Coronavirus - Doomsday

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Stop putting words in people's mouths little know-it-all.  If you think Zinc, Vitamin K2 and NAC are unregulated, weird and illegal then you are a retard.

https://www.marconews.com/story/life/2021/05/17/ask-pharmacist-nac-supplements-going-away-soon/5082002001/

Who's the retard?

[edjr 6,593]

Just got this maddening email.

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Good Afternoon All,

 

The elevator lobbies and restrooms on the 25^th, 21^st, and 4^th floors are considered public areas and therefore fall under building mask mandate.

Please be certain to wear a mask when walking through the elevator lobbies and entering the restrooms on these floors.

We appreciate your cooperation with this request.

 

:eyeroll:

[lod001 1,344]

58 minutes ago, DonS said:

Which countries are bailing? 

Sweden, Norway, Finland. They all told the WHo, fauci and the rest of them to shove covid up their ass and die.

Romania quit with the useless jab juice months ago.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

I don't care who takes what. I laugh more about why others care so much about what people take. It's absurd to condemn people for their medical choices. 

I agree with you.  You have idiots telling everyone to get vaxed or they are pieces of crap, then you have the idiots that refuse to get vaxed but stock up on Alligator colon in case they get sick.

[edjr 6,593]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I agree with you.  You have idiots telling everyone to get vaxed or they are pieces of crap, then you have the idiots that refuse to get vaxed but stock up on Alligator colon in case they get sick.

politics has poisoned people's minds. We have far to many political sickos in this country.  

Imagine deciding everything you do based on doing the opposite of what the other side is doing  

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Just got this maddening email.

:eyeroll:

But go to the other floors to cvm on each other up the nose and share it with your friends. But not on those specific floors remember. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Sweden, Norway, Finland. They all told the WHo, fauci and the rest of them to shove covid up their ass and die.

Romania quit with the useless jab juice months ago.

Wrong.  All these countries continue to vaccinate people.  Stop spreading lies.

[lod001 1,344]

52 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Holy crap you people are dumb.

The vaccine is effective and preventing covid transmission and extremely effective at reducing hospitalization and death.

You don’t think the virus pretty much already did burn through many of the comorbidi and eldery?

You’re not one of those “viruses don’t exist” people are you?

That dead couple and the dead 39 year old fantasy football, among others would strongly disagree with this statement. They trusted the BS out of fauci's blow hole and paid the ultimate price instead of doing what is correct - early treatment. They are dead cause they listened to the wrong people.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, edjr said:

politics has poisoned people's minds. We have far to many political sickos in this country.  

Imagine deciding everything you do based on doing the opposite of what the other side is doing  

Yeah, all the idiot democats that told Trump they would never get his vaccine, then reversed course for Biden.  Same all the Trumpers that wanted the vaccine and now are noped out.  Truly idiots on both sides, it's amazing.

[lod001 1,344]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Wrong.  All these countries continue to vaccinate people.  Stop spreading lies.

If they want it jackass. There is a huge difference between mandating and what they are doing. 

Quit being a complete retard.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

That dead couple and the dead 39 year old fantasy football, among others would strongly disagree with this statement. They trusted the BS out of fauci's blow hole and paid the ultimate price instead of doing what is correct - early treatment. They are dead cause they listened to the wrong people.

Just because they are not 100% effective does not mean they are 0% effective.  

[Casual Observer 597]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

https://www.marconews.com/story/life/2021/05/17/ask-pharmacist-nac-supplements-going-away-soon/5082002001/

Who's the retard?

You are.  Oh wait, the gov't. banned an amino acid for over the counter sale.  That means it's really effective.  Can still get it with a prescription.  How about Zinc?  Exotic and illegal?

[edjr 6,593]

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

That dead couple and the dead 39 year old fantasy football, among others would strongly disagree with this statement. They trusted the BS out of fauci's blow hole and paid the ultimate price instead of doing what is correct - early treatment. They are dead cause they listened to the wrong people.

YOU ARE A BLITHERING IDIOT. please stop.

