nobody 2,022 Posted June 6, 2021 I guess Tannehill should increase in value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 607 Posted June 6, 2021 Given the Titans are inheriting the entire contract this is probably about as good of a deal as could be expected for Atlanta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 567 Posted June 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, nobody said: I guess Tannehill should increase in value. A little bit. Loss of Jonnu + Davis limits the upside. But a guy to target later once all the big guns are off the board. I think this really helps AJ Brown... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted June 6, 2021 Tannehil up, Julio and Aj down, Henry up. Won’t be able to stack the box at all against him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted June 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, jrokh said: A little bit. Loss of Jonnu + Davis limits the upside. But a guy to target later once all the big guns are off the board. I think this really helps AJ Brown... I’d be surprised if it helps Brown. Yes takes some of the attention away from him but also, presumably, opportunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 567 Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, IGotWorms said: I’d be surprised if it helps Brown. Yes takes some of the attention away from him but also, presumably, opportunities. Not me. This is great for Brown. I watched a bunch of Titans games last season. Davis was always single covered, usually against the lesser CB. Brown had to work twice as hard to get open. Not anymore. He will likely be a top 5 wr on my board come august.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted June 6, 2021 4 hours ago, tanatastic said: Henry up. Won’t be able to stack the box at all against him. Agreed. While he was in contention before, this pretty much solidifies Henry as the RB1 this season (barring injury, of course). And we know Julio can't catch TDs, so Henry will bank all those extra red zone trips he helps produce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 39 Posted June 6, 2021 So on the Atlanta side, a bump for Pitts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted June 6, 2021 39 minutes ago, makindollaz said: So on the Atlanta side, a bump for Pitts? Minor but mainly a bump for Ridley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaChup 154 Posted June 6, 2021 $15M for a tweaked hamstring sounds like a lot of money. I will tweak mine for free. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 6, 2021 Every 12 or 14 team non ppr mock I’ve been involved in to date I’ve been able to pick up Gage as my wr5 or wr6. Thats not going to happen any more, I think he gets a boost. And I see more playing time for Hurst and Pitts , I think they both get a boost from this move. N Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 6, 2021 5 hours ago, jrokh said: Not me. This is great for Brown. I watched a bunch of Titans games last season. Davis was always single covered, usually against the lesser CB. Brown had to work twice as hard to get open. Not anymore. He will likely be a top 5 wr on my board come august.... Last season his avg points per game non ppr he was in the top five. So thats a real reach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 6, 2021 Jones said he wanted to go to a team with a Qb that has a big arm, big arm Tannehill has, but he’s a little limited when it come to be successful on those deep passes right ? I think this help A Brown . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 567 Posted June 6, 2021 1 minute ago, weepaws said: Last season his avg points per game non ppr he was in the top five. So thats a real reach. The discussion was whether this was a boost for AJ or if this hurts him. Most people don't play Non PPR, I have no idea what his avg points in non ppr were and I could care less. If I ever retire to a depressed gambling city to spend my golden years commenting on the internet about a game that I never watch, perhaps I will be more up to date with 16 team non ppr leagues full of jamokes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, AxeElf said: Agreed. While he was in contention before, this pretty much solidifies Henry as the RB1 this season (barring injury, of course). And we know Julio can't catch TDs, so Henry will bank all those extra red zone trips he helps produce. Henry was on contention being a rb1 this next season what?m He was a rb1 before this move, losing C Davis and J Smith didn’t hurt his stock as a rb1. And picking up Jones doesn’t solidify Henry Rb1 ranking. Jones is going to second fiddle to A Brown in the pass game like C Davis was and will produce very similar ff points. And Henry was before Jones and still is ff rb1. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, jrokh said: The discussion was whether this was a boost for AJ or if this hurts him. Most people don't play Non PPR, I have no idea what his avg points in non ppr were and I could care less. If I ever retire to a depressed gambling city to spend my golden years commenting on the internet about a game that I never watch, perhaps I will be more up to date with 16 team non ppr leagues full of jamokes... 7th best avg in ppr, real reach ranking him in your top 5 on your personal wr rankings. lol. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, makindollaz said: So on the Atlanta side, a bump for Pitts? I think moving Jones was the ideal before the draft, so I think so. They already have a good young te in Hurst, so I can see them using Pitts in many different ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 585 Posted June 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Mike FF Today said: Given the Titans are inheriting the entire contract this is probably about as good of a deal as could be expected for Atlanta. I couldnt agree more. he may be worth it today. maybe next year too. but at some point that contract will be an albatross around the neck of the team. The real winner here is Pitts. He likely gets more targets as a rookie than he would have otherwise. I guess we will find out just how good the kid is. What would be funny is if the team played him as a WR and he lit it up there. (from what I hear, this is actually a possibility even if it is unlikely) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,022 Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, AxeElf said: And we know Julio can't catch TDs, so Henry will bank all those extra red zone trips he helps produce. Pretty sure Julio caught a TD back in 2017. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,022 Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ray_T said: What would be funny is if the team played him as a WR and he lit it up there. (from what I hear, this is actually a possibility even if it is unlikely) That would be tough for a rookie even though he's being drafted like that's the case. I think losing Julio hurts him. Julio would tilt the defense towards him. No one there to do that now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 585 Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, nobody said: Pretty sure Julio caught a TD back in 2017. I think he had one year where he got a fair number of TD's but that's not his bread and butter. hes a catch and yards player. to me, that makes him less risky. if depending on TD's thats always a feast of famine stat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Ray_T said: I think he had one year where he got a fair number of TD's but that's not his bread and butter. hes a catch and yards player. to me, that makes him less risky. if depending on TD's thats always a feast of famine stat. I would usually agree with that, but Tannehill had 145 less pass att last season than Ryan had, that’s going to be a problem for a player that relies on those rec and yards. And Jones said he wanted to team up with a Qb with a big arm. Tannehill has always been known as a below avg deep ball passer, that’s going to be a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted June 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Ray_T said: I couldnt agree more. he may be worth it today. maybe next year too. but at some point that contract will be an albatross around the neck of the team. The real winner here is Pitts. He likely gets more targets as a rookie than he would have otherwise. I guess we will find out just how good the kid is. What would be funny is if the team played him as a WR and he lit it up there. (from what I hear, this is actually a possibility even if it is unlikely) From a contract perspective, Jones' contract will never hurt Tennessee, especially if it pans out the way you said. His contract over the next 3 years, for Tennessee will be $15M, $11M, $11M, and that's all cash... nothing guaranteed. They can cut him at any point at not impact to the salary cap. I agree with Pitts. I think Atlanta is going to use him as a hybrid WR/TE this year. They still have Hurst who will probably be used more as the in-line TE than Pitts, so they don't actually need to line up Pitts there. Depending on how good of a route runner Pitts and his ability to run the route tree, he could be used primarily as a WR early on with Gage being anchored in at slot. The Falcons did at Mike Davis, so I don't think they're planning on being more of a power run team, so I expect them to throw the ball over 650 times this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted June 8, 2021 I'm not sure that bringing in Julio makes up for losing Jonnu and Corey Davis in terms of Tannehill's fantasy value. As long as Henry is healthy they're going to remain a run-first team. Tannehill might be one of the most efficient QBs in the league but his opportunities and upside are still limited. I'd be selling Tannehill now if I could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted June 8, 2021 2 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said: I'm not sure that bringing in Julio makes up for losing Jonnu and Corey Davis in terms of Tannehill's fantasy value. As long as Henry is healthy they're going to remain a run-first team. Tannehill might be one of the most efficient QBs in the league but his opportunities and upside are still limited. I'd be selling Tannehill now if I could. Too bad we're not in the same league because if you were selling, I'd be buying. Tannehill is now a low end QB1. Sign me up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 567 Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said: Too bad we're not in the same league because if you were selling, I'd be buying. Tannehill is now a low end QB1. Sign me up. In my league, Tanny was the QB 7 last season. Low end QB1 is the floor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, jrokh said: In my league, Tanny was the QB 7 last season. Low end QB1 is the floor. Yeah, mine too (though 10th in ppg), but prior to the Jones trade, I was thinking he'd probably be a high QB2 this year because