest schedule in the NFC.  I guess they only played the good ones then?

Yes, and they played against 10 teams who made the playoffs.  Won 5 of them.  Still waiting for you to list the teams who played 10 or more playoff teams and the number of teams who had at least 5 wins.  I'll wait patiently.

6th toughest schedule in the NFC? Holy shite. I thought you meant In the NFL. Stop. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

6th toughest schedule in the NFC? Holy shite. I thought you meant In the NFL. Stop. 

Yeah, that was a typo, I fixed it.

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13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Tampa played 12 of their 16 games vs NFC teams... yet, had the 6th toughest schedule in the NFC.  I guess they only played the good ones then?

Yes, and they played against 10 teams who made the playoffs.  Won 5 of them.  Still waiting for you to list the teams who played 10 or more playoff teams and the number of teams who had at least 5 wins.  I'll wait patiently.

1990 Giants went 7-3 against playoff teams. Dominant.