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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Umm... the last couple months?  :unsure:

I'm intrigued with how this whole school thing plays out, on all levels.  If some schools are shut down for the semester, do you graduate them to the next level?  I could just imagine the backlash from parents because their little Johnny shouldn't be penalized because of the coronavirus...  Humanities could just be a void in knowledge, but subjects like STEM and languages tend to build on each other.  Didn't finish algebra?  No problem, here is calculus, who needs prereqs?  :dunno:

Super duper daylight savings. Set the clocks back one year. 

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6 minutes ago, frank said:

Super duper daylight savings. Set the clocks back one year. 

You time warpers would do that!  :lol:

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6 hours ago, NorthernVike said:

They're handling out computers this week here.  Providing internet to those that don't  have it.  Should be online schooling next week.  It'd be dumb to end the year across the state because some schools can't figure it out.  But you never know with the dumbfuck governor we have in Minnesota. 

THIS. Our school district in WA did this very thing when they decided to close their schools on their own. Gave out chromeboooks and wifi hotspots for any student that needed it.  Our teachers, including my wife who is a PT for special needs kids, were doing online schooling via Zoom. 

Things were going OK until Inslee shut down schools in the 3 counties around Seattle.  Since the more "diverse" Seattle city schools couldn't provide the same type of teaching we had to stop what was working in our district, because it isn't "equitable". Silly of us parents to approve and pay levies in our district to ensure we had good technology for our kids.

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23 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

She is doing well but she's worked hard to get where she is and has come close to losing her job in the past there because of the lack of enrollment.  The extras she does helps with the higher pay.  She still puts in far more hours than I do certain times of the year but I make a little more.

I know a couple people who live in NJ.  One of them is a teacher.  I sent her a message to see what she makes.  I know she has a small home and it's ridiculously expensive.  My house would sell for over a million easily there but would only sell for around $250,000-$300,000 here.

My friend from NJ responded.  She makes 71k in her 18th year with her masters.

... and I bet she's driving around in a $50k car too.  Teachers' parking lots around here are full of cars worth $50k+.  Yeah, they're sooo underpaid. :blink:

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

... and I bet she's driving around in a $50k car too.  Teachers' parking lots around here are full of cars worth $50k+.  Yeah, they're sooo underpaid. :blink:

I seriously doubt that.  I don't think she lives a very extravagant life.  She makes more than her husband because he has a crappy job.  I think they live like most middle class people because of how high the cost of living is there. 

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I seriously doubt that.  I don't think she lives a very extravagant life.  She makes more than her husband because he has a crappy job.  I think they live like most middle class people because of how high the cost of living is there. 

So she can afford a "ridiculously expensive" home, but doesn't have an expensive car or lead an "extravagant life"?  Sorry, but 2+2 isn't equaling 4 here.

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Also, I would add... I've known tons of teachers who've said that getting a Master's degree means nothing when it comes to teaching... which makes sense.  The only reason to get a Masters is if you're planning on moving up to Administration.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So she can afford a "ridiculously expensive" home, but doesn't have an expensive car or lead an "extravagant life"?  Sorry, but 2+2 isn't equaling 4 here.

It's ridiculously expensive in my opinion because it's not a very big home and would probably only be worth $150,000 here.  Housing is very expensive there.  Not sure what you're not getting here.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Also, I would add... I've known tons of teachers who've said that getting a Master's degree means nothing when it comes to teaching... which makes sense.  The only reason to get a Masters is if you're planning on moving up to Administration.

It means a pay increase for almost ever teacher I know.  It's kind of a big deal for most teachers and that's why they get it.  Who the hell are these teachers you know?

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18 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Umm... the last couple months?  :unsure:

I'm intrigued with how this whole school thing plays out, on all levels.  If some schools are shut down for the semester, do you graduate them to the next level?  I could just imagine the backlash from parents because their little Johnny shouldn't be penalized because of the coronavirus...  Humanities could just be a void in knowledge, but subjects like STEM and languages tend to build on each other.  Didn't finish algebra?  No problem, here is calculus, who needs prereqs?  :dunno:

I saw a recommendation that we send them back during the summer.  Have them go June - August.  Give them a few weeks off before fall semester starts.

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

I saw a recommendation that we send them back during the summer.  Have them go June - August.  Give them a few weeks off before fall semester starts.

Not a fan of that.  What's so bad with just letting this all play out then have them back in school as normal next year?

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Not a fan of that.  What's so bad with just letting this all play out then have them back in school as normal next year?

Are any teachers in the USA concerned missing 1/2 a school year will impact students’ overall academic level?

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not a fan of that.  What's so bad with just letting this all play out then have them back in school as normal next year?

In what grade?  The grade they are in this year or the grade they have advanced to if they completed their studies and passed this year?

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20 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Also, I would add... I've known tons of teachers who've said that getting a Master's degree means nothing when it comes to teaching... which makes sense.  The only reason to get a Masters is if you're planning on moving up to Administration.

The reason most get a Masters is to get a raise.  Who are you kidding?

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4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Are any teachers in the USA concerned missing 1/2 a school year will impact students’ overall academic level?