[Utilit99 4,099]

33 minutes ago, lod001 said:

That dead couple and the dead 39 year old fantasy football, among others would strongly disagree with this statement. They trusted the BS out of fauci's blow hole and paid the ultimate price instead of doing what is correct - early treatment. They are dead cause they listened to the wrong people.

But but but......ummm......

 

650 murdered in the city of Chicago so far this year. Not a peep. 

The criminal george floyd dies from an overdose with the suspicion that a cop helped? Destroy major cities across the country.  blm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'll never figure out liberal logic. It's too..............................wrong.

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, lod001 said:

If they want it jackass. There is a huge difference between mandating and what they are doing. 

Quit being a complete retard.

Quit posting complete bullsh!t.  Romania did not quit with the vaccine.  They are still giving it.  It's a fact, and you eat paint*

*also a fact

[BudBro 183]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

https://www.marconews.com/story/life/2021/05/17/ask-pharmacist-nac-supplements-going-away-soon/5082002001/

 

Just the timing of this one seems strange.  Been around since the 1960s, then declared a new drug in 1985.  FDA says they are banning it because it is a drug and not a dietary supplement.  It converts to glutathione, which is still available as a supplement.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, BudBro said:

Just the timing of this one seems strange.  Been around since the 1960s, then declared a new drug in 1985.  FDA says they are banning it because it is a drug and not a dietary supplement.  It converts to glutathione, which is still available as a supplement.

Oh right, must be a conspiracy to get everyone to take the vaccine and spread the 5g.

[Casual Observer 597]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Oh right, must be a conspiracy to get everyone to take the vaccine and spread the 5g.

You're a weird little troll, Pedo Defender IV.  Always referring to things nobody has said in a failed attempt to make some non-existent point.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

10 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

You're a weird little troll, Pedo Defender IV.  Always referring to things nobody has said in a failed attempt to make some non-existent point.

Not talking to you retard, go away

[BudBro 183]

39 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Oh right, must be a conspiracy to get everyone to take the vaccine and spread the 5g.

Sure.  But you need to get better at knowing the conspiracy theory.  NCA converts to glutathione, which removes graphene oxide from the liver and tissues.  Graphene oxide is in the vaccines.  The 5g is supposed to have some sort of activating mechanism to the graphene oxide.  So, NCA is being banned because it renders the real reason for the vaccine as useless to Klaus Schwab and the rest of the aging New World Order to render humanity subject to their rule.  Sheesh, get with it!

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Anyone who takes un regulated, weird and sometimes illegal supplements to protect themselves against covid is a scared little gay person.

Stop being scared of covid already.

I'm trying to understand your position here:  if you get vaxxed, you can lick snotbubbles off of a Covid ventilator, doesn't matter because you are vaxxed and won't be harmed by Covid.  Thus if you take supplements which may reduce an adverse outcome from Covid, even if you are vaxxed, you suck cack in fear.  This last part is important because you don't make a distinction between vaxxed and unvaxxed.  Did I capture that correctly?

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I dunno, I'm putting this in this thread as well.  But its partly consequences of Newsom staying in office.  

 

 

Los Angeles City Council has enough support to pass this law but looks like they want to wait until next week.  This is to stupid, but people voted for Newsom.  This article is filled with SO many quotes that could fill an epic dystopian dictatorship novel.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/l-council-puts-off-vote-204656447.html

 

Many members of the Los Angeles City Council voiced support Wednesday for a sweeping proposal that would require people to show proof of vaccination against COVID-19 to go inside restaurants, shopping centers, movie theaters, hair and nail salons, and a range of other indoor venues in Los Angeles.

But after more than an hour of discussion, the council did not vote on the proposed ordinance after Councilman Joe Buscaino, a candidate for mayor, raised concerns about the measure and said he would withhold his vote.

"Unenforceable laws are ridiculous," Buscaino said.

The measure will be voted on next week, city officials said. The proposed law could be passed that day with a majority vote. Council members had expected that the final decision might happen next week anyway: If the council had voted Wednesday on the proposal and the decision wasn't unanimous, the measure would have required another vote next week.

Buscaino campaign advisor Michael Trujillo said the move doesn't change the timeline for when the rules could go into effect but "gives council members a chance to get more educated on it." [  Get more educated on it?  With what?  A baseball bat?  A sock full of sand?  ]

"He had more questions about this than the Riddler," Trujillo said.

Council President Nury Martinez said the measure will be approved.

"This council was ready to lead and one member was not," Martinez said after the meeting. "This is about saving lives, and political stunts like this are now putting Angelenos at risk."

Under the proposed ordinance, customers entering certain indoor businesses in L.A. would have to offer proof of vaccination beginning on Nov. 4. Martinez argued the rules are needed to protect children too young to be eligible for the shots, as well as people who were vulnerable because of other medical conditions.

Ahead of the meeting, Martinez told reporters that "it is unfair to continue to put everyone else's lives on pause because some won't listen to science, data and the facts."

The new law would cover an assortment of businesses with indoor facilities, including coffee shops, gyms, museums, bowling alleys and spas. Under the proposed rules, customers can offer written exemptions to the rules for stated religious or medical reasons, but businesses must require them to use outdoor facilities if they are available.

If there is no outdoor option at the venue, exempt customers must provide proof that they have recently tested negative for the coronavirus in order to come inside. Customers who don’t provide proof of vaccination or exemption would still be able to enter a business briefly to use a restroom or pick up a takeout order.

L.A. would also require vaccination proof to enter indoor city facilities as of Nov. 4, although unvaccinated people would be provided "alternative arrangements for access to government services," determined on a case-by-case basis, according to the ordinance. That could include online or outdoor services or providing a negative test to enter an indoor facility.

During Wednesday's meeting, Buscaino raised concerns about the possible effects on businesses. He said he backed the goal of getting more people vaccinated but argued that workers would end up being "the main enforcers of this ordinance."

"Making a teenager ... serve as a bouncer to keep people in or out of a restaurant and then fining the business for their failure is not the way to go about it," Buscaino said.

Others on the council said the city needed to press forward with the law in light of the ongoing pandemic, even as they voiced some concerns. Councilman Bob Blumenfield said there might be issues to work out around how the rules would play out at shopping malls, for instance, but the council had time to pass "cleanup language" to address them.

"The crisis is too real to do anything that is going to slow this down," Blumenfield said.

Councilman Gil Cedillo argued that "we can't let perfection be the enemy of the good — or perfection be the enemy of the necessary" during that crisis. And Councilman Paul Krekorian said the ordinance did not mandate that anyone get vaccinated, but simply limited their ability to put others at risk.

"You have rights. You have liberties. But with those rights and liberties come obligations to protect fellow members of your society as well,"   [ THAT quote must be from the 1984 novel, right?  ] Krekorian said before urging the council to pass the new law.

Business groups, including the Los Angeles County Business Federation and the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce, said they were concerned that the city rules could create confusion and potential challenges for businesses because L.A. County had issued its own, more limited order that is set to be implemented starting early next month.

Some said they were concerned that L.A. businesses could wind up losing patrons to neighboring areas with lesser restrictions. "Having a local approach as opposed to a uniform countywide approach means that the businesses that are near the edges may lose business to other areas," said Stuart Waldman, president of the Valley Industry and Commerce Assn. "It’s easy to go from San Pedro over to Palos Verdes."

And some opponents argued that the rules were divisive and unnecessary and would infringe on their rights. Members of the Libertarian Party pledged to pursue a referendum to overturn the new rules.

"You have NO right to dictate how a person lives their life, what they put in their body or who a business decides to let inside their building. Period," one opponent wrote to the council. "Why don't you put your energy into cleaning up the city and stop trying to tell us where we can and can't go or who is allowed in our businesses."

Others spoke up in favor of the plan, arguing it was rooted in clear science and would help the city get back to normal. One caller who said he had recently visited New York City, which has imposed such requirements, said simply that "it worked."