I didn't think his weapons were as good and I didn't think he'd get 7 rushing TD's again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 567 Posted June 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Yeah, mine too (though 10th in ppg), but prior to the Jones trade, I was thinking he'd probably be a high QB2 this year because I didn't think his weapons were as good and I didn't think he'd get 7 rushing TD's again. Yeah, I factored Julio in that assessment. One of the narratives is the Titans are a heavy running team, which obviously is true. However, this often leads to stacked boxes, hence some of the awesome efficiency in the passing game. I predict more 11 personnel packages this season for the Titans leading to an uptick in pass attempts. For Fantasy a solid strategy is let others grab the big guns at QB and one of Tanny/Brady/Burrow should be there at a more palatable draft position... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted June 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, jrokh said: Yeah, I factored Julio in that assessment. One of the narratives is the Titans are a heavy running team, which obviously is true. However, this often leads to stacked boxes, hence some of the awesome efficiency in the passing game. I predict more 11 personnel packages this season for the Titans leading to an uptick in pass attempts. For Fantasy a solid strategy is let others grab the big guns at QB and one of Tanny/Brady/Burrow should be there at a more palatable draft position... Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 8, 2021 I think we’ll see the Titans try to pass more, but I don’t see Tannehill having a total of 40 tds , I think this team takes a step back this season and simply won’t be as efficient moving the ball. Tannehill is still a low qb1 a very good double digit round draft pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, weepaws said: I think we’ll see the Titans try to pass more, but I don’t see Tannehill having a total of 40 tds , I think this team takes a step back this season and simply won’t be as efficient moving the ball. Tannehill is still a low qb1 a very good double digit round draft pick. I agree. I can see 40 though, but that would be the absolute ceiling. Probably 38 is the most likely. I don't think 33 and 5 is unreasonable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted June 8, 2021 6 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said: I'm not sure that bringing in Julio makes up for losing Jonnu and Corey Davis in terms of Tannehill's fantasy value. As long as Henry is healthy they're going to remain a run-first team. Tannehill might be one of the most efficient QBs in the league but his opportunities and upside are still limited. I'd be selling Tannehill now if I could. They didn’t use Jonnu enough and Corey Davis has been pretty meh his whole career. That said, I don’t have confidence in Julio staying healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted June 8, 2021 6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: Too bad we're not in the same league because if you were selling, I'd be buying. Tannehill is now a low end QB1. Sign me up. I think you’re vastly overrating the direct affect Julio will have to Tannehill’s overall stats. That’s why you’re the sucker I’d be selling to. Tannehill was extremely efficient last year, I don’t see adding Julio making him somehow MORE efficient. Adding Julio helps the Titans IRL but I think overall it hurts AJ Brown in fantasy more than anything. The Titans bread and butter is Derrick Henry so you expect Tannehill to suddenly increase in attempts and volume just because Julio is here seems illogical to me. To each his own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted June 8, 2021 Don’t think it hurts A Brown at all, I think Jones has a season similar to C Davis career season last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,022 Posted June 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said: I think you’re vastly overrating the direct affect Julio will have to Tannehill’s overall stats. That’s why you’re the sucker I’d be selling to. Tannehill was extremely efficient last year, I don’t see adding Julio making him somehow MORE efficient. Adding Julio helps the Titans IRL but I think overall it hurts AJ Brown in fantasy more than anything. The Titans bread and butter is Derrick Henry so you expect Tannehill to suddenly increase in attempts and volume just because Julio is here seems illogical to me. To each his own. Bigger problem for Tannehill is Author Smith left. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 397 Posted June 8, 2021 That's a big offense! They have the biggest RB in the NFL, and now the two biggest WRs, or very close to it. Better bring the lumber if you're gonna stop the Titans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted June 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, polecatt said: That's a big offense! They have the biggest RB in the NFL, and now the two biggest WRs, or very close to it. Better bring the lumber if you're gonna stop the Titans Isn't Brown only like 6'? There's a lot of WR's bigger than 6'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 397 Posted June 8, 2021 54 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Isn't Brown only like 6'? There's a lot of WR's bigger than 6'. He's also like 230 lbs. Not a lot of WRs bigger than that, even Julio is just 220 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites