Global warming cannot be stopped, per UN

[TimmySmith 2,782]

24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Speaking of cult-like beliefs, I've been meaning to tell this story:  Halloween night we set up the candy stand outside and in doing so met a few of our new neighbors (recall that we recently moved).  One across from us has a sign in their yard "climate action NOW" and the folks next to them "Choose Love".  Ends up the climate action people seemed pretty normal.  Mrs. Choose Love however... she is in her 60s and mentioned to the group that their son's wife was having a baby.

Mrs. Climate Action Now:  Oh, I thought they weren't going to have kids.

Mrs. Choose Love:  [with an odd, sheepish look on their face]:  I know, he is 32 and they said they weren't going to, you know, because of climate change [shrugs shoulders] I dunno, hopefully the earth will still be OK..."

All of us, even the people who've known them for years:     

She seemed honestly disappointed/scared that their children were bringing children into the world.  How does one get to this state if no for a cult-like following?   

Her dipsh1t son and wife killed it at woke parties for years with their ideals, I am sure.  Turns out their arrested development stage is over and they are ready to join the rest of us.  And "poor" mom is secretly delighted to have grandchildren. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Selling fear works.  Both sides of the political aisle know this and do their part.

Recently the leftists have been stoking up the fear factory.

[Bert 1,128]

42 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Selling fear works.  Both sides of the political aisle know this and do their part.

Recently the leftists have been stoking up the fear factory.

The catholic church mastered it 1000s of years ago.  There is much to learn from the most successful corporation in the world.

[Baker Boy 1,687]

The problem is that this should not be a Revolution, it should be and Evolution like it used to be. We we’re making great strides for decades. The Revolution wants to spend $1 trillion a year to reduce global warming less than 2 degrees Fahrenheit by the year 2100. A goal that can’t be proven.

[thegeneral 2,889]

This seems not good

“The water temperatures recorded Sunday and Monday would challenge the record for hottest sea surface temperature in the world. While official world water temperature records aren't kept, a 99.7 degree temperature recorded in Kuwait Bay is considered the world record at this time. Due to factors like proximity to land and the silty nature of the water, the temperatures recorded off Florida would have to go through an extensive verification process.”

[jerryskids 6,557]

38 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This seems not good

“The water temperatures recorded Sunday and Monday would challenge the record for hottest sea surface temperature in the world. While official world water temperature records aren't kept, a 99.7 degree temperature recorded in Kuwait Bay is considered the world record at this time. Due to factors like proximity to land and the silty nature of the water, the temperatures recorded off Florida would have to go through an extensive verification process.”

A buoy recorded that.  One?  I'll propose that it is not accurate.  My pool is 95 -- it's been 110+ highs here for weeks, and Phoenix is a big thermal heat sink these days, keeping the air temp around 100 as a low overnight.

I'm incredulous that somewhere out in the middle of the ocean has warmer water.

[thegeneral 2,889]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A buoy recorded that.  One?  I'll propose that it is not accurate.  My pool is 95 -- it's been 110+ highs here for weeks, and Phoenix is a big thermal heat sink these days, keeping the air temp around 100 as a low overnight.

I'm incredulous that somewhere out in the middle of the ocean has warmer water.

From the article: While the readings would've been considered a possible outlier or sensor error, surrounding buoys recorded similarly high temperatures, with 99.3 F at Murray Key and 98.4 F at Johnson Key.

This is nuts.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

48 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A buoy recorded that.  One?  I'll propose that it is not accurate.  My pool is 95 -- it's been 110+ highs here for weeks, and Phoenix is a big thermal heat sink these days, keeping the air temp around 100 as a low overnight.

I'm incredulous that somewhere out in the middle of the ocean has warmer water.

 

The buoy's have been reading 98+ for over a week, while this specific reading is high it is not incredibly out of the norm with recent water temp patterns.  We need a Hurricane asap to start lowering the water temperatures.

Where are all the people claiming global warming was going to cause massive hurricanes, because that is what is needed to drop the water temps.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

A buoy recorded that.  One?  I'll propose that it is not accurate.  My pool is 95 -- it's been 110+ highs here for weeks, and Phoenix is a big thermal heat sink these days, keeping the air temp around 100 as a low overnight.

I'm incredulous that somewhere out in the middle of the ocean has warmer water.

Dude humanity is going to be wiped out in the next hundred years or so, and you’re still playing the denial game??? Get real

[seafoam1 2,799]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Dude humanity is going to be wiped out in the next hundred years or so, and you’re still playing the denial game??? Get real

[seafoam1 2,799]

40 years ago Global Cooling!!!!

Today. Global Warming!!!

Tomorrow. It's getting cold again!!!!
 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

A buoy recorded that.  One?  I'll propose that it is not accurate.  My pool is 95 -- it's been 110+ highs here for weeks, and Phoenix is a big thermal heat sink these days, keeping the air temp around 100 as a low overnight.

I'm incredulous that somewhere out in the middle of the ocean has warmer water.

I REJECT DATA BECAUSE JUST LOOK AT MY POOL!@#$

 

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

When I was in college back in the early 90s, one of my friends was a biology major and he talked a lot about global warming and the gulf stream collapse, and once that happens in 30 to 50 years, then we're all focked.

It's happening.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w

Quote

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is a major tipping element in the climate system and a future collapse would have severe impacts on the climate in the North Atlantic region. In recent years weakening in circulation has been reported, but assessments by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), based on the Climate Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP) model simulations suggest that a full collapse is unlikely within the 21st century. Tipping to an undesired state in the climate is, however, a growing concern with increasing greenhouse gas concentrations. Predictions based on observations rely on detecting early-warning signals, primarily an increase in variance (loss of resilience) and increased autocorrelation (critical slowing down), which have recently been reported for the AMOC. Here we provide statistical significance and data-driven estimators for the time of tipping. We estimate a collapse of the AMOC to occur around mid-century under the current scenario of future emissions.

 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

11 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Dude humanity is going to be wiped out in the next hundred years or so, and you’re still playing the denial game??? Get real

 

Humanity will not be wiped out even in the worst case scenario. Our technology is evolving too fast, how could global warming possibly wipe out humanity?

We are already getting good at GMO food, we can make it even more heat resistant as we are just getting started, not just plants but also animals. The water issue is overblown, because while there may or may not be areas that have more droughts, the change in climate will make previously unlivable areas livable.

Even areas that are in droughts right now like the american west, the lack of water is not caused by people. Even if there is more of a drought in American west they could still support twice the people. The real cause of lack of water in this west is because we let foreign nations grow water intensive crops and use up our water. If we shifted the crops we grow in the west to crops that are designed to grow with little water the water crisis would solve itself. IIRC 70% of our water in the west goes to agriculture.

 

I am not saying we should not try to stop global warming, because it will have major negative effects like killing off many animals, coral reef's, etc. However humanity will be fine.

 

Point 2:

The high temperature's in the keys have been recorded before. this specific buoy that recorded the high temperature was back in a bay. These high water temperatures are caused by lack of water turnover, ie water stagnation.

The florida keys were hotter in 1972 and 1987, however this year the strong el nino is suppressing storms in the atlantic. What they really need to drop water temperature is a tropical depression/storm to turn water over from the deep and pull it into the shallows. However, this unlikely to come anytime soon due to the aforementioned el nino.

This is similar to the fish kill we had in June in Texas, everyone was blaming it on the heat, however it is warmer now than it was in June and we are not getting fish kills now. The difference is in June we had a week straight of less than 5 knot winds, now every day we are averaging 10-15 knot winds.

 

[jerryskids 6,557]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I REJECT DATA BECAUSE JUST LOOK AT MY POOL!@#$

 

 

That graph shows an 8 degree ocean temp increase in 3 days.  Do you believe the ocean temperature increased 8 degrees in 3 days?  If so, would you call that "climate change" or a short-term weather phenomenon?  Also, at that trajectory the ocean will boil in a few weeks, so we'll never hit that nuclear war Justin talks about.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

When I was in college back in the early 90s, one of my friends was a biology major and he talked a lot about global warming and the gulf stream collapse, and once that happens in 30 to 50 years, then we're all focked.

It's happening.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w

 

 

While i think that there is a likelihood of a collapse in the next few hundred years. I do not believe the modeling around it, even the scientists that did the modelling are unsure of the assumptions that go into the model.

 

https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/climate-change/gulf-stream-current-could-collapse-in-2025-plunging-earth-into-climate-chaos-we-were-actually-bewildered

Controversy over the predicted collapse

Oceanographers and climate experts have said that while the study provides a worrying warning, it comes with some big uncertainties. 

"If the statistics are robust and are a correct/relevant way to describe how the actual modern AMOC behaves, and the changes relate (solely) to changes in the AMOC, then this is a very concerning result," David Thornalley, a professor of ocean and climate science at University College London, told Live Science in an email. "But there are some really big unknowns and assumptions that need investigating before we have confidence in this result." 

Other climate scientists have gone so far as to pour cold water on the findings, suggesting it is "wholly unclear" that observed surface temperature evolution of AMOC can be linked to the strength of its circulation. 

"While the mathematics seem expertly done, the physical foundation is extremely shaky: It rests on the assumption that the collapse shown by simplified models correctly describes reality — but we simply do not know, and there is no serious discussion of these simplified models' shortcomings,'' Jochem Marotzke, a professor of climate science and the director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, told Live Science in an email. "Hence, while the paper might be a valid 'what if' exercise in time series analysis in a specialized journal, it falls way short of its self-proclaimed goal of estimating the evolution of the circulation solely from observations."