Nearly 68% of L.A. County residents are already at least partially vaccinated for COVID-19 and more than 60% have completed their inoculation series, according to data compiled by The Times.

A survey conducted from Aug. 20 to 29 by the Public Policy Institute of California found that 67% of L.A. County residents, and 61% of California residents, favored requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination to enter certain indoor spaces and large outdoor gatherings.

Regionally, majorities in Orange and San Diego counties, the San Francisco Bay Area and the Central Valley also backed vaccination-verification requirements to enter those public spaces. A majority of survey respondents from the Inland Empire opposed them.

The L.A. city rules would cover people who are eligible for COVID-19 vaccinations, including shots covered under an emergency use authorization from the U.S. Food & Drug Administration.

Businesses that defy the rules would face escalating penalties under the proposed law, starting with a warning notice for a first violation, then a $1,000 fine for a second violation, eventually reaching a $5,000 penalty for a fourth or subsequent violation. The fines would begin to be enforced starting Nov. 29.

Martinez said the city had not included grocery stories, pharmacies and several other kinds of businesses under the proposed requirements because they were providing "essential services."

"We can't limit people from buying their groceries or going to a doctor's office or getting gas or fueling their vehicle, and so we want to be very careful and sensitive to that," Martinez told reporters.

The L.A. ordinance would expire when the city lifts its emergency declaration for the COVID-19 pandemic.

The city is pursuing its own requirements after Los Angeles County rolled out a health order that will require patrons and workers at indoor bars, wineries, breweries, nightclubs and lounges to be at least partially vaccinated by Oct. 7 and fully vaccinated by Nov. 4. The county order recommends — but does not require — vaccine proof inside restaurants.

The L.A. city law would also mandate proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test to enter outdoor events with 5,000 or more attendees; L.A. County is requiring such proof at outdoor events with 10,000 or more people starting Oct. 7.

The county order already applies in L.A. city limits, but California cities can expand on county orders for vaccine requirements. West Hollywood has also imposed its own rules expanding on the county order.

Other California cities beyond L.A. County have also set forth established their own vaccination requirements. The L.A. rule would cover more businesses than in San Francisco or Berkeley, whose orders don’t apply to malls, salons or museums, but is more permissive than their rules in allowing people to offer up a negative test as a substitute for vaccination. Beyond California, New York City has mandated vaccination proof at restaurants, bars, movie theaters and other indoor sites.

Times staff writer Rong-Gong Lin II contributed to this report.

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

YOU ARE A BLITHERING IDIOT. please stop.

Says sh1t for brains.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Quit posting complete bullsh!t.  Romania did not quit with the vaccine.  They are still giving it.  It's a fact, and you eat paint*

*also a fact

Here ya go moron.

https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/romania-shuts-down-government-vaccine-centers/

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Ron Paul's youtube account got terminated over covid issues.  Apparently maybe reinstated later.  Not sure.

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

Amazingly, this is a ray of sanity in all of this.  I was looking up ticket options for an upcoming performance at the Phoenix Theatre Company and noticed they had two types of shows:

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October 20, 2021 7:30PM,Camelot,Purchase

October 21, 2021 7:30PM,Camelot,Purchase

October 22, 2021 7:30PM,Camelot,Purchase

October 23, 2021 2:00PM,Camelot - Mask/Vax Required,Purchase

October 23, 2021 7:30PM,Camelot - Mask/Vax Required,Purchase

October 24, 2021 2:00PM,Camelot,Purchase

Both had the following (reasonable IMO) rules:

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By purchasing a ticket, all patrons agree to the following:

• Upon arrival all patrons must submit to a mandatory temperature check. Patrons with a temperature of 100.4 or higher will not be permitted to enter the space. Their tickets will be refunded in full and all options to view the performance will be explained. 
• If any member of a party is feeling sick we require that person to stay home—their ticket can be exchanged or fully refunded. Symptoms of COVID-19 infection include headache, loss of taste or smell, sore throat, diarrhea, congestion or running nose, and/or a temperature of 100.4 or higher. 
• We have made changes to our refund policy in order to support you better. Please let us know if signs of illness or other health issues prevent you from attending your performance. 

