The Observer 641 Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, MDC said: McConnell says Obungler didn’t leave the Trump admin a playbook for dealing with the pandemic. Former Obungler staffer points out that the last admin left Trump a 70-page document called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents. Everyone speaks of Trump and Biden's mental declines, but I think McConnell might be more senile than both of them put together. Some of the things out of his mouth lately make me think that he forgets we actually have record of things that others have said and done. Did he really not remember that Obama created a pandemic team?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Strike said: Masks in a restaurant are stupid. Did you think to ask Drob if he would wear a mask in other public environments? In a restaurant you would rely on other reasonable, responsible measures to prevent the spread of this virus. Not believing in masks in a restaurant doesn't mean a person is unwilling to have any restrictions. I asked him twice (see below) in this thread. :crickets:. He can speak for himself. 2 hours ago, Leeson said: For a large percentage of the global population, there is no return to normal without a vaccine. Flattening the curve is step 1. Otherwise, we wouldn't be spending a ton of resources and money trying to find a cure. Since you're the new Fauci, exactly what steps/safety measures are you suggesting we follow? Should we open everything up? No masks? No restrictions? 2 hours ago, Leeson said: It was a pretty simple question. What measures do you agree with moving forward? I suspect you just want to biotch, but don't want to actually draw any lines in the sand. It gives you the option to increase your complaining depending on how things progress. (better/worse). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: This is what should have happened. and we could have added a decade or two to Social Security solvency. Let's just line up the old and sick (especially those that are faking it) and shoot them? It would be cheaper. 7 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Allow everyrhing to open back up. Those who choose to get back to life are free to do so. Those who choose to stay locked down are free to do so. How are you two suggesting we handle those at high risk that choose to stay in lock down, but will then lose their job and health insurance. What choice do they have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,628 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Leeson said: Let's just line up the old and sick (especially those that are faking it) and shoot them? It would be cheaper. How are you two suggesting we handle those at high risk that choose to stay in lock down, but will then lose their job and health insurance. What choice do they have? That's exactly the situation they're under now. What does letting those not at risk live their lives have to do with those at risk being careful? If those at risk are going down, everyone else should too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Leeson said: Let's just line up the old and sick (especially those that are faking it) and shoot them? It would be cheaper. How are you two suggesting we handle those at high risk that choose to stay in lock down, but will then lose their job and health insurance. What choice do they have? You must have missed the part where I said isolate the old. Try reading the posts you respond to. You are a waste of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,592 Posted May 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Leeson said: Let's just line up the old and sick (especially those that are faking it) and shoot them? It would be cheaper. How are you two suggesting we handle those at high risk that choose to stay in lock down, but will then lose their job and health insurance. What choice do they have? Wear a mask until the vaccine becomes available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted May 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Leeson said: Not sure what your point is? I asked him a simple question. Neither of you answered it. Instead you went off on some tangent. Drobeski made the comment in another thread that he would go to a restaurant and with "No, focking stupid mask either" Seems like we have 3 groups of people in this country. Those that want to hold people hostage. Those that want to open up in a responsible way (masks, physical distancing, etc). And those that want to open everything up and have zero restrictions (no masks, no physical distancing). Which are you? Stated multiple times that opening up with common sense guidelines is the way to go. You know, just like what is happening all over the country. Masks aren't really going to work in a restaurant, for obvious reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Baker Boy said: You must have missed the part where I said isolate the old. Try reading the posts you respond to. You are a waste of time. Where are you isolating the old? I would love to hear your plan on this. Also, who will be taking care of those old people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,592 Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Strike said: That's exactly the situation they're under now. What does letting those not at risk live their lives have to do with those at risk being careful? If those at risk are going down, everyone else should too? Zackly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Strike said: That's exactly the situation they're under now. What does letting those not at risk live their lives have to do with those at risk being careful? If those at risk are going down, everyone else should too? This, is the plan the left wants to execute. Bring everyone down with the hopes that people blame Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Leeson said: Where are you isolating the old? I would love to hear your plan on this. Also, who will be taking care of those old people? They are isolated now, try to keep up. Like I said you are a waste of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Strike said: That's exactly the situation they're under now. What does letting those not at risk live their lives have to do with those at risk being careful? If those at risk are going down, everyone else should too? Right.. This new guy seems a