Mask Mandate

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

History will look back on this time as an over reaction that in the end caused more harm than the actual virus. None of it worked. The virus has to run it's course.

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3 minutes ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

History will look back on this time as an over reaction that in the end caused more harm than the actual virus. None of it worked. The virus has to run it's course.

Apparently it worked for it's intended purpose. 

[supermike80 1,865]

1 hour ago, vuduchile said:

I'm curious about this too.  If masks are so effective, why are cases across MI spiking?  I see masks literally everywhere I go.  My son's basketball team is playing games with masks.  Both sons wear masks all day in school.  We wear them at the grocery store, the convenience store, on the sidelines at outdoor football games.  Never in our lives have we ever worn masks en masse like this.  

The numbers simply don't add up.  

Yup.  Said this too.   My wife keeps countering with "people aren't wearing them at parties bars etc etc.."

Maybe, I suppose.  But I know in my part of Michigan masks are worn by almost everyone, everywhere.  So I can't understand how the cases are spiking.

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6 hours ago, Brad GLuckman said:

The anti-mask crowd continues to just baffle me. What an odd thing to get all worked up about. Here's a new report that cloth masks protect the person wearing it, as well as others.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/11/933903848/wear-masks-to-protect-yourself-from-the-coronavirus-not-only-others-cdc-stresses

 

Read the scientific journals. Probably why you are baffled. They do not work. What people are saying is it kinda works a little. That kinda works a little is not enough to matter. Cases are still rising.

Take a car. For every 100 lbs of weight removed the ratio is roughly 10hp gain. Does anyone ever say wow, the car feels so much faster now that my 170lbs passenger got out. No. It's not enough to matter for anything of value just like these masks. If you want to say though your car is fast as phuck now with 15 more hp though go ahead.

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10 minutes ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

History will look back on this time as an over reaction that in the end caused more harm than the actual virus. None of it worked. The virus has to run it's course.

Yes, eventually this will ring true. What else is true is that if there ever is a real killer virus, everyone dies. There will be no stopping it.

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1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

Wear your face diaper. I literally don't care. 

Be a retard, I don't care either.

[OldMaid 2,130]

51 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yup.  Said this too.   My wife keeps countering with "people aren't wearing them at parties bars etc etc.."

Maybe, I suppose.  But I know in my part of Michigan masks are worn by almost everyone, everywhere.  So I can't understand how the cases are spiking.

What people do in private is very different than what they do out in public. We know a bunch of people who wear masks to the store, etc. Then they go and have a bunch of people over on Fri or Sat night and no masks.

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2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

What people do in private is very different than what they do out in public. We know a bunch of people who wear masks to the store, etc. Then they go and have a bunch of people over on Fri or Sat night and no masks.

Same thing my wife says.   I suppose it's very likely.  Dunno.

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54 minutes ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

Read the scientific journals. Probably why you are baffled. They do not work. What people are saying is it kinda works a little. That kinda works a little is not enough to matter. Cases are still rising.

Take a car. For every 100 lbs of weight removed the ratio is roughly 10hp gain. Does anyone ever say wow, the car feels so much faster now that my 170lbs passenger got out. No. It's not enough to matter for anything of value just like these masks. If you want to say though your car is fast as phuck now with 15 more hp though go ahead.

Kinda works a little means your viral load is reduced means you’re less likely to die from it. So I’d say they’re worthwhile 

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4 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

What people do in private is very different than what they do out in public. We know a bunch of people who wear masks to the store, etc. Then they go and have a bunch of people over on Fri or Sat night and no masks.

But I have a choice whether to go over to their house. Don’t have a choice but to see them at the grocery store.

[OldMaid 2,130]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

But I have a choice whether to go over to their house. Don’t have a choice but to see them at the grocery store.

I was responding to a question about if people are wearing masks, why is it still spreading.

Not sure what your point is here.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, OldMaid said:

I was responding to a question about if people are wearing masks, why is it still spreading.

Not sure what your point is here.

Not arguing, just saying even if people aren’t 100% faithful to the mandate it’s still very helpful. Guessing we’re on the same page here

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On 11/8/2020 at 7:48 PM, Cloaca du jour said:

That go over like a fart in church

Confucius say: He who fart in church, must sit in own pew

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11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

But I have a choice whether to go over to their house. Don’t have a choice but to see them at the grocery store.