I can see it being a concern for some schools, especially those with trimesters. It’s more of a third of the school year and not half. 

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I can see it being a concern for some schools, especially those with trimesters. It’s more of a third of the school year and not half. 

So when is it ok to abort school?  Only during the first trimester?  Or are you good with third trimester abortions?

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I can see it being a concern for some schools, especially those with trimesters. It’s more of a third of the school year and not half. 

It’s a concern of mine.
 

 I already know what’s going to happen.  No school for the rest of the year without being made up.   Spend the first few weeks next year getting adjusted then try to go like hell to catch up.  Many will get behind.

What is wrong with slowing down and being open to actually helping the student....the real ones being hurt?  

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

In what grade?  The grade they are in this year or the grade they have advanced to if they completed their studies and passed this year?

Move on to the next grade. Schools that go by a first and second semester may enough to go off of for final grades. 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

So when is it ok to abort school?  Only during the first trimester?  Or are you good with third trimester abortions?

Good one

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1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

It’s a concern of mine.
 

 I already know what’s going to happen.  No school for the rest of the year without being made up.   Spend the first few weeks next year getting adjusted then try to go like hell to catch up.  Many will get behind.

What is wrong with slowing down and being open to actually helping the student....the real ones being hurt?  

I don’t think it’s wrong to do it that way. I don’t think it’s needed though. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Move on to the next grade. Schools that go by a first and second semester may enough to go off of for final grades. 

You think missing almost an entire semester prepares you for the next grade?  What about the 4 months of learning that is missed?  As I believe Jerry said, do you really think someone who missed the last 4 months of a math class is going to be prepared for the next level of Math? 

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Just now, Strike said:

You think missing almost an entire semester prepares you for the next grade?  What about the 4 months of learning that is missed?  As I believe Jerry said, do you really think someone who missed the last 4 months of a math class is going to be prepared for the next level of Math? 

I know it varies by each district but our schools are only missing a little less than 3 months of school. They’re done by Memorial Day weekend. 

Most students are working on their studies while being out of school. Many schools are doing classes online. 

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21 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Are any teachers in the USA concerned missing 1/2 a school year will impact students’ overall academic level?

It is definitely going to hurt and set the kids back...  Next year will be a lot of re-learning on stuff...

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5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I know it varies by each district but our schools are only missing a little less than 3 months of school. They’re done by Memorial Day weekend. 

Most students are working on their studies while being out of school. Many schools are doing classes online. 

3 months, 4 months, either way it's at least 1/3  of  a year of school.  So, your answer to someone like me, who was heading in to Calculus in 12th grade, is that I should learn Trig by myself?  I have to ask......Why am I going to school to begin with?  I can just teach myself everything.  I think you've solved ALL of our school problems!!!!  You're a focking genius!!  Are you in Mensa?  Ever play baseball? 

BTW, please show your work that "Most" students are working on their studies.  I don't believe you.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

3 months, 4 months, either way it's at least 1/3  of  a year of school.  So, your answer to someone like me, who was heading in to Calculus in 12th grade, is that I should learn Trig by myself?  I have to ask......Why am I going to school to begin with?  I can just teach myself everything.  I think you've solved ALL of our school problems!!!!  You're a focking genius!!  Are you in Mensa?  Ever play baseball? 

Would you focking relax?  I never said it would be ideal but it can and has been done. 

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Would you focking relax?  I never said it would be ideal but it can and has been done. 

So your answer is you have no answer.  And you haven't said why my idea is bad.  Just that you don't like it. 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

So your answer is you have no answer.  And you haven't said why my idea is bad.  Just that you don't like it. 

To be honest, I’m really not that concerned out it compared to everything else that’s going on in the world. Our schools are working on it. Teachers are already working with students to finish lessons from this year.

I don’t really like going the idea of going through summer then right into the new year. I’m sure it would work out though. I never said it was a bad idea either, just that I did not care for it personally. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 Teachers are already working with students to finish lessons from this year.

 

I've already asked you once to support this assertion.  I'm asking again. 

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57 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It means a pay increase for almost ever teacher I know.  It's kind of a big deal for most teachers and that's why they get it.  Who the hell are these teachers you know?

Maybe it matters in Iowa.  Doesn't matter here in NJ.

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've already asked you once to support this assertion.  I'm asking again. 

Are you not aware of what teachers are doing?  Sending their students homework and projects. Doing online lessons using Zoom. Younger kids are using ABC Mouse. They are calling students to stay in touch with them. 

My wife teaches a tech class and they were in the middle of doing 3D printer projects. She brought the printer home so she can print out all the designs they made and is mailing them back to the students. 

There are all kinds of ways to get creative in educating students while they’re out. 

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11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Maybe it matters in Iowa.  Doesn't matter here in NJ.

I’ll have to ask my NJ friend why she got her masters then and if it led to more pay. 

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36 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Most students are working on their studies while being out of school. Many schools are doing classes online. 

It’s not the same as being in class, taking quizzes, tests, etc. 

And not all teachers are contributing as much as others right now.  
 

