Mask Mandate

[TimHauck 2,856]

47 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Lets follow the "expert's" advice. 

1) Masks don't work for the general public. 

 

 

Again, I’m pretty sure they never said “masks don’t work for the general public.”  They said they were more for people that were already sick, and at the time there were very few cases in the entire country.   But that was before we knew about the possibility of presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

And that's to be expected. Just like if someone attending had the flu. 

That doesn't necessarily translate into widespread infections through public social contact. 

In fact, your familial transmission probably abetted widespread public transmission because you all knew how, when and why you got it. 

Much different than passing by some stranger on aisle 15 at your local grocery store. 

Fair point. 

[OldMaid 2,130]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/can-coronavirus-spread-food-water/faq-20485479

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/food-and-COVID-19.html

[5-Points 3,522]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Again, I’m pretty sure they never said “masks don’t work for the general public.”  They said they were more for people that were already sick, and at the time there were very few cases in the entire country.   But that was before we knew about the possibility of presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission.

They did. And when I say "they" I mean the Surgeon General of the United States. 

Look it up, he said it. 

Even if it was meant to keep people from making a run on N95 masks, he said it. It's indisputable. 

Juxtaposed with subsequent mask mandates, you have to admit the hypocrisy. 

[Strike 5,535]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/food-and-COVID-19.html

Says basically the same thing as my link.  If you can only get it from breathing why are they telling you to disinfect surfaces?  Logic.  Use it.

[Fireballer 2,642]

Weeks ago, the CDC said 85% of people in a study of positive Covid patients said they wear a mask almost all the time.  Now, cloth masks protect the wearer from Covid?  What am I missing?

[OldMaid 2,130]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

Says basically the same thing as my link.  If you can only get it from breathing why are they telling you to disinfect surfaces?  Logic.  Use it.

Because there is a slight chance you’ll touch an infected surface and then pick your nose or rub your eye. Unless you are jamming your food into your nose holes or your eyes, you ain’t getting covid that way. Kinda like when you eat food it doesn’t go to your lungs. 

That’s logic...

[TimHauck 2,856]

48 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

They did. And when I say "they" I mean the Surgeon General of the United States. 

Look it up, he said it. 

Even if it was meant to keep people from making a run on N95 masks, he said it. It's indisputable. 

Juxtaposed with subsequent mask mandates, you have to admit the hypocrisy. 

Ok I was more referring to the CDC, which basically said what I thought:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331143006/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html

But even in this article from way back on 3/31, the director of the CDC stated they were still reviewing the data on masks:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824560471/should-we-all-be-wearing-masks-in-public-health-experts-revisit-the-question

 

But I assume you’re referring to this tweet;

 

I’m not sure that even says they don’t work, since he’s saying they need them for healthcare providers, which of course I’ll admit totally contradicts his first sentence.

[TimHauck 2,856]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Then why are BLM left leaning organizations like the NFL trying to play?  Why do they allow protests to go on full blown? Why arent these things bad?  Shut down college and do it all online....some schools have always been online only.

Why do we pick and choose as a society? Money? You dont say...

I’m not sure how this relates to my post?  

I don’t think the NFL is bad, since they are getting tested all the time.

I don’t think college classes are bad.  The problem is dorms and parties.

I do think BLM protests (and Trump rallies and Biden victory parties) are bad. Although technically I haven’t seen more than a few cases traced to any of those events (although of course too early to tell on the Biden victory parties).

[5-Points 3,522]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Ok I was more referring to the CDC, which basically said what I thought:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331143006/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html

But even in this article from way back on 3/31, the director of the CDC stated they were still reviewing the data on masks:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824560471/should-we-all-be-wearing-masks-in-public-health-experts-revisit-the-question

 

But I assume you’re referring to this tweet;

 

I’m not sure that even says they don’t work, since he’s saying they need them for healthcare providers, which of course I’ll admit totally contradicts his first sentence.

At least you can admit that the "powers that be" have been sending contradictory messages since the onset. 

Hence the current disbelief or lack of trust in the powers that be at this juncture. You can't lie to people in one breath then expect them to believe you in the next. 

[TimHauck 2,856]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

The same can be said for the flu or the common cold. 

Hell, for that matter,  couldn't we blame kids for all of the germ spreading?

 

Sure, but the flu or the common cold don’t kill 150k+ people (rounding way down for all those motorcycle covid deaths) in a 6 month period when its not even flu season.

Generally yes kids do spread a lot of germs.  But so far they do not appear to be significant spreaders of covid:

[TimHauck 2,856]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

At least you can admit that the "powers that be" have been sending contradictory messages since the onset. 

Hence the current disbelief or lack of trust in the powers that be at this juncture. You can't lie to people in one breath then expect them to believe you in the next. 

Sure if you talk to 5 different people you might get varying answers.

I apologize, I should have clarified my statement to refer to the CDC.  Their guidance on masks really hasn’t changed all that much IMO, and when it has it has been based on new information/

[5-Points 3,522]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Sure, but the flu or the common cold don’t kill 150k+ people (rounding way down for all those motorcycle covid deaths) in a 6 month period when its not even flu season.

Generally yes kids do spread a lot of germs.  But so far they do not appear to be significant spreaders of covid:

We lose more people to the flu every year than we have to the Wu-Flu this year. 

[TimHauck 2,856]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

We lose more people to the flu every year than we have to the Wu-Flu this year. 

False

[5-Points 3,522]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Sure if you talk to 5 different people you might get varying answers.

I apologize, I should have clarified my statement to refer to the CDC.  Their guidance on masks really hasn’t changed all that much IMO, and when it has it has been based on new information/

I disagree. 

We were told emphatically that wearing masks in public was unnecessary. In fact, they said it wasn't beneficial to healthy people. 

Somewhere, for some reason, factual or otherwise, that narrative changed. 

 

[5-Points 3,522]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

False

False

[listen2me 23 1,873]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not sure how this relates to my post?  

I don’t think the NFL is bad, since they are getting tested all the time.

I don’t think college classes are bad.  The problem is dorms and parties.

I do think BLM protests (and Trump rallies and Biden victory parties) are bad. Although technically I haven’t seen more than a few cases traced to any of those events (although of course too early to tell on the Biden victory parties).

If you have no students on campus then there are no or at very least minimal parties and no dorms.  

Its funny how we can pick and choose.  The left picks and chooses each day as seen with beetlejuice lightfoot just this week.   

Thousands of strangers protesting? Meh look the other way although if given the go ahead cops could break them up.  Family gathering for a great holiday like Thanksgiving? Nah no way.  

The goal posts move hourly.   Leaders who preach covid dont follow their own orders.  Then we sit and wonder why some dont follow the "rules".

To me thats pretty goofy.

[TimHauck 2,856]

10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

False

Let me guess, you’re on the “according to the CDC itself, covid was only the cause of 6% of the deaths!!” train?

[TimHauck 2,856]

15 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I disagree. 

We were told emphatically that wearing masks in public was unnecessary. In fact, they said it wasn't beneficial to healthy people. 

Somewhere, for some reason, factual or otherwise, that narrative changed. 

 

I believe they (the CDC) have always said (even with the recent change - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html) that it was more for sick people.

The initial change recommending everyone wear them was because of the revelation of the possibility of presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission.  So they’re still primarily meant for “sick” people, the issue is we don’t know who’s sick.

[5-Points 3,522]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Let me guess, you’re on the “according to the CDC itself, covid was only the cause of 6% of the deaths!!” train?

I'm on the "I don't believe any of the buIIshit I've been fed for the last 20 years" train.

I was anti-msm before anti msm-was cool.

I'm no conspiracy theorist. I've always lived by "Don't believe anything you hear and only believe half of what you see" rule. 

It's served me well for the last 50 years. 

[edjr 6,580]

11 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

First masks don't work

Then masks protects others

Now masks protect you

Yeah sure okay. Must have been some huge scientific break through these past couple of months. Who knew we could have stopped all viruses centuries ago just by wearing a face diaper. 

1900 - I bet in the future we'll have nanobots to fight infections.

2020 - put a diaper on your face 

 

Eta - since you finally found ONE study that says wearing a face diaper keeps you safe you go right ahead. No need to worry about what Im wearing.

common sense has always told me, they work for both parties. it just makes sense,

[listen2me 23 1,873]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I believe they (the CDC) have always said (even with the recent change - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html) that it was more for sick people.

The initial change recommending everyone wear them was because of the revelation of the possibility of presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission.  So they’re still primarily meant for “sick” people, the issue is we don’t know who’s sick.

So many of these health organizations flip flopped.  Didnt know all the info to start....yet the Dems blasted Trump for the response?  

Trump banned flights from China early on and they called it racist.

Cant win with the left.  Unless of course you bow, give up, and kiss the ring.

[TimHauck 2,856]

28 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I'm on the "I don't believe any of the buIIshit I've been fed for the last 20 years" train.

I was anti-msm before anti msm-was cool.

I'm no conspiracy theorist. I've always lived by "Don't believe anything you hear and only believe half of what you see" rule. 

It's served me well for the last 50 years. 

So how many covid deaths do you think there have been and what is your source for that conclusion?

[TimHauck 2,856]

29 minutes ago, edjr said:

common sense has always told me, they work for both parties. it just makes sense,

Yeah I’ve said this before but it doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to conclude that putting something over your face will likely result in less stuff getting in or out.

I mean the poster you quoted is calling it a “face diaper.”  But diapers keep piss and from going everywhere right (most of the time at least)?   So it’s probably not a bad comparison, unless the argument is just that they look stupid.   

[edjr 6,580]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah I’ve said this before but it doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to conclude that putting something over your face will likely result in less stuff getting in or out.

I mean the poster you quoted is calling it a “face diaper.”  But diapers keep piss and from going everywhere right (most of the time at least)?   So it’s probably not a bad comparison, unless the argument is just that they look stupid.   

PZOWNED

[5-Points 3,522]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So how many covid deaths do you think there have been and what is your source for that conclusion?

I honestly don't know and I honestly don't care. 

My guess is, it's considerably fewer than we've been told. As in legit "covid" caused, with no extenuating circumstances, deaths. I'd put it at the same level of Swine Flu deaths.

It's just been sensationalized for some reason. 

[jerryskids 6,790]

46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I believe they (the CDC) have always said (even with the recent change - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html) that it was more for sick people.

The initial change recommending everyone wear them was because of the revelation of the possibility of presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission.  So they’re still primarily meant for “sick” people, the issue is we don’t know who’s sick.

Presymptomatic is no big surprise; we’ve often heard in the past phrases like “by the time you get the symptoms you are past the contagious stage” about other ailments.

Asymptomatic is most likely false positives, but the powers that be would never admit that.  Unless there are studies incontrovertibly showing that people who never show a symptom have gotten others sick, I’m calling bull on that one.

[TimHauck 2,856]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Presymptomatic is no big surprise; we’ve often heard in the past phrases like “by the time you get the symptoms you are past the contagious stage” about other ailments.

Asymptomatic is most likely false positives, but the powers that be would never admit that.  Unless there are studies incontrovertibly showing that people who never show a symptom have gotten others sick, I’m calling bull on that one.

I do agree that asymptomatic transmission is probably overblown, but seems like it does happen:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-study-idUSKBN20G00J

[jerryskids 6,790]

12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I do agree that asymptomatic transmission is probably overblown, but seems like it does happen:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-study-idUSKBN20G00J

Fair enough, although I don’t trust China on Covid data at all.  

[wiffleball 4,790]

18 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Fair point. 

No, Five Point.

[wiffleball 4,790]

The virus can fly 21ft so of course make sure you stand 6 ft apart from each other. Huh???

 

Sachi himself came out and send that they were wrong about being able to get the virus via hard surface contact. But that didn't fit the media narrative so that went over like a fart in a windstorm. Cuz God damn it was good for the Lysol industry.

[5-Points 3,522]

13 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

No, Five Point.

 

 

 

 

[Boots11234 108]

On 11/13/2020 at 8:26 AM, GutterBoy said:

I'm sorry but you're either not smart or you're brainwashed.

There is plenty of evidence of how masks are effective in slowly the spread of viruses.  Here is one link but I know you won't even read it: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

The use of "Face Diaper" shows your disdain and your unwillingness to follow some simple rules.

And I'm not saying that a mask works 100%.  Different masks work differently, how you wear it, all that stuff.  But if it helps stop 10% of virus transmission, that's a good thing and could help stop the spread.  Plus it's common courtesy and following rules.  Your lack of respect for rules and others makes you a bad person.  Eat my turds.

I love this place! Ha ha ha!!  Finally a place where adults can behave like adults. 

[TimHauck 2,856]

25 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

The virus can fly 21ft so of course make sure you stand 6 ft apart from each other. Huh???

 

Sachi himself came out and send that they were wrong about being able to get the virus via hard surface contact. But that didn't fit the media narrative so that went over like a fart in a windstorm. Cuz God damn it was good for the Lysol industry.

You can get it from surfaces.   Just not likely.

[DonS 3,292]

33 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You can get it from surfaces.   Just not likely.

Yep. That's why I bring a vat of hand sanitizer to your mom's house.  She always seems to schedule her bukkake appointments right before my time slot.

 

[TimHauck 2,856]

1 hour ago, DonS said:

Yep. That's why I bring a vat of hand sanitizer to your mom's house.  She always seems to schedule her bukkake appointments right before my time slot.

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/21/840522664/germany-says-it-has-identified-the-first-coronavirus-transmission-in-the-country

[wiffleball 4,790]

I'm guessing some of  you guys jerk off to the idea of having a Masked Man-Date tonight.

[TimHauck 2,856]

On 11/13/2020 at 8:50 PM, 5-Points said:

I honestly don't know and I honestly don't care. 

My guess is, it's considerably fewer than we've been told. As in legit "covid" caused, with no extenuating circumstances, deaths. I'd put it at the same level of Swine Flu deaths.

It's just been sensationalized for some reason. 

Wrong. Was this one of the 1%?

[5-Points 3,522]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Wrong. Was this one of the 1%?

Nope. Correct again. 

[Cdub100 3,903]

Glad to see some of you finally came around on masks.