But the mask/vax required shows also had this:

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Camelot - Mask/Vax Required

During this performance, masks and vaccines will be required for all patrons and staff in our lobbies and theatres unless actively eating/drinking. No food or beverages will be allowed in the theatre. Patrons will still undergo the standard temp check at the door but also must show proof of vaccination at their time of entry into the theatre with their valid ticket. “Fully vaccinated” means the performance date must be at least 14 days after the second dose of a two-dose COVID-19 vaccine, or at least 14 days after a single-dose COVID-19 vaccine.

Exceptions are being made for children under 12 and people with a medical condition or closely held religious belief that prevents vaccination. These guests must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken within 72 hours of the performance start time, or a negative COVID-19 antigen test taken within 6 hours of the performance start time.

So if you want the extra protection of everyone being vaxxed and wearing masks, you can get it.  If you don't care or don't want it, you don't have to.  And in either case if you show up with a fever or otherwise feeling sick, we punch you in the face in front of your party because you are a focking idiot.

Seems to me that this approach pretty much solves our problems.  Am I missing something?   

https://tickets.phoenixtheatre.com/overview/12815

[Cdub100 3,909]

95% of people in Australian hospital with covid have been vaccinated. They still plane the unvaxxed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TFtlK6fuVno

[TimHauck 2,877]

2 hours ago, lod001 said:

Sweden, Norway, Finland. They all told the WHo, fauci and the rest of them to shove covid up their ass and die.

Romania quit with the useless jab juice months ago.

% of total population fully vaccinated:

Norway: 66%

Sweden: 65%

Finland: 62%

US: 55%

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

[TimHauck 2,877]

2 hours ago, BudBro said:

Covid could have burned through far more people than it did.  I do think the virus (or whatever it is) is a large problem.  And I do agree the "vaccine" was shown effective for those of certain  ages and co-morbidities, at least in the early months of it.  Of those 20,000 +/- counted by the cdc thus far, however, 23% of those hospitalized for covid after being vaccined have died.  Of that 23%, 86% of those still fall in the >65 age category. 

Link for the 23% of hospitalized that were vaccinated?   I think that may have been from a specific city or something.

And even if that's a real number, that still shows the vaccines are effective since over 55% of the total population is vaccinated and even more of the at-risk population is.   The main thing that seems to "wane" is the effectiveness against infection.   Effectiveness against hospitalization and death remains strong months out, maybe slightly less so in really old people.

 

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Just because they are not 100% effective does not mean they are 0% effective.  

This.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'm trying to understand your position here:  if you get vaxxed, you can lick snotbubbles off of a Covid ventilator, doesn't matter because you are vaxxed and won't be harmed by Covid.  Thus if you take supplements which may reduce an adverse outcome from Covid, even if you are vaxxed, you suck cack in fear.  This last part is important because you don't make a distinction between vaxxed and unvaxxed.  Did I capture that correctly?

 

It's pretty stupid to lick snot bubbles off a ventilator, vaxed or unvaxed.

Same for taking ridiculous snake oil supplements, it makes you a scared gay retard

[BeenHereBefore 1,525]

Haha MSM  still calling all the Celebs that catch Covid after being vaccinated break through cases. Like they are rare.

[TimHauck 2,877]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'm trying to understand your position here:  if you get vaxxed, you can lick snotbubbles off of a Covid ventilator, doesn't matter because you are vaxxed and won't be harmed by Covid.  Thus if you take supplements which may reduce an adverse outcome from Covid, even if you are vaxxed, you suck cack in fear.  This last part is important because you don't make a distinction between vaxxed and unvaxxed.  Did I capture that correctly?