Groceries can be delivered these days. Haven't you heard? There's no reason for you to leave your house. Hunker down and wait it out. It'll all be over soon. 

[vuduchile 1,945]

2 hours ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

Oh, they do add up. Look at the states with these draconian covid laws. All financially busted, even before the virus. Easiest way to refill the coffers is with Federal dollars. This will be one of the first measures passed if he gets in. Massive redistribution of wealth to these failing cities.

 

2 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

For masks to be effective they have to be worn properly. Part of that is disposing of a mask after wearing it. You also can't touch your face and you're supposed to be in a controlled environment. Even doing all that mask offer little to no protection. The are worn to protect the wear from breathing in or ingesting blood and other fluids from patients not to stop viruses. 

In the general public masks are not worn properly at all. People don't dispose of them, people are constantly touching their face.

Virus thrive in CO2 environments wearing a mask reduces your oxygen intake they also create a moist area for bacteria and other germs/viruses to collect next to the most vulnerable parts of your body to those infections.

The mask mandate here in Michigan went into effect at the end of June. Go look at the infection rate time line. Not a week after the mandate our declining infection rate shot back up and have stayed high and steady since.

Mask wearers can get focked.

 

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

November 7th lori lightfootmayor of Chicago is outside with I dont know 100 200 people all packed together celebrating a Biden "win".   This is on her twitter.

Yesterday she puts in place a Chicago lockdown starting the 16th and says shouldnt do a traditional Thanksgiving.

Cant make this stuff up.  

Same with the DC mayor putting Delaware on the high risk travel ban then  going against it herself and going to Delaware to celebrate a Biden "victory".  

I mean if the Lefty leaders could at least drop the hypocrisy then maybe they could be some what believable.

Lighthead can celebrate a Biden victory, but Grandma can't host Thanksgiving in Chicago.  Half-Whitmer can march against the police but my youngest son can't get a ticket to see his brother play basketball.   Masks must be worn by fans and coaches at a HS football game but the players, who are in closest contact, can put a piece of plastic inside their facemask and play on.  

Some say we get the leadership we deserve and maybe they're right. But some of this stuff is just crazy.

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Just now, vuduchile said:

 

 

Lighthead can celebrate a Biden victory, but Grandma can't host Thanksgiving in Chicago.  Half-Whitmer can march against the police but my youngest son can't get a ticket to see his brother play basketball.   Masks must be worn by fans and coaches at a HS football game but the players, who are in closest contact, can put a piece of plastic inside their facemask and play on.  

Some say we get the leadership we deserve and maybe they're right. But some of this stuff is just crazy.

Its science so I wouldnt question it.

The tough part comes when determining male and female people.  Then the science gets tricky.  

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, vuduchile said:

 

 

Lighthead can celebrate a Biden victory, but Grandma can't host Thanksgiving in Chicago.  Half-Whitmer can march against the police but my youngest son can't get a ticket to see his brother play basketball.   Masks must be worn by fans and coaches at a HS football game but the players, who are in closest contact, can put a piece of plastic inside their facemask and play on.  

Some say we get the leadership we deserve and maybe they're right. But some of this stuff is just crazy.

To be fair Lightfoot is probably saving lives by not allowing Grandmas to host Thanksgiving.  Seems like all reports about kids getting shot occur after a argument breaks out at a party or get together. 

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I wear a mask as little as possible. I want to be as little of a contributor to the prolonging of this thing as I can.  I am not that much of a selfish ass hole. 

[TimHauck 2,662]

3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Same thing my wife says.   I suppose it's very likely.  Dunno.

To that point, I think the anti-maskers would have a better argument if instead of saying "masks don't work," they said something like:

"Transmission of covid is not very likely to occur during the limited time one goes to a grocery store/Home Depot, and since people likely are not wearing masks during the times when it seems to spread the most such as in your own household or at family gatherings, implementing a mask mandate for public spaces probably won't do much."

Still, IMO "not doing much" is better than nothing.

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I wear a mask.  Whatever really.   I get endless disposable masks from work and have a supply in my vehicle.  I can wear  a mask I dont care.  Its not a big deal to me.

