Coronavirus - Doomsday

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Thirteen. What's next? Are you going to ask my location?

What are you wearing?

[Leeson 54]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Your cute little pictures didn't prove anything.  I'm sorry critical thinking and logic are beyond your cognitive ability.

North Carolina? You seemed to skip over that.

[KSB2424 3,148]

5 minutes ago, The Observer said:

In my state, where my county is still in red phase (full shelter-in-place), the natives are getting restless. A lot of people are calling for Governor Wolf's head.  I was in total agreement when he called for the lockdown. My county is currently listed as locked down until June 4th. While I was in agreement, I was not crazy about what was designated as essential and what wasn't. I believe we are the only state that stopped real estate.  Absolutely no showings allowed.  I think that's one of the easier things you can do and still maintain distancing. Liquor stores were shut down too, so tons of people drive to New Jersey and give that state the revenue. Totally stupid IMO.  I would like to see things start to open up. I think it's crazy that you can go to Walmart right now and buy a surfboard and swimsuit but if you owned a small surf shop and opened, you'd be fined and lose your business license. I don't think it's time yet for bars and restaurants in my area, but would love to see other workplaces be allowed to open. I think Jun 4th is too far off.  Would like to see it moved up to this coming Monday. (May 18th)

As for social gatherings, a lot of the group that my girlfriend and I hang with are already out socializing. There is a distinct division according to political affiliation (Probably all over the country). The Trump people are out all the time. I was invited to a backyard firepit get together tomorrow night.  Smallish yard and they invited about 20 people.  We are going to pass this time around.  I work with a 70 year-old man and I just don't want to be around that many people and then expose him to it on Monday. But I have no problem with the people who are attending. 

That's a lot of words, but in a quick overview, I want businesses to start opening but not quite ready for social halls and such.

Well that's in the bell curve of normal.  So why are you so animated in this thread?

[Strike 5,625]

Just now, Leeson said:

North Carolina? You seemed to skip over that.

I asked for proof.  You posted two links, neither of which supported your assertion.  If you want to post one about NC go for it. 

[Leeson 54]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

Who said we should stop testing people?  And don't bump one person, a consensus. 

That answer was in response someone asking what my point was. We are not testing enough. The solution to this problem where everyone gets what they want is to test as many people as possible. Do you think that's what Trump or anyone else in the current administration wants? 

[Leeson 54]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

What are you wearing?

Your mom.

[Leeson 54]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I asked for proof.  You posted two links, neither of which supported your assertion.  If you want to post one about NC go for it. 

And Dumbeski asked about Georgia with no link. Didn't see you asking him for proof.

[Leeson 54]

There's the lunch bell.

My work here is done.

[Strike 5,625]

Just now, Leeson said:

That answer was in response someone asking what my point was. We are not testing enough. The solution to this problem where everyone gets what they want is to test as many people as possible. Do you think that's what Trump or anyone else in the current administration wants? 

Find me a group of medical professionals that thinks testing everyone is the answer.   Post the link.  You can hold whatever opinion you want but I don't believe any people associated with fighting this thing have suggested we should be testing EVERYONE.  We have to test more, and test those that it makes sense to test, but that is nowhere near EVERYONE or "as many people as possible."

[The Observer 641]

Just now, KSB2424 said:

Well that's in the bell curve of normal.  So why are you so animated in this thread?

I offer my thougyts based on what is posted.  To be honest, I don't know what exactly I've posted in this thread, but I respect someone's opinion if they want their area to open. I'm not facing the financial hardship that a lot of people are from this, as I've been fortunate enough to be working.  I don't respect people who are careless about it and boast about not wearing masks or implying deaths don't matter because it's mostly old people.

[Strike 5,625]

Just now, Leeson said:

And Dumbeski asked about Georgia with no link. Didn't see you asking him for proof.

I didn't need to.  I'm already familiar with why someone posted Georgia as an example, and the success that is happening in Georgia.  I ask for proof of things I'm either not informed about or don't believe.  Why would I ask for proof about things I'm already informed about?

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

I didn't need to.  I'm already familiar with why someone posted Georgia as an example, and the success that is happening in Georgia.  I ask for proof of things I'm either not informed about or don't believe.  Why would I ask for proof about things I'm already informed about?

Georgia's lack of surge is one of the reasons my opinion changed on my county beginning to reopen. As soon as Gov Kemp announced the reopening, I viewed them as the canary in a coalmine and I've been keeping an eye on their numbers. 

[Intense Observer 344]

24 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Start here.  Or here. 

Worthless data without reporting number of tests.

Also, some of the increases are due to state labs dumping old results with this week's data, see LA.

And at least one state, KY, is due to prison testing, which has zero relevance to the outside population.

[KSB2424 3,148]

13 minutes ago, Leeson said:

North Carolina? You seemed to skip over that.

Ooooh pick me pick me, I live in NC.

We've had a TOTAL of 661 deaths as of today.  Which ranks 21st in the USA in deaths by Covid-19 despite being 9th in population in America.

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As we ramp up testing, there will be more laboratory-confirmed cases. Looking at what percent of total tests are positive helps us understand whether laboratory-confirmed cases are increasing in comparison to the number of tests conducted. 

To calculate this, North Carolina uses positive tests and total test numbers from labs that reported both positive and negative tests electronically into the NC Electronic Disease Surveillance System (NC EDSS). This ensures that the positive and total tests were conducted on the same day to calculate a more accurate daily percent positive. 
Limitation: While most labs report negative results, we do not get this data from all labs. The labs used in the percent positive calculation represent the majority of total tests reported to the state. 

 

Our peak was mid April where 17% of tests resulted in positive for Covid-19.  That has trended downward since April 17th until today where that percentage is 7%.

https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard

 

[Intense Observer 344]

20 minutes ago, Leeson said:

So thinking for yourself is now anti Trump? 

In case I haven't made it clear. I want mass testing to see who has covid and who had it. If we could eliminate a large percent of the population as having antibodies, those people would be able to do things without fear. The rest would know what to watch for. Testing would eventually start to go down because people that have had it wouldn't need to be tested again.

At this point, the only reason not to test is political. That seems dumb regardless of which side of the aisle you align with.

There is not a single person in America who wants a test being refused a test right now.

And if it did happen, it is because of local politicians/hospitals playing games.

The US has tested more than every other country combined.

I can't believe anyone is still hung up on the muh testing talking point.

 

[Intense Observer 344]

Some more positive data about COVID-19:

-95% of deaths are from people with underlying conditions

-Median age of death is 72

- 74% of deaths are people 65+

https://www.al.com/news/2020/05/95-of-alabama-coronavirus-deaths-among-people-with-underlying-conditions.html

 

[The Observer 641]

3 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

There is not a single person in America who wants a test being refused a test right now.

And if it did happen, it is because of local politicians/hospitals playing games.

The US has tested more than every other country combined.

I can't believe anyone is still hung up on the muh testing talking point.

 

Why is the White House using widespread rapid testing and then quarantining asymptomatic positives and then contact tracing and isolating those who have had contact with them? 

See, Trump knows how to keep people safe. He just doesn't give a sh1t unless its himself or family members. 

[jerryskids 6,871]

Positive cases are increasing in places because testing is increasing.  That is middle school math.  A better gauge is, say, hospitalizations.  The link below is an informative dashboard for Arizona; click on the hospitalizations button.  You'll see a graph which clearly shows a decreased number.  Yesterday the entire state had 4 new hospitalizations.  The day before, 3.  Daily numbers are always suspect but the trend is clear.  It's time to start opening up, which we are doing, with restrictions.  We'll see a second wave I presume, hopefully less than the first, but if not we'll adapt.  

https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

[12th Man 884]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Positive cases are increasing in places because testing is increasing.  That is middle school math.  A better gauge is, say, hospitalizations.  The link below is an informative dashboard for Arizona; click on the hospitalizations button.  You'll see a graph which clearly shows a decreased number.  Yesterday the entire state had 4 new hospitalizations.  The day before, 3.  Daily numbers are always suspect but the trend is clear.  It's time to start opening up, which we are doing, with restrictions.  We'll see a second wave I presume, hopefully less than the first, but if not we'll adapt.  

https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

This was the 2nd wave.  The first wave was here sooner than we are being told.  

[nzoner 937]

33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Positive cases are increasing in places because testing is increasing.  That is middle school math.  A better gauge is, say, hospitalizations.  The link below is an informative dashboard for Arizona; click on the hospitalizations button.  You'll see a graph which clearly shows a decreased number.  Yesterday the entire state had 4 new hospitalizations.  The day before, 3.  Daily numbers are always suspect but the trend is clear.  It's time to start opening up, which we are doing, with restrictions.  We'll see a second wave I presume, hopefully less than the first, but if not we'll adapt.  

https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

  We had 46 confirmed cases until about two weeks ago when a local pork plant got tested and 412 asymptomatic cases were confirmed.So far there's been one death and that was a 40 year old man with underlying conditions.Of course the libs in this area are all freaking out about the bars and restaurants opening back up when our Wal-Marts,Sams,Home Depot and Menard's have all been packed for the better part of six weeks.

[Reality 3,121]

1 hour ago, Leeson said:

There's the lunch bell.

My work here is done.

Probably best to bow out, you've reached Newbie level absurdity. It's very clear that you don't have an actual argument. Talking in circles etc and talking shots at people.

We're opening back up with common sense guidelines. It's time.

[drobeski 3,061]

Why did [D]s push 'everything is fine' narrative early on [ex: Pelosi China town]?
Why did science board push [no need close China travel] narrative early on?
Why did [select] govs push COVID-19 positive elderly patients into nursing homes [most at risk_proven] when surplus of availability in hospitals [+ USNS_Comfort]?
Why are CDC numbers conflating COVID-19 deaths with influenza, pneumonia, other?
Why are influenza deaths at [all-time] historical low levels vs years past [outside of standard deviation]?
Why are COVID-19 tests returning positive results on pawpaw's and animals?
Why are [select] swing states undergoing heavy quarantine extensions?
Why are possible [treatments][cures] being prevented and attacked [USA]?
"Testing, Testing, Testing, Tracing, and Isolation." - [Pelosi]

[drobeski 3,061]

 

[Leeson 54]

1 hour ago, Intense Observer said:

There is not a single person in America who wants a test being refused a test right now.

And if it did happen, it is because of local politicians/hospitals playing games.

The US has tested more than every other country combined.

I can't believe anyone is still hung up on the muh testing talking point.

 

We are in agreement. You guys are so busy looking for TDS people that you can't even think straight. (you even quoted me in your post)

2 hours ago, Leeson said:

So thinking for yourself is now anti Trump? 

In case I haven't made it clear. I want mass testing to see who has covid and who had it. If we could eliminate a large percent of the population as having antibodies, those people would be able to do things without fear. The rest would know what to watch for. Testing would eventually start to go down because people that have had it wouldn't need to be tested again.

At this point, the only reason not to test is political. That seems dumb regardless of which side of the aisle you align with.

 

[FeelingMN 273]

1 hour ago, Intense Observer said:

The US has tested more than every other country combined.

 

 

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President Trump has repeatedly said the US has carried out more tests than every other country in the world combined.

He tweeted the claim again on 12 May, when a total of 9,974,831 tests had been carried out in the US.

It's true that this is more tests than any other single country.

However, it's nowhere near as many as the rest of the world combined.

Just adding together the testing totals on 12 May for Germany, Russia and the UK gives you more than the those carried out in the US.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52493073

 

 

[Leeson 54]

37 minutes ago, Reality said:

Probably best to bow out, you've reached Newbie level absurdity. It's very clear that you don't have an actual argument. Talking in circles etc and talking shots at people.

We're opening back up with common sense guidelines. It's time.

I went and had lunch. Why would I bow out. 

You don't even know what my argument is, but you're telling me I don't have one. I'm taking shots at people. I suggest you go back and count how many times I've been a target. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Point to where I said we shouldn't open with common sense guidelines. Can you please define what YOU think common sense guidelines are? I'm sure there are a more than a few here that would call you crazy for thinking that.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,369]

I watched zombie land 1&2 last night. When do they start coming for us? Cause if they don’t. I’m going back to work

[wiffleball 4,790]

So the three most consistent symptoms of a proven inconsistent symptomology are fever, shortness of breath, and fatigue.

 

Hope to Christ they didn't set up testing sites at the end of the Boston Marathon.

[Leeson 54]

23 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

So the three most consistent symptoms of a proven inconsistent symptomology are fever, shortness of breath, and fatigue.

 

Hope to Christ they didn't set up testing sites at the end of the Boston Marathon.

Speaking of Boston. Didn't they shut down Metro Boston and ask people to stay inside when the bombers were on the loose? Curios if people said "fock that, this is a free country"?

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Speaking of Boston. Didn't they shut down Metro Boston and ask people to stay inside when the bombers were on the loose? Curios if people said "fock that, this is a free country"?

I think most people have a better chance of surviving this virus than surviving a bomb explosion.

Plus, I don't think the whole country closed down during what you are mentioning. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Can we not go there with the Marathon bombing? Dumb analogy both ways. Don’t go there with 9/11 either. 

[Leeson 54]

2 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Can we not go there with the Marathon bombing? Dumb analogy both ways. Don’t go there with 9/11 either. 

Out of respect, I won't respond to Utilit. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

9 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Can we not go there with the Marathon bombing? Dumb analogy both ways. Don’t go there with 9/11 either. 

My point is the stupidity of the symptomology.

 

Flee in terror from the asthmatic dude with sleep apnea and allergies.

[Fireballer 2,647]

7 hours ago, The Observer said:

Why is the White House using widespread rapid testing and then quarantining asymptomatic positives and then contact tracing and isolating those who have had contact with them? 

See, Trump knows how to keep people safe. He just doesn't give a sh1t unless its himself or family members. 

Youve brought this up several times. How do you do that for 330 million people?  Its obvious that thats an effective method to cut spread, but literally impossible for the entire country.  Please lay out your plan to test every citizen daily.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

4 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

My point is the stupidity of the symptomology.

 

Flee in terror from the asthmatic dude with sleep apnea and allergies.

It is an issue. We are checking out all of our staff before they head into work by asking them if they have any of 14 symptoms. Most indicate that seasonal allergies will show at least 2-3’of them.

Totally agree, but we have to start somewhere to ensure that those who are symptomatic don’t come into work. Given that many are asymptomatic and are still carriers, we have to use additional steps to help prevent a “super spreader” event. That is where preventing large crowds, masks, social distancing, good hygiene, etc. come into play. 
 

I didn’t want to cause the “discussion” (aka slap fight) to stop, but a terrorist act is not analogous to a pandemic.

[Leeson 54]

4 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

It is an issue. We are checking out all of our staff before they head into work by asking them if they have any of 14 symptoms. Most indicate that seasonal allergies will show at least 2-3’of them.

Totally agree, but we have to start somewhere to ensure that those who are symptomatic don’t come into work. Given that many are asymptomatic and are still carriers, we have to use additional steps to help prevent a “super spreader” event. That is where preventing large crowds, masks, social distancing, good hygiene, etc. come into play. 
 

I didn’t want to cause the “discussion” (aka slap fight) to stop, but a terrorist act is not analogous to a pandemic.

It's not. That wasn't my point. How we as a country are acting is the point. Whether is was Boston or 9/11, we came together as a country to do whatever it took to help the victims and heal the Nation. This virus will go down in history as being as significant as either of those attacks. Imagine people protesting against FDNY or NYPD in the days, or even months, after 9/11. Yet it's happening to our health care professionals.

[Intense Observer 344]

7 hours ago, The Observer said:

Why is the White House using widespread rapid testing and then quarantining asymptomatic positives and then contact tracing and isolating those who have had contact with them? 

See, Trump knows how to keep people safe. He just doesn't give a sh1t unless its himself or family members. 

Why does the President have 3,000 Secret Service agents guarding him from people like you?

The president is more important than anyone else, whether you like him or not.

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 minutes ago, Leeson said:

It's not. That wasn't my point. How we as a country are acting is the point. Whether is was Boston or 9/11, we came together as a country to do whatever it took to help the victims and heal the Nation. This virus will go down in history as being as significant as either of those attacks. Imagine people protesting against FDNY or NYPD in the days, or even months, after 9/11. Yet it's happening to our health care professionals.

Nobody felt the affect around the country like you think they did. A couple clowns put some shlt bombs in a marathon and it permanently impacted some people that were at the location. The people in Arizona and Texas only looked on and felt bad and went to work the next day.

[Leeson 54]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

Nobody felt the affect around the country like you think they did. A couple clowns put some shlt bombs and it impacted some people that were at the location. Those people in Arizona and Texas only looked on and felt bad and went to work the next day.

Can you clarify if you're talking about Boston or 9/11? Because your statement of "impacting people at one specific location had no effect on anyone else",  is exactly what I was talking about.

 

[Intense Observer 344]

15 minutes ago, Leeson said:

It's not. That wasn't my point. How we as a country are acting is the point. Whether is was Boston or 9/11, we came together as a country to do whatever it took to help the victims and heal the Nation. This virus will go down in history as being as significant as either of those attacks. Imagine people protesting against FDNY or NYPD in the days, or even months, after 9/11. Yet it's happening to our health care professionals.

Imagine CNN blaming the dead people from WTC or Boston on W or Obama while the bodies were still warm.

The response by governors, Congress, and media is 100% to divide and destroy this country so Trump loses in November.

Too bad Americans are stronger than that. Trump will MAGA-A