bit historical, yet claims others are. Vaccines take 12-18 months to be available, some in this country believe all should be locked up until they are available. The rest of us live in the real world and understand that's not an option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Wear a mask until the vaccine becomes available. So those at risk are going to go to work alongside those that aren't at risk. Those that don't want to wear a mask may be spreading the virus. The mask isn't the only thing that should be used to protect someone against the virus. What about all the common areas and things that people have to touch? Basically, at risk people will have to prevent themselves from the virus and people that don't care about spreading the virus. They would need to wear a biohazard suit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Reality said: Right.. This new guy seems a bit historical, yet claims others are. Vaccines take 12-18 months to be available, some in this country believe all should be locked up until they are available. The rest of us live in the real world and understand that's not an option. Hysterical? lol I asked a question. Seems like a bunch of people here got their panties in a bunch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: They are isolated now, try to keep up. Like I said you are a waste of time. My parents aren't isolated. My in laws aren't isolated. I'm a waste of time, but you keep answering me? Seems like an oxymoron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,628 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Leeson said: Hysterical? lol I asked a question. Seems like a bunch of people here got their panties in a bunch. So did I. And you're conveniently ignoring it. Here, I'll post it again: Quote That's exactly the situation they're under now. What does letting those not at risk live their lives have to do with those at risk being careful? If those at risk are going down, everyone else should too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Leeson said: My parents aren't isolated. My in laws aren't isolated. I'm a waste of time, but you keep answering me? Seems like an oxymoron. Well then that is their choice, this is America. #wasteoftime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,592 Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Leeson said: So those at risk are going to go to work alongside those that aren't at risk. Those that don't want to wear a mask may be spreading the virus. The mask isn't the only thing that should be used to protect someone against the virus. What about all the common areas and things that people have to touch? Basically, at risk people will have to prevent themselves from the virus and people that don't care about spreading the virus. They would need to wear a biohazard suit. Or choose to stay on lockdown. Thems the breaks. Your hypersensitivity to a virus shouldn't prevent everybody else from getting back to life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Strike said: So did I. And you're conveniently ignoring it. Here, I'll post it again: Quote That's exactly the situation they're under now. What does letting those not at risk live their lives have to do with those at risk being careful? If those at risk are going down, everyone else should too? Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you. I'm okay with letting those that are not at risk move forward. My concern is that we are going to punish those that can't move forward. IE being fired for not going to work. How do you determine if those risks are going down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 14, 2020 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30229-1/fulltext Quote While the COVID-19 pandemic will increase mortality due to the virus, it is also likely to increase mortality indirectly. In this study, we estimate the additional maternal and under-5 child deaths resulting from the potential disruption of health systems and decreased access to food. Our least severe scenario (coverage reductions of 9·8–18·5% and wasting increase of 10%) over 6 months would result in 253,500 additional child deaths and 12,200 additional maternal deaths. Our most severe scenario (coverage reductions of 39·3–51·9% and wasting increase of 50%) over 6 months would result in 1 157 000 additional child deaths and 56 700 additional maternal deaths. These additional deaths would represent an increase of 9·8–44·7% in under-5 child deaths per month, and an 8·3–38·6% increase in maternal deaths per month, across the 118 countries. Across our three scenarios, the reduced coverage of four childbirth interventions (parenteral administration of uterotonics, antibiotics, and anticonvulsants, and clean birth environments) would account for approximately 60% of additional maternal deaths. The increase in wasting prevalence would account for 18–23% of additional child deaths and reduced coverage of antibiotics for pneumonia and neonatal sepsis and of oral rehydration solution for diarrhoea would together account for around 41% of additional child deaths. Our estimates are based on tentative assumptions and represent a wide range of outcomes. Nonetheless, they show that, if routine health care is disrupted and access to food is decreased (as a result of unavoidable shocks, health system collapse, or intentional choices made in responding to the pandemic), the increase in child and maternal deaths will be devastating. We hope these numbers add context as policy makers establish guidelines and allocate resources in the days and months to come. People are not going to doctors because of the shutdown. Routine doctor visits are not allowed some places right now. The food supply chain is shocked as well. All of these shut down decisions have consequences. Some of y'all and people in government are so focused on Covid-19 itself you simply cannot see the forest for the trees. The cure shouldn't be worse than the virus. Wake the fock up. This is not a partisan issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, 5-Points said: Or choose to stay on lockdown. Thems the breaks. Your hypersensitivity to a virus shouldn't prevent everybody else from getting back to life. I never said anyone else should be prevented from getting back to life. Fock, you guys are slow. I would compare it to ADA regulations. Should we have handicap parking spaces or