I do question this whole thing though.  Question if it was planned by China.  Question if elites from here are in on it with China.  Really question how fabricated the numbers are...they are fabricated no doubt.  Question how bad the virus actually is.  

But people who believe in covid 100% think masks are a save all.  Like lori lightfoot in Chicago gathering a couple hundred in the street packed in....but they had masks! Meanwhile 5 days later Chicago calls for a lockdown.

If the actual lefty government officials who preach covid numbers and bad Trump arent going to take it real serious....why should I?  If they dont care about thousands protesting together for the last 6 months then why should I care if Im around 10 friends without masks or want a Thanksgiving?  I shouldnt.  And dont.  

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4 hours ago, OldMaid said:

I was responding to a question about if people are wearing masks, why is it still spreading.

Not sure what your point is here.

You know why it's still spreading? I'll give you a real life example...

I walked into the bathroom at work, wearing my mandated mask, and I could smell that some motherfucker was wrecking the joint. If I can breathe schit particles through the mask, I can breathe the chinabug through it.

On a positive note, the WuhanFlu  has eradicated the normal flu.

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Just now, lickin_starfish said:

You know why it's still spreading? I'll give you a real life example...

I walked into the bathroom at work, wearing my mandated mask, and I could smell that some motherfucker was wrecking the joint. If I can breathe schit particles through the mask, I can breathe the chinabug through it.

 

This is true. I brought this up a while back. It is absolutely in those plumes if they are infected. China found it in feces of infected but this aspect is rarely discussed.

I would wear the mask but the messaging of it has turned into a political weapon so no, not wearing it anymore. Either denounce all gathering or denounce none. Either cancel all sports or cancel none. I have a serious problem with it now because it's no longer about the good of all. It is used as a shaming mechanism. Even the guy who said wear it is bsing at a game without one on. No. It's not funny to me. Leaders are suppose to set the example. He is a political agent at this point. He knew that vaccine was ready before the election.

[OldMaid 2,130]

https://medium.com/geek-physics/if-masks-work-why-can-i-smell-farts-c0b8e10323c6

 

For our mentally challenged geeks!

[lickin_starfish 1,909]

1 minute ago, OldMaid said:

https://medium.com/geek-physics/if-masks-work-why-can-i-smell-farts-c0b8e10323c6

 

For our mentally challenged geeks!

Thanks for the science lesson. I didn't research the size of fart molecules.

Can you explain why the masks aren't having an effect on the spread? Can you tell us where the normal flu went?

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Lets follow the "expert's" advice. 

1) Masks don't work for the general public. 6 feet of social distance is sufficient. 

2) Wear a mask in public

3)If you can't wear a mask in public, maintain a "social distance" of 6 feet from strangers.

4) Wear a mask whenever you're in public places and maintain 6' of social distance.

5) Wear a mask AND maintain 6' social distancing whenever you're in public and you can't celebrate holidays as a family. 

 

It's almost like they don't know WTF they're talking about. 

 

 

 

[OldMaid 2,130]

12 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Thanks for the science lesson. I didn't research the size of fart molecules.

Can you explain why the masks aren't having an effect on the spread? Can you tell us where the normal flu went?

This is up thread, but apparently you can’t be bothered.

Yes, a lot of people are following the prescribed mask wearing when they go out to the store, etc. But then they are having gatherings in their home and foregoing the use of masks. Remember how they told you that when you have unprotected sex, it’s like having unprotected sex with every person that person had sex with, and so on? When you get together with people and don’t wear a mask, you’re basically playing Six Degrees of Covid.

Link to the normal flu disappearing?

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2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

This is up thread, but apparently you can’t be bothered.

Yes, a lot of people are following the prescribed mask wearing when they go out to the store, etc. But then they are having gatherings in their home and foregoing the use of masks. Remember how they told you that when you have unprotected sex, it’s like having unprotected sex with every person that person had sex with, and so on? When you get together with people and don’t wear a mask, you’re basically playing Six Degrees of Covid.

Link to the normal flu 

There are plenty of people at your local grocery store who don't wear masks in the back room. Trust me. 

People in back of the house at your local restaurants, same thing. 

