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I thought it was a good debate. As with 99% of debates, it won't move the needle. There was nothing anyone will remember in a week. That's because you had two intelligent people up there, respectfully debating. Harris predictably destroyed him on his handling of the coronavirus. But he hammered her pretty good on the way they're flip-flopping on that Green New Deal.

Both of them dodged some issues they didn't want to discuss. Harris refused to give an answer about packing the courts. Pence refused to give an answer about whether Trump would honor the election results. Harris wouldn't explain the contradiction between saying taxes won't be raised at all for anyone under $400,000 but would eliminate Trump's tax cuts from day one. Pence wouldn't explain the contradiction between saying people with pre-existing conditions would keep their health care but they're currently in court trying to take away their health care.

As predicted, Biden supporters are saying Harris won and Trump supporters are saying Pence won. I would imagine that for independents, there was no big impression made either way. More importantly, neither did anything to screw things up. I enjoyed watching the debate. Unlike that show 2 weeks ago. With Biden having a double digit lead nationally, the fact that it won't move the needle is a good thing for Harris and Biden. At this point, they just have to avoid making big mistakes. 

More importantly, it was nice to turn it off and go to be not being embarrassed to be an american like I did two weeks ago. 

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6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I thought it was a good debate. As with 99% of debates, it won't move the needle. There was nothing anyone will remember in a week. That's because you had two intelligent people up there, respectfully debating. Harris predictably destroyed him on his handling of the coronavirus. But he hammered her pretty good on the way they're flip-flopping on that Green New Deal.

Both of them dodged some issues they didn't want to discuss. Harris refused to give an answer about packing the courts. Pence refused to give an answer about whether Trump would honor the election results. Harris wouldn't explain the contradiction between saying taxes won't be raised at all for anyone under $400,000 but would eliminate Trump's tax cuts from day one. Pence wouldn't explain the contradiction between saying people with pre-existing conditions would keep their health care but they're currently in court trying to take away their health care.

As predicted, Biden supporters are saying Harris won and Trump supporters are saying Pence won. I would imagine that for independents, there was no big impression made either way. More importantly, neither did anything to screw things up. I enjoyed watching the debate. Unlike that show 2 weeks ago. With Biden having a double digit lead nationally, the fact that it won't move the needle is a good thing for Harris and Biden. At this point, they just have to avoid making big mistakes. 

More importantly, it was nice to turn it off and go to be not being embarrassed to be an american like I did two weeks ago. 

Not a terrible take.  The notion Kamala, at this stage in her career, could be a stones throw from the presidency is what is concerning.

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3 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Not a terrible take.  The notion Kamala, at this stage in her career, could be a stones throw from the presidency is what is concerning.

Much greater chance of Biden still being with us in 2024 than Trump.  Look at their health.  Biden is still running up steps and doing pushups.  Trump is the only one out of 23 infected white house staffers to get sick enough to need hospitalization.  Plus, we still don't know why he was rushed to Walter Reed in the middle of the night a few months back. They refuse to disclose the reason. And you have the inability to lift a glass of water to his mouth without using two hands and needing assistance going down a dry, gentle ramp.   I could see Biden deciding to only serve one term and Harris being the Democratic nominee in 2024, but not at all concerned with her needing to take over for Biden during his first term.  

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Trump and Pence have said any health plan they will pass will take care of people with pre existing conditions numerous times. They have condemned white hate groups numerous times. Chris Wallace asked Trump about condemning white hate groups in the 2016 debates, and he did, and numerous other times after that. Too  bad ignorant people choose to ignore it.  I’d stop answering it too after a while. But they cling to it because it works for their divisive rhetoric. They have to lie to create their narrative.  

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Pence answered the question about transfer of power masterfully, he explained how the left still hasn't accepted the last election.  It was one of his stronger moments.  This debate wasn't close, it was an absolute beatdown at every level.

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And on cue, Pence is being accused of mansplaining. Mostly by media Cucks. Who takes these people serious anymore besides gender studies students? 

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7 minutes ago, Reality said:

Pence answered the question about transfer of power masterfully, he explained how the left still hasn't accepted the last election.  It was one of his stronger moments.  This debate wasn't close, it was an absolute beatdown at every level.

Then we can expect to see a nice bump in the polls for Trump in a few days.  

Spoiler: We won't

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11 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Much greater chance of Biden still being with us in 2024 than Trump.  Look at their health.  Biden is still running up steps and doing pushups.  Trump is the only one out of 23 infected white house staffers to get sick enough to need hospitalization.  Plus, we still don't know why he was rushed to Walter Reed in the middle of the night a few months back. They refuse to disclose the reason. And you have the inability to lift a glass of water to his mouth without using two hands and needing assistance going down a dry, gentle ramp.   I could see Biden deciding to only serve one term and Harris being the Democratic nominee in 2024, but not at all concerned with her needing to take over for Biden during his first term.  

Yeah right, Trump just shrugged off covid while Biden wouldn’t stand a chance. That was funny. 

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1 minute ago, BirdGang said:

Yeah right, Trump just shrugged off covid while Biden wouldn’t stand a chance. That was funny. 

Intelligence and good choices also play a role in life expectancy.  Biden has always been much less likely to contract Covid than Trump.

And when Trump handles Covid worse than 400 lb Chris Christie, I don't think I'd be using it as a badge of toughness.  hth

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Didn’t Biden have an operation for brain aneurisms a few years ago? 

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If humans died in chronological order, then Trump would outlive Biden.  But by any other metric- weight, fitness, diet, past illnesses, etc, Trump would be around a 10-1 bet to go first. They're 78 and 74. They could have played on the same football team in high school. Virtually the same age.

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t Biden have an operation for brain aneurisms a few years ago? 

That would explain everything.

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No bump in the polls please. She was suppose to win in a landslide and got destroyed losing almost 90% of counties. Keep reporting he's dying in the polls. I hope they bump it to a 15 pt margin.

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12 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Intelligence and good choices also play a role in life expectancy.  Biden has always been much less likely to contract Covid than Trump.

And when Trump handles Covid worse than 400 lb Chris Christie, I don't think I'd be using it as a badge of toughness.  hth

You do realize that extra, sometimes unnecessary precautions are taken with the health of the POTUS, right? 

It wouldn't have mattered who was in the WH. They would've done the same thing. 

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Just now, FlyinHeadlock said:

No bump in the polls please. She was suppose to win in a landslide and got destroyed losing almost 90% of counties. Keep reporting he's dying in the polls. I hope they bump it to a 15 pt margin.

16 yesterday in one poll.  14 in another

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Just now, 5-Points said:

You do realize that extra, sometimes unnecessary precautions are taken with the health of the POTUS, right? 

It wouldn't have mattered who was in the WH. They would've done the same thing. 

But I thought you guys were just saying how tough Trump was for beating covid.  Now you're telling me he really didn't even have symptoms and anyone would have beat it?   Make up your minds please.

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You do realize that extra, sometimes unnecessary precautions are taken with the health of the POTUS, right? 

It wouldn't have mattered who was in the WH. They would've done the same thing. 

Yes, of course, everybody knows this. Only an absolute idiot would think otherwise. Hence, well, you see the responses.

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8 minutes ago, The Observer said:

16 yesterday in one poll.  14 in another

Perfect. Just need the landslide rhetoric by the pundants to kick in.

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10 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Her facial expressions makes her cynical and unlikeable

Yes.

But her insistence to identify as a black woman is a little maddening, trying to pretend she has anything approaching an understanding of what the average person goes through.  Her life is one of privilege, she needs to stop pandering.

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes.

But her insistence to identify as a black woman is a little maddening, trying to pretend she has anything approaching an understanding of what the average person goes through.  Her life is one of privilege, she needs to stop pandering.

She makes it seem she grew up in a shotgun shack with an outhouse. If this country is so racist and awful then why did her parents beg to get in. The US is the best thing that ever happened to her and her family period.

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2 minutes ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

She makes it seem she grew up in a shotgun shack with an outhouse. If this country is so racist and awful then why did her parents beg to get in. The US is the best thing that ever happened to her and her family period.

She certainly had WAY more advantages that I did....yet wants to pretend skin color is somehow an issue; another bullsh!t way people attempt to draw sympathy....

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Poor and white is more of a disadvantage. No united white college fund, no affirmative action, minority preference points on college entrance, government jobs. The deck is stacked against poor whites. Only fallback is the military where the playing field and benefits are more equal. 

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Just now, porkbutt said:

wow this thread is still here. i woulda peenied it hours ago lol

Probably because you're a pussie

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6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Probably because you're a pussie

lol youre a glutton for punishment. this thread is hilarious

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I liked the fly landing on Pence’s head. It was funny cause he looks like a wax figure.

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Just now, porkbutt said:

lol youre a glutton for punishment. this thread is hilarious

It's actually a great thread with good debate discussion.  Not sure what you're referring to

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Just now, MDC said:

I liked the fly landing on Pence’s head. It was funny cause he looks like a wax figure.

It was nice seeing that Pence did actually have a black friend

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1 minute ago, The Observer said:

It's actually a great thread with good debate discussion.  Not sure what you're referring to

what happened to your preemptive sympathy for pence:lol:

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I liked the fly landing on Pence’s head. It was funny cause he looks like a wax figure.

the fly > kamala

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Just now, porkbutt said:

what happened to your preemptive sympathy for pence:lol:

I made a post about that immediately following the debate.  Search boy, search

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Just now, The Observer said:

I made a post about that immediately following the debate.  Search boy, search

how about that buzzsaw?

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23 minutes ago, RLLD said:

She certainly had WAY more advantages that I did....yet wants to pretend skin color is somehow an issue; another bullsh!t way people attempt to draw sympathy....

  Both her parents were college professors. Her great grandfather was a plantation owner with loads of slaves. What a joke that she tries to glom on to the working class. Went to Stanford. Believe  it or not, that’s where her dad worked. What are the odds for a poor black girl doing that? She overcame so much. 

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Scranton Joe went to a private prep school. In Delaware, because that’s where he grew up. Just as bad as AOC claiming she’s from the Bronx. These people are as phony as they come. 

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Longtime uber successful politician against an affirmative action slut.  Is there anything less than kid gloves?  That's what Pence used last night.

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