Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,923]

12 minutes ago, Reality said:

He's exactly right, and it wouldn't have stopped him from testing positive anyway.

It would have reduced his chances of doing so by about 70-90%

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It would have reduced his chances of doing so by about 70-90%

C'mon dude. He can choose what he wamts to do. As he should.. Let people live their lives. Step back a bit.

[TimHauck 2,923]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

C'mon dude. He can choose what he wamts to do. As he should.. Let people live their lives. Step back a bit.

I didn’t say he should have taken it.  Just that it would have reduced his chances of testing positive.  That’s a fact.

[lod001 1,344]

The jabs are a complete failure.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-those-who-inoculated-early-twice-as-likely-to-catch-covid-as-later-adopters/

[Reality 3,121]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It would have reduced his chances of doing so by about 70-90%

Yeah, ok.

[TimHauck 2,923]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yeah, ok.

It’s true.  I mean you guys aren’t honestly trying to say the vaccine does nothing to prevent infection, right?  This is embarrassing for you.

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

It’s true.  I mean you guys aren’t honestly trying to say the vaccine does nothing to prevent infection, right?  This is embarrassing for you.

Yeah, ok, you keep buying the bs they are selling. They have no clue how much fully vaccinated people are spreading the virus. Why do you think they are panicking and bringing back mask mandates?

Jesus man, aren't you tired of being lied to only to look like a focking idiot later? That has to be demoralizing.

There's some middle ground between nothing and 70-90% protected, btw... Idiot 

[Fireballer 2,643]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It’s true.  I mean you guys aren’t honestly trying to say the vaccine does nothing to prevent infection, right?  This is embarrassing for you.

LMAO...reducing your changing of getting it and "it does nothing" are worlds apart.  But, literally, being a young healthy guy, why would he take an experimental vaccine even if gave him a 99% chance of not getting it?  Him getting it and letting his 20 something year old immune system handle it is a smart choice.

[TimHauck 2,923]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

LMAO...reducing your changing of getting it and "it does nothing" are worlds apart.  But, literally, being a young healthy guy, why would he take an experimental vaccine even if gave him a 99% chance of not getting it?  Him getting it and letting his 20 something year old immune system handle it is a smart choice.

I don’t think it’s funny.  You’ve got lod saying they’re a compete failure, Timmy saying the rising cases are due to the vaccinated, and Reality saying Bryson would have tested positive anyway, so yeah it kinda does seem like some people literally think it does nothing to prevent covid.

If he wasn’t a pro golfer I think it would make sense not to get it.  The main reason for him to get it is because of exactly what  happened - to lower your chances of testing positive and thus not being able to compete in an event.  

Also it looks a lot of the twitter comments are just making fun of how he said to “save it for someone else” as if there’s a shortage in the US.

[Fireballer 2,643]

56 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

If he wasn’t a pro golfer I think it would make sense not to get it.  The main reason for him to get it is because of exactly what  happened - to lower your chances of testing positive and thus not being able to compete in an event.  

 

Absurdity, dude.  There's been no work related requirement for him to get it. A healthy 27 year old getting vaxxed to be able to play golf is a moronic reason to get vaxxed, considering 18-29 year olds represent a statistically insignificant death rate . Fuking look at Rahm.  Worked for him, huh? 

And what ever happened to the "doing your part" BS you espouse?  But golf would be Bryson's primary reason to get vaxxed?  You've got Covid posting hangover.  You've made so many posts, with so many opinions, that I sincerely think you've forgotten what stances you have taken.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

5 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Absurdity, dude.  There's been no work related requirement for him to get it. A healthy 27 year old getting vaxxed to be able to play golf is a moronic reason to get vaxxed, considering 18-29 year olds represent a statistically insignificant death rate . Fuking look at Rahm.  Worked for him, huh? 

And what ever happened to the "doing your part" BS you espouse?  But golf would be Bryson's primary reason to get vaxxed?  You've got Covid posting hangover.  You've made so many posts, with so many opinions, that I sincerely think you've forgotten what stances you have taken.

Thats because none of the outrage at people not taking the vaccine was ever about covid. It is about how dare you evade control.

Look at the NFL. Players like Beasley and Cousins are getting hammered. I'm proud of my QB (Tannehill) for calling the NFL out.

[BeenHereBefore 1,537]

Proud of them too!

[listen2me 23 1,874]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think it’s funny.  You’ve got lod saying they’re a compete failure, Timmy saying the rising cases are due to the vaccinated, and Reality saying Bryson would have tested positive anyway, so yeah it kinda does seem like some people literally think it does nothing to prevent covid.

If he wasn’t a pro golfer I think it would make sense not to get it.  The main reason for him to get it is because of exactly what  happened - to lower your chances of testing positive and thus not being able to compete in an event.  

Also it looks a lot of the twitter comments are just making fun of how he said to “save it for someone else” as if there’s a shortage in the US.

Now that he caught it and probably didn't feel anything....he has the antibodies.  I'm sort ot jealous.   I believe I had early covid but I need some Delta antibodies.

Edit: looks like he experienced some symptoms but is already back playing in the tournament this week.

[TimHauck 2,923]

7 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Absurdity, dude.  There's been no work related requirement for him to get it. A healthy 27 year old getting vaxxed to be able to play golf is a moronic reason to get vaxxed, considering 18-29 year olds represent a statistically insignificant death rate . Fuking look at Rahm.  Worked for him, huh? 

And what ever happened to the "doing your part" BS you espouse?  But golf would be Bryson's primary reason to get vaxxed?  You've got Covid posting hangover.  You've made so many posts, with so many opinions, that I sincerely think you've forgotten what stances you have taken.

I’m not changing my stance.

Again, I didn’t say he “should” get it, just that the possibility of missing out on an important event gives him more reason to get it than your average person his age IMO.  But I’m sure he has enough money and doesn’t love America so doesn’t care about missing out on the Olympics, so maybe he doesn’t mind.

In general, I think 16-29 is where the risk/benefit analysis isn’t as easy.  I’ve said anyone 30 or older should get it.  16-29 is probably more about “doing your part,” but I understand why some people are really only thinking about themselves in deciding not to.

”Natural immunity” didn’t seem to work for Rahm either...

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It would have reduced his chances of doing so by about 70-90%

Liar. There is no data on that. The CDC only collects data on hospitalized cases.

[Fireballer 2,643]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

”Natural immunity” didn’t seem to work for Rahm either...

Rahm was post-2nd shot, but in 14 day window with first case. 2nd case he was fully vaxxed.  

[Fireballer 2,643]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Liar. There is no data on that. The CDC only collects data on hospitalized cases.

He's probably basing it on a study of doctors, nurses, etc that might have been exposed to Covid during work activities. They were probably also wearing proper PPE.  The study also determined that vaxxed people have 60% less viral load in their noses, which we now know isn't true.

[TimHauck 2,923]

27 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Rahm was post-2nd shot, but in 14 day window with first case. 2nd case he was fully vaxxed.  

I know.  So neither the vax or natural immunity worked.   You're not trying to claim the vax erased his natural immunity or something are you?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

19 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

He's probably basing it on a study of doctors, nurses, etc that might have been exposed to Covid during work activities. They were probably also wearing proper PPE.  The study also determined that vaxxed people have 60% less viral load in their noses, which we now know isn't true.

Yet another garbage in, garbage out situation.  The data that is NOT collected has been staggering in it's importance. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I know.  So neither the vax or natural immunity worked.   You're not trying to claim the vax erased his natural immunity or something are you?

Rahm had his  2 shots when he caught it the first time.  So no, he did not have natural immunity once the vaccine was introduced into his body.  Even the precious CDC differenties between natural immunity and artificial immunity. I'm struggling to find a medical definition of natural immunity that includes post vaccination.  There's no such thing as hybrid immunity. You could argue that his body's immune system is still fighting Covid, but by definition, he doesn't have natural immunity to Covid 19. 

[TimHauck 2,923]

41 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Rahm had his  2 shots when he caught it the first time.  So no, he did not have natural immunity once the vaccine was introduced into his body.  Even the precious CDC differenties between natural immunity and artificial immunity. I'm struggling to find a medical definition of natural immunity that includes post vaccination.  There's no such thing as hybrid immunity. You could argue that his body's immune system is still fighting Covid, but by definition, he doesn't have natural immunity to Covid 19. 

I honestly hadn't looked that much into the Rahm situation.  Sounds like for the Olympics he may have unfortunately been a victim of a false positive (tested negative Thursday, Friday and Sunday but positive Saturday).   And I've never said false positives don't happen, but they are rare.

[Fireballer 2,643]

 

[TimHauck 2,923]

3 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Liar. There is no data on that. The CDC only collects data on hospitalized cases.

Pfizer 90% (Moderna 92%) effective against Delta after 2 doses in Alberta, Canada - https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

Pfizer 88% effective against Delta after 2 doses in the UK - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.22.21257658v1

Pfizer 87% effective against Delta after 2 doses in Ontario, Canada - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259420v2

Pfizer 79% effective against Delta after 2 doses in Scotland - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,923]

22 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

Cases already coming back down, which at their highest point of July were 1/4 what they were in January.  Also 1 total death since March 13th.  Vaccines work!

And don't see that anything locked down other than "cancelling some large events."  

[TimHauck 2,923]

On 8/4/2021 at 6:46 AM, TimmySmith said:

We also might look at the death rate of fully vaccinated pre Delta and post Delta. Should be identical I would think.

Which if it were the case  would mean that Delta isn't less deadly.  So thanks for proving yourself wrong, liar.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Which if it were the case  would mean that Delta isn't less deadly.  So thanks for proving yourself wrong, liar.

I proved something to you based on no data.  Yep.  Like everyone else, liar.     

[TimHauck 2,923]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

I proved something to you based on no data.  Yep.  Like everyone else, liar.     

Not sure what you mean?  You're admitting that everyone else here besides me has no data?
 

[jerryskids 6,846]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Rahm was post-2nd shot, but in 14 day window with first case. 2nd case he was fully vaxxed.  

I know 4 people (husband/wife/their parents) who all got the Vid within 2 weeks of vaccination.  I'm beginning to wonder if something about the vaccine makes people particularly susceptible in that window.  I can't think of why that would be scientifically other than maybe your body's immune system is initially down "fighting" the vaccination (to generate immunity eventually) but it isn't there yet?  Anyway, it would be interesting if anyone is investigating this and correlating it to a particular vaccine.

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I honestly hadn't looked that much into the Rahm situation.  Sounds like for the Olympics he may have unfortunately been a victim of a false positive (tested negative Thursday, Friday and Sunday but positive Saturday).   And I've never said false positives don't happen, but they are rare.

Do you have data to support this?  In November the FDA issues a letter to health care providers about false positives; specifically for antigen tests but the following is a really good explanation of the general reason false positives happen:

Quote

• Remember that positive predictive value (PPV) varies with disease prevalence when interpreting results from diagnostic tests. PPV is the percent of positive test results that are true positives. As disease prevalence decreases, the percent of test results that are false positives increase.
  • For example, a test with 98% specificity would have a PPV of just over 80% in a population with 10% prevalence, meaning 20 out of 100 positive results would be false positives.
  • The same test would only have a PPV of approximately 30% in a population with 1% prevalence, meaning 70 out of 100 positive results would be false positives.  This means that, in a population with 1% prevalence, only 30% of individuals with positive test results actually have the disease.
  • At 0.1% prevalence, the PPV would only be 4%, meaning that 96 out of 100 positive results would be false positives.
  • Health care providers should take the local prevalence into consideration when interpreting diagnostic test results.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/letters-health-care-providers/potential-false-positive-results-antigen-tests-rapid-detection-sars-cov-2-letter-clinical-laboratory

[TimHauck 2,923]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I know 4 people (husband/wife/their parents) who all got the Vid within 2 weeks of vaccination.  I'm beginning to wonder if something about the vaccine makes people particularly susceptible in that window.  I can't think of why that would be scientifically other than maybe your body's immune system is initially down "fighting" the vaccination (to generate immunity eventually) but it isn't there yet?  Anyway, it would be interesting if anyone is investigating this and correlating it to a particular vaccine.

Do you have data to support this?  In November the FDA issues a letter to health care providers about false positives; specifically for antigen tests but the following is a really good explanation of the general reason false positives happen:

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/letters-health-care-providers/potential-false-positive-results-antigen-tests-rapid-detection-sars-cov-2-letter-clinical-laboratory

Were the 4 people you know after the first or second dose?  I know there have been some people claiming some of the case spikes were due to the first dose, without real data behind it of course.   Some countries do release data on partially vaccinated but don't think the US really does, and even the other countries not sure if there is much on like between 0-14 days after first dose.

That letter is basically saying the risk of false positives is due to contamination, not the tests themselves.   But I guess there are a lot of stupid people in this country, so sure I guess false positives may be slightly more than rare.

[Fireballer 2,643]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Cases already coming back down, which at their highest point of July were 1/4 what they were in January.  Also 1 total death since March 13th.  Vaccines work!

And don't see that anything locked down other than "cancelling some large events."  

I've never said they don't reduce severity.  I'm just wondering how Arkansas spike in cases, (with 36% vax) and Florida are all the talk. How have cases there increased v/s a 99% isolated country since June 1?

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I've never said they don't reduce severity.  I'm just wondering how Arkansas spike in cases, (with 36% vax) and Florida are all the talk. How have cases there increased v/s a 99% isolated country since June 1?

 

Watch out this week's "you just proved me right (yourself wrong)" maneuver.  Must be in the training manual. 

[naomi 356]

The prescient gym bro surfaces again.

 

[lod001 1,344]

Yeah that vax is working out great in Israel. I told everyone the crapola doesn't work.

 

[lod001 1,344]

You cannot say a vaccine works if you have to give shot after shot after shot and if you think a 3rd jab is gonna be the cure all, you are simply a retard. 

That's the definition of not working. Pfizer is a complete failure.

[jerryskids 6,846]

44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Were the 4 people you know after the first or second dose?  I know there have been some people claiming some of the case spikes were due to the first dose, without real data behind it of course.   Some countries do release data on partially vaccinated but don't think the US really does, and even the other countries not sure if there is much on like between 0-14 days after first dose.

That letter is basically saying the risk of false positives is due to contamination, not the tests themselves.   But I guess there are a lot of stupid people in this country, so sure I guess false positives may be slightly more than rare.

1. Not sure, it was my wife's boss and family.

2. No, it isn't.  Please read it again.  The part I quoted is independent of contamination errors; it is the result of the math around statistical factors like Bayes Theorem -- We are looking for the probability that you have Covid given a positive test, based on the probability that you get a positive test given you have Covid (captured by specificity, and NOT the same thing) and the odds that anybody in the population has Covid (prevalence).  That entire section talks about prevalence and specificity.  For instance, at 98% specificity and 10% prevalence, mathematically 20% of the results are false positives.  This is a general truism independent of Covid.  Contamination is an additional factor in false positives, so they provide guidance in reducing those as well.

The powers that be don't want people to figure this out; if we start questioning such things we'll potentially rebel.  IMO these false positives are a large factor in the recurrences of Covid, which is probably a good thing because that means people really aren't getting it a second time, as much as they think anyway.

[Fireballer 2,643]

4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

You cannot say a vaccine works if you have to give shot after shot after shot and if you think a 3rd jab is gonna be the cure all, you are simply a retard. 

That's the definition of not working. Pfizer is a complete failure.

I'd be way for accepting of the "science" if they showed a sliver of humility.  Joes gonna crush Covid!  All we need is a jab in all arms!  We need to mask everyone again!  We need a 3rd shot!  

[lod001 1,344]

Enjoy....unless of course you got jabbed. 

https://rairfoundation.com/mit-scientist-covid-vaccines-may-cause-diseases-in-10-to-15-years-exclusive-video/

 

[Gepetto 1,374]

On 8/1/2021 at 4:05 PM, Fireballer said:

Well, at least he said it out loud

 

He's so wrong.  They should get vaccinated.  He should blame unvaccinated not the vaccinated.  He's more of a clown every time he speaks. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Wasn't Trump gonna try to have fauci fired before he left office? 

fauci really needs to go away permanently. Maybe he and nasty pelosi can run away to Bermuda together and get "lost" in the triangle.

[TimHauck 2,923]

42 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I've never said they don't reduce severity.  I'm just wondering how Arkansas spike in cases, (with 36% vax) and Florida are all the talk. How have cases there increased v/s a 99% isolated country since June 1?

 

Looks like Gibraltar may be more like 90-95% in reality - they're apparently counting people that don't live there but got vaccinated there.  This article estimated them at 85% in April when ourworldindata had them at 106% - https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/gibraltar-covid-vaccination-safe.html (ourworldindata currently has them at 116%).

Regardless, still seems like covid is finding a bunch of those unvaccinated folks:

8/5: 21 vaccinated, 9 unvaccinated (70% vaccinated)

8/4: 14 vaccinated, 8 unvaccinated (64% vaccinated)

8/3: 17 vaccinated, 12 unvaccinated (59% vaccinated)

8/2: 13 vaccinated, 3 unvaccinated (81% vaccinated)

8/1: 6 vaccinated, 9 unvaccinated (40% vaccinated)

7/31: 9 vaccinated, 5 unvaccinated (64% vaccinated)

7/30: 14 vaccinated, 5 unvaccinated (74% vaccinated)

Total for last week: 94 vaccinated, 51 unvaccinated (65% vaccinated).  That's pretty good when 90%+ of the population is vaccinated!

 

Even if it's "only" 95% vaccinated

51 unvaccinated cases / 1700 unvaccinated people = 3.0%

94 vaccinated cases / 32300 vaccinated people = 0.3%

3% - 0.3% = 2.7%

2.7% / 3.0% = 90% effective