 

Family gatherings and birthday parties aren't the problem. 

[TimHauck 2,662]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

There are plenty of people at your local grocery store who don't wear masks in the back room. Trust me. 

People in back of the house at your local restaurants, same thing. 

 

Family gatherings and birthday parties aren't the problem. 

What’s the problem then?

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What’s the problem then?

Overreaction 

[OldMaid 2,130]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

There are plenty of people at your local grocery store who don't wear masks in the back room. Trust me. 

People in back of the house at your local restaurants, same thing. 

 

Family gatherings and birthday parties aren't the problem. 

You do realize you don’t get covid by ingesting it, right? It enters through the respiratory system.

[TimHauck 2,662]

for the record, I wouldn’t say family gatherings and parties are “the problem,” but at least anecdotally they seem to be at least part of the problem.  Quite a few stories of weddings and parties resulting in double digit infections.  Other than nursing homes of course, places like bars, places of worship, and manufacturing plants seem to be among the worst offenders.

[listen2me 23 1,839]

Just now, TimHauck said:

for the record, I wouldn’t say family gatherings and parties are “the problem,” but at least anecdotally they seem to be at least part of the problem.  Quite a few stories of weddings and parties resulting in double digit infections.  Other than nursing homes of course, places like bars, places of worship, and manufacturing plants seem to be among the worst offenders.

Then why are BLM left leaning organizations like the NFL trying to play?  Why do they allow protests to go on full blown? Why arent these things bad?  Shut down college and do it all online....some schools have always been online only.

Why do we pick and choose as a society? Money? You dont say...

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

for the record, I wouldn’t say family gatherings and parties are “the problem,” but at least anecdotally they seem to be at least part of the problem.  Quite a few stories of weddings and parties resulting in double digit infections.  Other than nursing homes of course, places like bars, places of worship, and manufacturing plants seem to be among the worst offenders.

This. 
 

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3 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

You do realize you don’t get covid by ingesting it, right? It enters through the respiratory system.

So if you aren't coughing or sneezing or if you don't suffer from a pre-existing respiratory illness, there's no reason for you to have to wear a mask?

Agreed.

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11 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

You do realize you don’t get covid by ingesting it, right? It enters through the respiratory system.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/can-coronavirus-spread-food-water/faq-20485479

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

for the record, I wouldn’t say family gatherings and parties are “the problem,” but at least anecdotally they seem to be at least part of the problem.  Quite a few stories of weddings and parties resulting in double digit infections.  Other than nursing homes of course, places like bars, places of worship, and manufacturing plants seem to be among the worst offenders.

The same can be said for the flu or the common cold. 

Hell, for that matter,  couldn't we blame kids for all of the germ spreading?

 

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/can-coronavirus-spread-food-water/faq-20485479

Dammit.

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22 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

There are plenty of people at your local grocery store who don't wear masks in the back room. Trust me. 

People in back of the house at your local restaurants, same thing. 

 

Family gatherings and birthday parties aren't the problem. 

A birthday party is how I got infected. Pretty sure I got it from my brother-in-law. Two others that were at the party also tested positive.

Weddings have been a huge spreader of the virus around here as well. 

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32 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

This is up thread, but apparently you can’t be bothered.

Yes, a lot of people are following the prescribed mask wearing when they go out to the store, etc. But then they are having gatherings in their home and foregoing the use of masks. Remember how they told you that when you have unprotected sex, it’s like having unprotected sex with every person that person had sex with, and so on? When you get together with people and don’t wear a mask, you’re basically playing Six Degrees of Covid.

Link to the normal flu disappearing?

Maybe people can't be bothered because the people telling them what to do can't be bothered:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Newsom-attended-French-Laundry-party-with-more-15725393.php?converted=1

 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A birthday party is how I got infected. Pretty sure I got it from my brother-in-law. Two others that were at the party also tested positive.

Weddings have been a huge spreader of the virus around here as well. 

And that's to be expected. Just like if someone attending had the flu. 

That doesn't necessarily translate into widespread infections through public social contact. 

In fact, your familial transmission probably abetted widespread public transmission because you all knew how, when and why you got it. 

Much different than passing by some stranger on aisle 15 at your local grocery store.