elevators, or just say Fock them? I can walk up stairs, they can stay in the parking lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 14, 2020 The difference between conservatives and libtards is on display with McConnell and Pelosi. You barely ever hear a good word about McConnell from the conservatives here, as a matter of fact, he gets put down a lot. On the other hand, libtards cheer on Pelosi. They both suck. But one side acts like fanboys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 How many of you would agree to paying those with REAL disabilities the next stimulus check, while not giving it to those that have no medical condition. There would be strict oversight and penalty for people faking it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: Well then that is their choice, this is America. #wasteoftime But you said they were already isolated. Which is it? #toodumbtocomprehend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,628 Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Leeson said: Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you. I'm okay with letting those that are not at risk move forward. My concern is that we are going to punish those that can't move forward. IE being fired for not going to work. How do you determine if those risks are going down? Again, this is already the situation those people are in right now. Whether we allow those not at risk to live their lives has nothing to do with how we treat those at risk. Until you agree with that, we're just talking past each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,592 Posted May 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Leeson said: I never said anyone else should be prevented from getting back to life. Fock, you guys are slow. I would compare it to ADA regulations. Should we have handicap parking spaces or elevators, or just say Fock them? I can walk up stairs, they can stay in the parking lot. Good. So you agree that everybody without underlying health conditions should be able to go back to work and recreational activities with no restrictions on group size or social distancing and those with underlying conditions should continue to take the necessary precautions to keep themselves safe. Good talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Good. So you agree that everybody without underlying health conditions should be able to go back to work and recreational activities with no restrictions on group size or social distancing and those with underlying conditions should continue to take the necessary precautions to keep themselves safe. Good talk. Nope. If a person is not at risk, and goes to work at Starbucks, they will have exposure to 100's of people through the course of a shift. They then go home to an elderly person or someone with a medical condition. Why do you feel it's unnecessary to do anything to help prevent the spread to those at risk, by those not at risk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Strike said: Again, this is already the situation those people are in right now. Whether we allow those not at risk to live their lives has nothing to do with how we treat those at risk. Until you agree with that, we're just talking past each other. 12 minutes ago, Leeson said: How many of you would agree to paying those with REAL disabilities the next stimulus check, while not giving it to those that have no medical condition. There would be strict oversight and penalty for people faking it. This would help those at risk. Curious what you think of this suggestion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted May 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Leeson said: But you said they were already isolated. Which is it? #toodumbtocomprehend isolate [isolate] VERB cause (a person or place) to be or remain alone or apart from others. I think this is what we Have been doing for months. #wasteoftime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 14, 2020 Just open things up and get the economy going again. Some people will die, most people will live. So be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 14, 2020 This Leeson fellow talks in circles. All over the place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Utilit99 said: Just open things up and get the economy going again. Some people will die, most people will live. So be it. Can we expand this to everything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, KSB2424 said: This Leeson fellow talks in circles. All over the place. #wasteoftime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Leeson said: Can we expand this to everything? Was there another topic in this thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, KSB2424 said: This Leeson fellow talks in circles. All over the place. Not really. People here have an agenda and they think anything that looks like a threat to that agenda must be a threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Leeson said: Not really. People here have an agenda and they think anything that looks like a threat to that agenda must be a threat. People here? What agenda? To get the economy back on track before the country turns into a shlthole? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Utilit99 said: Was there another topic in this thread? Does it matter? I wonder if every decision should be made based on economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Leeson said: Does it matter? I wonder if every decision should be made based on economy. I was just talking about this one. But if you got something else, fire away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeson 54 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Utilit99 said: People here? What agenda? To get the economy back on track before the country turns into a shlthole? There are two sides to this. I've asked this question a couple of times. But, none of you have answered. 19 minutes ago, Leeson said: How many of you would agree to paying those with REAL disabilities the next stimulus check, while not giving it to those that have no medical condition. There would be strict oversight and penalty for people faking it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Utilit99 said: People here? What agenda? To get the economy back on track before the country turns into a shlthole? POW! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites