sderk 1,040 Posted September 23, 2019 Another fumble. This time returned for a TD. Dang, as long as he could stay healthy, I thought he would be consistently solid this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted September 23, 2019 Good grief you people have short attention spans. Less than 24 hours ago, Chris Carson was the #10 PPR RB in the whole NFL, ahead of Zeke, Kamara, Chubb, Gurley, Conner and Mack and a whole host of others. He had a "bad" game in which he rushed for 53 yards. A 1000 yard rusher averages 62.5 yards per game. On to next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted September 23, 2019 Likely yes, toast. Will have to wait and see when Penny gets back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted September 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, AxeElf said: Good grief you people have short attention spans. Less than 24 hours ago, Chris Carson was the #10 PPR RB in the whole NFL, ahead of Zeke, Kamara, Chubb, Gurley, Conner and Mack and a whole host of others. He had a "bad" game in which he rushed for 53 yards. A 1000 yard rusher averages 62.5 yards per game. On to next week. He has gone from 6 receptions in week 1, to 3, to 1. Hasn't gotten more than 60 yards rushing in any game. And 1 reception for -2 yards with Penny out today. 2TDs on the year. None since game 1. Fumbles the ball on a regular basis. I hope he can pull it together. Most of my RBs are injured for the most part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,529 Posted September 23, 2019 Toast no, after Carson and Penny who else do the Seahawks have, and Penny as already missed a game. So toast no, but when and if Penny can stay on the field I can see he Penny getting more work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bard 11 Posted September 23, 2019 I passed on Ingram for this butterfingered ball dropper. Ugh. When Penny is healthy, I expect him to get a shot at the starting gig. Why wouldn't he at this point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, The Bard said: I passed on Ingram for this butterfingered ball dropper. Ugh. When Penny is healthy, I expect him to get a shot at the starting gig. Why wouldn't he at this point? I would agree with you normally, but maybe it's because Penny is not good. I liked him coming out of college, but man, he doesn't look good either. At least Carson has looked good previously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,654 Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, sderk said: I would agree with you normally, but maybe it's because Penny is not good. I liked him coming out of college, but man, he doesn't look good either. At least Carson has looked good previously. Penny looked fine to me. That TD last week was pretty damn sweet. Not going to see Chris Carson stop on a dime and race around the endge for a TD. Carrol is stubborn and loves him some grinder type rbs though. Coaches never move on from those types until it's painfully obvious how limited they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted September 23, 2019 I think they've wanted to get Penny the ball more, but Carson has just outplayed him so far. Probably even more of a timeshare going forward as turning the ball over isn't something Carrol is going to tolerate. You get what you get with Carson though. A good week, an average week, then a bad week. He will have some good games, but he wasn't exactly considered a stud to begin with. If he cleans up his recent fumble issues, I think things will remain the same. If he keeps fumbling, they have to use Penny more. Carrol does like his power guys in the backfield, but he also spent a 1st round pick on Penny, so that should tell you who he wants to win the job. He's going to have to earn it though, and on the field, outside of a play here and there, Carson has looked better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,475 Posted September 23, 2019 Penny sucks, wouldn’t worry about him. The question is whether Carson can right the ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted September 23, 2019 I'm not worried about the bad game, but the fumbles are definitely a worry... he may find himself on a very short leash if this continues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted September 23, 2019 Carroll doesn't seem particularly concerned about it; he doesn't even seem to think it's Carson's fault. Here's an article about what happened after the fumble... What did Carroll tell Carson then? “To get ready to get back into the game, and just do right,” Carroll said. “He’s had three, remarkable, remarkable punches (by defenders) that have knocked the ball out. He was covering it up, and he knew. He was conscious. It (Apple’s hit) was right in the right place, and it happened again. “So, we needed to get him out of there some, just give him some time or whatever. Separate from it, and then put him back in.” Pete Carroll Supporting Chris Carson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, AxeElf said: Carroll doesn't seem particularly concerned about it; he doesn't even seem to think it's Carson's fault. Here's an article about what happened after the fumble... What did Carroll tell Carson then? “To get ready to get back into the game, and just do right,” Carroll said. “He’s had three, remarkable, remarkable punches (by defenders) that have knocked the ball out. He was covering it up, and he knew. He was conscious. It (Apple’s hit) was right in the right place, and it happened again. “So, we needed to get him out of there some, just give him some time or whatever. Separate from it, and then put him back in.” Pete Carroll Supporting Chris Carson Do you believe it, or do you think that it is just coach-speak? To me, it reads as if Carroll is trying to throw a fumbling back some confidence as they are thin at the moment. And yes, I am a Carson owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,032 Posted September 23, 2019 What are you gong to do? If he's playing, you play him until he's not. The Seahawks are always going to try and establish the running game. Volume says you start him until he's benched, realizing he can be benched in game. Which is the worst. I have to side with Carroll on yesterday's fumble. Most rb's would have fumbled the ball on that play. It was a perfect shot from behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted September 23, 2019 This is not good for Carson. Penny will get a shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 608 Posted September 23, 2019 fumbles are one good reason to get benched. That being said, he does not have a history of being a fumbler. as a rookie in 2017 he did not lose a fumble at all. last season he lost only 2. I have to think this is an anomoly. If I were the coach, I wouldn't be inclined to bench him yet, but if it continued obviously I'd feel the need to address it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, rallo said: Do you believe it, or do you think that it is just coach-speak? To me, it reads as if Carroll is trying to throw a fumbling back some confidence as they are thin at the moment. And yes, I am a Carson owner. I watched the play, and I believe that the fumble had more to do with the defender than the ball-carrier. I don't believe that a smart coach would stop using their best RB just because a defender made a great play on him, no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkfin 32 Posted September 23, 2019 I think Carson will be fine. Rainy condition on this one. He's still the best back here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,475 Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, AxeElf said: I watched the play, and I believe that the fumble had more to do with the defender than the ball-carrier. I don't believe that a smart coach would stop using their best RB just because a defender made a great play on him, no. Belichick might or should I say probably would, and he knows a thing or two about coaching Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,529 Posted September 23, 2019 That’s the biggest key, he’s the best rb they have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted September 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Belichick might or should I say probably would, and he knows a thing or two about coaching So you're speculating on what you think Belichick would do, and then justifying it as the right thing to do because Belichick knows a thing or two about coaching? lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 608 Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, IGotWorms said: Belichick might or should I say probably would, and he knows a thing or two about coaching whether he would or not does not matter in this case as he is not the coach here. What matters here is what Pete Carroll will do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted September 23, 2019 I’m starting him again as they have a good mu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,475 Posted September 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ray_T said: whether he would or not does not matter in this case as he is not the coach here. What matters here is what Pete Carroll will do. Sure thing, Ray. The comment I was responding to was a “smart coach” wouldn’t bench him for fumbling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 608 Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Sure thing, Ray. The comment I was responding to was a “smart coach” wouldn’t bench him for fumbling. ok fair enough. I do think if any RB fumbles enough, a smart coach removes him from starting. I do not, however think we are at this point. not yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,529 Posted September 24, 2019 Problem is , if they do replace Carson, who would that be. Penny? Carson is their best rb, I just do t think they have much of a choice right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutdown 40 Posted September 24, 2019 You have to start him one more week. I'm not sure how soon Penny gets back from the hamstring and CJ Procise can't play more than 3 plays without getting hurt so I'm not sure what options they have left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites