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9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, age is correlation not causation.  It is the health comorbidities which tend to come with age which are the causations.

Not so much with death though.  I know that link isn't exact but even compare 2 scenarios where the age isn't that different:

60-year old male with no comorbidities: 1.5% chance of death, 15.5% chance of hospitalization

50-year old male with obesity, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes: 1.0% chance of death, 25.7% chance of hospitalization

 

Hence why I said the comorbidities are more a predictor of hospitalization than death.

 

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12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, age is correlation not causation.  It is the health comorbidities which tend to come with age which are the causations.

Ridiculous to even have this discussion.  

The odds of an 80 year old dying in the next year 5.52%

The odds of an 60 year old dying in the next year 0.80%

That means the odds of an 80 yo dying are roughly 7x a 60 year old.

Yet only 2x the 80 yos have died of covid compared to 60 yos.  

So STFU about age being the #1 factor, it's another lie that you have bought into, dummy. Not you jerry. 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not so much with death though.  I know that link isn't exact but even compare 2 scenarios where the age isn't that different:

60-year old male with no comorbidities: 1.5% chance of death, 15.5% chance of hospitalization

50-year old male with obesity, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes: 1.0% chance of death, 25.7% chance of hospitalization

 

Hence why I said the comorbidities are more a predictor of hospitalization than death.

 

I would argue that this is a lack of understanding all of the true comorbidities vs. the calendar age at which you left your birthing person’s womb, which I have a hard time believing Covid knows precisely, but then again I do not belong to the Party of Science.

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7 minutes ago, DonS said:

Works both ways.  Continuing to wear a mask when it's deemed unnecessary also makes it easy to identify the sky screamers.  :thumbsup:

 

Easier for the snipers to find their targets. :pointstosky:

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8 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Ridiculous to even have this discussion.  

The odds of an 80 year old dying in the next year 5.52%

The odds of an 60 year old dying in the next year 0.80%

That means the odds of an 80 yo dying are roughly 7x a 60 year old.

Yet only 2x the 80 yos have died of covid compared to 60 yos.  

So STFU about age being the #1 factor, it's another lie that you have bought into, dummy. Not you jerry. 

 

 

 

So you admit you were wrong when you wrote this?

On 4/17/2021 at 5:06 PM, TimmySmith said:

Wrong again. 50 year old fatties have a far worse chance than an 80 year old in good shape. 

 

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At the hospital for my wife's chemo.  On the way in I realized there is a group of folks that I can't wait to see unemployed: the front door covid screener. 

It's always the same: answer no no no no no to the same list of questions, get temp check, take your sticker.

Nothing against them personally as I think most are volunteers, but still.  

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17 minutes ago, DonS said:

At the hospital for my wife's chemo.  On the way in I realized there is a group of folks that I can't wait to see unemployed: the front door covid screener. 

It's always the same: answer no no no no no to the same list of questions, get temp check, take your sticker.

Nothing against them personally as I think most are volunteers, but still.  

I went in for blood work last week. At the front desk, the screener was writing out the "Screened" sticker while asking me the questions. She handed me the sticker, and THEN took my temperature. :wacko:

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Speaking of the comorbidities, if you look past the "6%!!!" garbage (well apparently it's 5% now), even some of the most common actual comorbidities, aren't as common as I bet people think.

To be clear, the two most common conditions leading to that "6%" are "influenza and pneumonia" and "respiratory failure," which were likely just symptoms of covid.

So of conditions that would have been pre-existing, none were mentioned in more than 20% of the deaths.  The highest was high blood pressure at 20%.   Diabetes 16% and obesity only 4% for 2 of the other conditions that are often mentioned.    Obviously they are risk factors, but it's wrong to say that you have "zero risk" if you don't have those conditions.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities / https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Conditions-contributing-to-deaths-involving-corona/hk9y-quqm

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Well how about that. The people telling you to take the poison aren't taking it themselves. Guarantee fauci got saline solution pumped into him.

About 40-50% of CDC, FDA employees are refusing the COVID-19 vaccine according to Fauci & Marks.

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Wal-Mart has jumped . No more masks needed. Scamdemic can't get in the way of profits anymore. 

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And the idiot Gov in Ohio, just blew $5 million of the budget bribing the residents to get the jab right before masks off. 🤣

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What changed? I thought masks work? We have a bunch of covid mutations running around. Just 2 weeks ago there was talk of another Michigan shut down.

Weird...

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29 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

What changed? I thought masks work? We have a bunch of covid mutations running around. Just 2 weeks ago there was talk of another Michigan shut down.

Weird...

They are covidiots for a reason. They were duped as predicted. 

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29 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

What changed? I thought masks work? We have a bunch of covid mutations running around. Just 2 weeks ago there was talk of another Michigan shut down.

Weird...

People getting vaccinated and metrics improving.

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OMG. That idiot Dr. Wen now saying...'how do we know people are telling the truth'. 🤣

Fock, you can't make this sh1t up.

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11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

People getting vaccinated and metrics improving.

🤣 Wrong. Biden said those of us not vaxxed still have to wear a mask. These jackwads can't keep their scandemic BS together. According to the clown in PA and the clown in MICH, they are not lifting the mask BS until 70% are vaxxed. Now they are changing their minds.

I'll tell you the real reason. It's called misdirection.

The Rice administration is a total disaster and need to get the economy moving.
-The Unemployment Crisis - this is number 1 on the list. They need people back to work because they cannot keep handing out $.
-The Border Crisis
-The Middle East Crisis
-The Gas Crisis
-The Inflation Crisis

Oh yeah, I told ya weeks ago we were way past herd immunity. 

 

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1 minute ago, lod001 said:

🤣 Wrong. Biden said those of us not vaxxed still have to wear a mask. These jackwads can't keep their scandemic BS together. According to the clown in PA and the clown in MICH, they are not lifting the mask BS until 70% are vaxxed. Now they are changing their minds.

I'll tell you the real reason. It's called misdirection.

The Rice administration is a total disaster and need to get the economy moving.
-The Unemployment Crisis - this is number 1 on the list. They need people back to work because they cannot keep handing out $.
-The Border Crisis
-The Middle East Crisis
-The Gas Crisis
-The Inflation Crisis

 

In other words: Pay no attention to the man (aka POTUS) sh1tting in his Depends behind the curtain. 

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1 minute ago, DonS said:

In other words: Pay no attention to the man (aka POTUS) sh1tting in his Depends behind the curtain. 

Yep.

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29 minutes ago, lod001 said:

OMG. That idiot Dr. Wen now saying...'how do we know people are telling the truth'. 🤣

Fock, you can't make this sh1t up.

 

22 minutes ago, lod001 said:

🤣 Wrong. Biden said those of us not vaxxed still have to wear a mask. These jackwads can't keep their scandemic BS together. According to the clown in PA and the clown in MICH, they are not lifting the mask BS until 70% are vaxxed. Now they are changing their minds.

I'll tell you the real reason. It's called misdirection.

The Rice administration is a total disaster and need to get the economy moving.
-The Unemployment Crisis - this is number 1 on the list. They need people back to work because they cannot keep handing out $.
-The Border Crisis
-The Middle East Crisis
-The Gas Crisis
-The Inflation Crisis

Oh yeah, I told ya weeks ago we were way past herd immunity. 

 

We weren’t way past herd immunity weeks ago...

And you’re moving the goalposts per usual.

Improving metrics are why states are easing mask mandates as I predicted.  I remember the posts on here saying “we’re going to have to wear masks forever!!”  But of course now that you realize you won’t you’ve found a new reason to complain.

The CDC should have always said vaccinated people didn’t need masks as I’ve always said (so yea that they are “changing their minds” on), however I’ve also always said you should need to show proof if there was a mandate in place.  Dr. Wen was also critical of the CDC saying vaccinated people needed masks, I think you probably even posted the video of it...

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

 

We weren’t way past herd immunity weeks ago...

And you’re moving the goalposts per usual.

Improving metrics are why states are easing mask mandates as I predicted.  I remember the posts on here saying “we’re going to have to wear masks forever!!”  But of course now that you realize you won’t you’ve found a new reason to complain.

The CDC should have always said vaccinated people didn’t need masks as I’ve always said (so yea that they are “changing their minds” on), however I’ve also always said you should need to show proof if there was a mandate in place.  Dr. Wen was also critical of the CDC saying vaccinated people needed masks, I think you probably even posted the video of it...

Meh, more like a bunch of states opened up months ago, the media claimed there would be massive outbreaks because of it and nothing really happened. Time to move on, everybody finally realizes it.

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14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

People getting vaccinated and metrics improving.

"Metrics improving" 

It's words like this that really piss people off. Metrics need a goal and no real goal was ever established. Jim Jordans hammered Fauci on this and he couldn't give an answer.

As I said we went from another posaible shut down to everything getting lifted. 

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2 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

"Metrics improving" 

It's words like this that really piss people off. Metrics need a goal and no real goal was ever established. Jim Jordans hammered Fauci on this and he couldn't give an answer.

As I said we went from another posaible shut down to everything getting lifted. 

Did everything get lifted in Michigan?  I don’t live there but all I see is that they followed the CDC’s change of masks not required for vaccinated people or outdoors.

This looks like they do have specific targets for lifting further restrictions (so no, not everything was lifted) - https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2021/05/12/11-takeaways-from-covid-briefing-restriction-changes-whitmers-florida-trip-metrics-progress/

Daily cases in Michigan are 1/3 of what they were a month ago, so yes the metrics are improving.

Again, you guys are too funny.  First it’s “why are masks required outdoors!!” then when they’re not it’s “wait I thought masks worked!!”

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9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did everything get lifted in Michigan?  I don’t live there but all I see is that they followed the CDC’s change of masks not required for vaccinated people or outdoors.

This looks like they do have specific targets for lifting further restrictions (so no, not everything was lifted) - https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2021/05/12/11-takeaways-from-covid-briefing-restriction-changes-whitmers-florida-trip-metrics-progress/

Daily cases in Michigan are 1/3 of what they were a month ago, so yes the metrics are improving.

Again, you guys are too funny.  First it’s “why are masks required outdoors!!” then when they’re not it’s “wait I thought masks worked!!”

Nah, funny is the sky screamers basically claiming civilization would end just a few ago when states opened up. Grossly exaggerated claims based on nothing but fear. 

Normal folks have moved on, they no longer listen to the sky screamers. 

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Assume everybody you are arguing with online about moving on with life is this person. Disgusting individual who should be far more worried about her own BMI than a vaccinated kid no longer wearing a mask.

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Jeez: "I don't care if you are vaccinated ya little jerk. I don't want to get sick and die!!!"

Says the morbidly obese woman.

 

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16 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

We weren’t way past herd immunity weeks ago...

And you’re moving the goalposts per usual.

Improving metrics are why states are easing mask mandates as I predicted.  I remember the posts on here saying “we’re going to have to wear masks forever!!”  But of course now that you realize you won’t you’ve found a new reason to complain.

The CDC should have always said vaccinated people didn’t need masks as I’ve always said (so yea that they are “changing their minds” on), however I’ve also always said you should need to show proof if there was a mandate in place.  Dr. Wen was also critical of the CDC saying vaccinated people needed masks, I think you probably even posted the video of it...

CDC and blue areas are changing their positions because of polling, not science.  Unless the CDC has new scientific data they didn't have last week.

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16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

CDC and blue areas are changing their positions because of polling, not science.  Unless the CDC has new scientific data they didn't have last week.

No doubt about it. One thing you know the left stays on top of is their popularity ratings. Too bad they don't actually listen and change things for the better. They just try to put up a front that they are listening and care about the country and only give in when their they are in a tail spin. 

Well, they should get ready for this happening on a more consistent basis. We'll see more hacking, continued border chaos, a plummeting of the economy, continued racial divide, mega upticks in violent crime in their cities, murders and the like, wars in the middle east with bombs labeled as made Iran all funded by American dollars that creepy joe sends to them.

The democrats will mourn the day when people all say fock off to this chinese flu shlt. That virus was the best thing that have happened to this country as far as the left's political posturing was concerned. Now it's just stupid and they know the people know that they have all been tricked.

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13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

CDC and blue areas are changing their positions because of polling, not science.  Unless the CDC has new scientific data they didn't have last week.

Kind of.  I agree they should have said vaccinated people didn’t need masks from the get go (which I’ve said repeatedly).  But they were just being overly cautious before, because it was still “possible” to get infected after being vaccinated.  However people took that to mean “SEE!  THE CDC THINKS THE VACCINE DOESNT WORK!!” so I think the thinking is that changing the guidelines will influence more people to get the vaccine.  When in reality, most people that had decided not to get the vaccine likely couldn’t care less about what the CDC says.

Nonetheless, considering most of the recent changes involve vaccinated people, and it’s only been a couple months since many people have had the vaccine, I don’t think it’s ridiculous that some of the guidance has evolved.

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4 hours ago, Reality said:

Nah, funny is the sky screamers basically claiming civilization would end just a few ago when states opened up. Grossly exaggerated claims based on nothing but fear. 

Normal folks have moved on, they no longer listen to the sky screamers. 

Link?  I remember quotes from the likes of Fauci saying stuff like “we’re not out of the woods yet,” but nothing even close to claiming civilization would end.

And in saying that I don’t think he was saying we should even keep all restrictions, I thought it was just in response to places removing ALL restrictions rather than doing it gradually.

Nonetheless, I know I said that with the majority of elderly vaccinated, I’d assume the deaths would start dropping fast, which they have.  And while the numbers (deaths in particular) look the best they have since last June, we are still seeing about 625 deaths/day, but hopefully it continues to decline.  

So hopefully most of those that have “moved on” are vaccinated (which is the point of the vaccine!), because of the ~20k covid deaths in the past month, less than 1% of those had been vaccinated.

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8 minutes ago, Reality said:

I think I've discovered Tim's Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/ImLiteralLarry1?s=09 

Ok, but I don’t see the point of calling out bad predictions from a month ago anyway, if they even were predictions which I doubt.  Lots of bad covid predictions out there on both sides of the aisle.

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7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Ok, but I don’t see the point of calling out bad predictions from a month ago anyway, if they even were predictions which I doubt.  Lots of bad covid predictions out there on both sides of the aisle.

So you don't remember the coverage at all about states like Florida and Texas opening up?

You can get a refresher here.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-florida-michigan-pennsylvania-new-york

Or here

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/dr-vin-gupta-slams-covid-reopening-policies-of-arizona-florida-and-texas.html

Or here

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-03-02/texas-and-other-states-ease-covid-19-rules-despite-warnings

Or here

https://apnews.com/article/texas-other-states-ease-covid-19-restrictions-af9fc214690270fe617864abc772ecce

Or here

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/02/texas-to-lift-mask-mandate-472690

Or here

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/re-opening-plans-red-state-governors-place-dangerous-bet-n1188626

 

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Walmart caves. Target will cave because of that. Disney World in process of caving. All as predicted. $ trumps the virus. Hope the the stupid airlines give up the BS before Memorial Day. There are more of us than there are the scared masktards.

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My wife and I were asked to put a mask on at the farmers market...open air farmers market.  We abruptly left and went to a maskless supermarket to get some produce.  And she is a lefty.

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Employers requiring vaccination will be the next miserable failure as their insurance rates will increase.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/05/vaccine-mandate-comes-liabilities-employers/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium&utm_content=2021-05-15

You can guarantee doctors, of patients who are claiming adverse effects, will sign off on it. Once the bills start hitting the bean counters, they will inform the idiot management of their colossal error.

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3 hours ago, Reality said:

Thanks for the links (although FYI 2 of them were the same exact article).  The worst “prediction” in there was probably from Walensky, although she wasn’t wrong that at the time of some of those changes we were still seeing about 2k deaths per day although they were declining and continued to do so.  Good thing for the vaccine!

I forgot about Biden’s “Neanderthal” comment.  Good thing I didn’t vote for him.  Although in his defense, he made those comments on March 2, and the US saw rising cases for about 6 weeks after that.  Fortunately, we didn’t see rising deaths...good thing for the vaccine!

I mean you guys do realize the main reason for the improving metrics is the vaccine, right?  It was even cited by the Texas and Mississippi governors in the Politico article.

The last link is from April 2020, so not a good example if you’re trying to show improving metrics after easing restrictions.  

But like I said, there have been plenty of bad covid predictions on both sides of the aisle.

 

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