My 5th grader breezes through his daily assignments in less than an hour.   He’s had one quiz so far.  
 

My 6th grader has a teacher who gives out quite a bit of work each day via email.   2-3 hours of work and several online quizzes.  

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11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I’ll have to ask my NJ friend why she got her masters then and if it led to more pay. 

Most of the people I know are elementary teachers.  They said it got them an extra $1k... but it cost them $12k to get the degree.  So, in 12 years, I guess it'll pay off.  Their comments are based on that it's not worth it to go back.  If you have to begin with, then great, but it's still going to take you over a decade to make it worth it's wild.  That's the stand point the teachers I know are coming from.

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18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are you not aware of what teachers are doing?  Sending their students homework and projects. Doing online lessons using Zoom. Younger kids are using ABC Mouse. They are calling students to stay in touch with them. 

My wife teaches a tech class and they were in the middle of doing 3D printer projects. She brought the printer home so she can print out all the designs they made and is mailing them back to the students. 

There are all kinds of ways to get creative in educating students while they’re out. 

My nephew who's in 6th grade goes on this web portal thing the school has.  The teachers post things for the kids to do, then email what they did.  There's zero direct student-teacher interaction.  It's apparently an issue handled by each school district on their own.

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9 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

It’s not the same as being in class, taking quizzes, tests, etc. 

And not all teachers are contributing as much as others right now.  
 

My 5th grader breezes through his daily assignments in less than an hour.   He’s had one quiz so far.  
 

My 6th grader has a teacher who gives out quite a bit of work each day via email.   2-3 hours of work and several online quizzes.  

I didn’t say it would but it’s better than nothing during these times.

True. 

Your 5th grader sounds intelligent. He will most likely be just fine. 

 

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Most of the people I know are elementary teachers.  They said it got them an extra $1k... but it cost them $12k to get the degree.  So, in 12 years, I guess it'll pay off.  Their comments are based on that it's not worth it to go back.  If you have to begin with, then great, but it's still going to take you over a decade to make it worth it's wild.  That's the stand point the teachers I know are coming from.

Definitely much smarter to get their masters right away. There are certain things that require a masters I believe. 

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6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Your 5th grader sounds intelligent. He will most likely be just fine. 

 

He’s a smart kid but he has awful study habits and rushes through school work so he can go have fun.  
 

He won’t be fine IMO.    Far from it. 
He always starts off the school year slowly and it takes him til the end of the 2nd trimester to get up to speed.   This year was no different.   B’s and C’s first trimester, then made the Principal’s list in the 2nd, which they literally just finished.  
 

No way in hell he’s ready to make the jump to middle school if he misses a third of the school year.  

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Definitely much smarter to get their masters right away. There are certain things that require a masters I believe. 

Oh, absolutely.  If you're still in school, you certainly should get the degree, because you'd assume that the you'll be working for 30 years +/- and it's better in the long run.  I'm older, turning the big 4 - 0 this year, so a lot of my friends are in their 40's and 50's and at the time they were in school, a Master's wasn't even thought of as worth while unless you planned on being an administrator.  So now, they'll be retiring in like 10 to 15 years... why go back and get the degree when it's not worth it.  From what I here, the average raise for high school is about $5k ($3k for middle school), for a Masters, but again, is it worth and hassle to go back and get one (if you never got one before)?  Most of my friends say "No", because they don't want to deal with the school process, pay the money, get only a small bump, then retire in 10 years.  From a mathematical stand point, they can make more money by investing that $12k in something else and the yield will be more than the pay bump.

As you said, some things may require a masters, and that's fine.  In general though, most teachers don't need them.  I think it's usually the specialists, I think, that need masters degrees.

A little anecdote.  In my old high school, a girl who graduated 3 years ahead of my draft class became the principal of our old high school about 5 years ago.  I saw her about a year ago, and in passing stated that she'd just gotten her Phd.  A city council member told me that it cost her $37k to get that Phd.  That got her a $3k raise.  She's going to have to work 13 more years to recoup that money... she'll be 56 when that degree pays for itself.  She said she plans on retiring between 55 and 60.

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41 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are you not aware of what teachers are doing?  Sending their students homework and projects. Doing online lessons using Zoom. Younger kids are using ABC Mouse. They are calling students to stay in touch with them. 

My wife teaches a tech class and they were in the middle of doing 3D printer projects. She brought the printer home so she can print out all the designs they made and is mailing them back to the students. 

There are all kinds of ways to get creative in educating students while they’re out. 

So you can point me to a directive on what ALL teachers are supposed to be doing, how it is being graded and appropriate credit being given, etc.....I'm glad your wife teaches arts and crafts.  We're talking about real subjects here like Math and Science.  What you've described is unorganized and piece meal at best.  It's certainly not up to the standards we strive for in our education system. 

BTW, what you've described your wife doing is not new learning.  It's the equivalent of grading papers and sending them back.  Is she continuing to teach her tech class via Zoom? 

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24 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn’t say it would but it’s better than nothing during these times.

 

You know what else is better than nothing?  Actually completing the work once this settles down.

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