 

Yeah he kinda lost me there; I don’t see a problem with “anyone” taking supplements  that they think may help against covid, and honestly maybe it should be encouraged instead of just telling people “come to the hospital when you can’t breathe anymore.” But I do find it ironic that it seems like many of the people minimizing covid as a whole or saying they don’t need the vaccine are taking a bunch of supplements to hopefully reduce their covid symptoms if they get it.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, lod001 said:

Here ya go moron.

https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/romania-shuts-down-government-vaccine-centers/

They didn't stop vaccinations. They closed some of the centers.  So did the US.

You are dumb and you spread lies.  Stop posting.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 But I do find it ironic that it seems like many of the people minimizing covid as a whole or saying they don’t need the vaccine are taking a bunch of supplements to hopefully reduce their covid symptoms if they get it.

Exactly

[Cdub100 3,909]

34 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah he kinda lost me there; I don’t see a problem with “anyone” taking supplements  that they think may help against covid, and honestly maybe it should be encouraged instead of just telling people “come to the hospital when you can’t breathe anymore.” But I do find it ironic that it seems like many of the people minimizing covid as a whole or saying they don’t need the vaccine are taking a bunch of supplements to hopefully reduce their covid symptoms if they get it.

You know people have been taking supplements to help have a healthy life for focking ever? This isn't something new because of cvoid. Nobody wants to get sick. Not with covid or the flu or a cold. 

Nobody here is saying kill a rat and draw a circle on your door while drinking this potion you got from the guy with the long nose.

You guys pretending like vitamins are some new random snake oil shows more about your programing than you realize.

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

It's pretty stupid to lick snot bubbles off a ventilator, vaxed or unvaxed.

Same for taking ridiculous snake oil supplements, it makes you a scared gay retard

Seems humor isn't your strong suit; I reworded it to state what I thought was obvious:

I'm trying to understand your position here:  if you get vaxxed, your behavior doesn't matter because you are vaxxed and won't be harmed by Covid.  Thus if you take supplements which may reduce an adverse outcome from Covid, even if you are vaxxed, you suck cack in fear.  This last part is important because you don't make a distinction between vaxxed and unvaxxed.  Did I capture that correctly?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Botcuck is a frigging idiot.  People shouldn't take care of themselves during a pandemic and just rely on the government jab. Pathetic. And aligned himself with a other troll.

[TimHauck 2,877]

33 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You know people have been taking supplements to help have a healthy life for focking ever? This isn't something new because of cvoid. Nobody wants to get sick. Not with covid or the flu or a cold. 

Nobody here is saying kill a rat and draw a circle on your door while drinking this potion you got from the guy with the long nose.

You guys pretending like vitamins are some new random snake oil shows more about your programing than you realize.

I have no issue with supplements in general like I said, but unless you have been taking all these supplements “for focking ever” then clearly you must realize there’s something different about covid compared to a normal cold or flu. 

Ivermectin is probably the main one that could potentially be “snake oil” and is not “just a vitamin” and probably won’t help with your overall immune health except against head lice or parasites.  But again, even that I don’t have a problem with specifically and am holding out hope it actually helps, my issue is just with the people that push it while at the same time saying the vaccine doesn’t work.  While Ivermectin itself may not be snake oil, there are definitely some snake oil salesmen pushing it, such as the people charging $90 a pop to write a prescription for it.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

28 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Seems humor isn't your strong suit; I reworded it to state what I thought was obvious:

I'm trying to understand your position here:  if you get vaxxed, your behavior doesn't matter because you are vaxxed and won't be harmed by Covid.  Thus if you take supplements which may reduce an adverse outcome from Covid, even if you are vaxxed, you suck cack in fear.  This last part is important because you don't make a distinction between vaxxed and unvaxxed.  Did I capture that correctly?

Reading is not your strong suit.

I never said that if you get vaxed then your behavior doesn't matter.  I don't believe that at all.

I'm just laughing at the people that downplayed covid and are scared of the vaccine but they will put all kinds of weird crap in their bodies in case they get covid.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Yeah I doubt these idiots are all into holistic medicine.  They are brainwashed by snake oil the6 see on their alt right webpages