The researchers behind the new study say their next steps will be to update their model with data from the last three years, which should narrow their window for predicted collapse. 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

13 hours ago, thegeneral said:

This seems not good

“The water temperatures recorded Sunday and Monday would challenge the record for hottest sea surface temperature in the world. While official world water temperature records aren't kept, a 99.7 degree temperature recorded in Kuwait Bay is considered the world record at this time. Due to factors like proximity to land and the silty nature of the water, the temperatures recorded off Florida would have to go through an extensive verification process.”

The world is over 5 billion years old, there’s no way anyone can  know that.

[Baker Boy 1,687]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

When I was in college back in the early 90s, one of my friends was a biology major and he talked a lot about global warming and the gulf stream collapse, and once that happens in 30 to 50 years, then we're all focked.

It's happening.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w

 

That is like bill Nye, the mechanical engineer lecturing us on global warming.

[thegeneral 2,889]

15 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The world is over 5 billion years old, there’s no way anyone to know that.

Hottest measurements on record.

In any case probably everyone can agree it’s not a good thing to have the ocean at hot tub temp 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

24 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

When I was in college back in the early 90s, one of my friends was a biology major and he talked a lot about global warming and the gulf stream collapse, and once that happens in 30 to 50 years, then we're all focked.

It's happening.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w

 

 

It is difficult to find truly scientific articles related to the gulf stream, because when you try and google this subject you get many articles that are written by news sites and not scientific journals, however when you do manage to find an article written by a true scientific site they question the role that gulf stream plays in moderating winters in Europe. I spent 15 minutes looking and I cannot find a single scientific article explaining the climate in north america by region the last time there was no gulf stream.

Considering the scientific evidence contradicts the popular opinion of what is going to happen in europe I also have my doubts on what a gulf stream collapse would mean for north america.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-simulations-question-gulf-stream-role-tempering-europes-winters/

https://www.science.org/content/article/mild-winters-mostly-hot-air-not-gulf-stream

[Alias Detective 1,389]

25 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I REJECT DATA BECAUSE JUST LOOK AT MY POOL!@#$

 

 

Full STOP

BELIEVE the SCIENCE is woke again.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Hottest measurements on record.

In any case probably everyone can agree it’s not a good thing to have the ocean at hot tub temp 

Was in Emerald Isle NC last week.  The ocean water temp was glorious.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That graph shows an 8 degree ocean temp increase in 3 days.  Do you believe the ocean temperature increased 8 degrees in 3 days?  If so, would you call that "climate change" or a short-term weather phenomenon?  Also, at that trajectory the ocean will boil in a few weeks, so we'll never hit that nuclear war Justin talks about.

Yes, I believe in data and thermometers.  I know, that makes me a leftist.  Do I believe that 3 days is a timeframe to prove climate change?  Of course not.  Does this all time high prove climate change?  Of course not.

Also I see you got your graph reading skills from Bill Maher.  Hate to break it to you but he wasn't serious when he said everyone will be gay in a few years.

[thegeneral 2,889]

3 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Was in Emerald Isle NC last week.  The ocean water temp was glorious.

Also warmest recorded in Newfoundland. This is just a gift from God so people can swim! Thank you Jesus!

[seafoam1 2,799]

Global warming can't be stopped by humans? Great. Let's move on with our lives and let the Earth do what it's always done.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

And the sh!tlibs just eat whatever the leftist media and their globalist handlers feed them. You’re a bunch of muppets.

 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Hottest measurements on record.

In any case probably everyone can agree it’s not a good thing to have the ocean at hot tub temp 

It is not a good thing, the problem is we disagree on the causes. It is the green new deal that is driving up temperatures. As we remove the particulate matter generated by fossil fuels,  temperatures are increasing.  This particulate matter helps shield us from the sun. It has nothing to do with the .04% of CO2 in the atmosphere. The green new deal is about money and power, nothing else.

it appears the White House knows what I’m talking about.

 

• The White House offered measured support for the idea of studying how to block sunlight from hitting Earth’s surface as a way to limit global warming, in a congressionally mandated report that could help bring efforts once confined to science fiction into the realm of legitimate debate.

  White House cautiously opens the door to study blocking sun ... - P…

   

  www.politico.com/news/2023/07/01/white-house-cautiously-opens-door-to-study-blocking-s…
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[Baker Boy 1,687]

10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yes, I believe in data and thermometers.  I know, that makes me a leftist.  Do I believe that 3 days is a timeframe to prove climate change?  Of course not.  Does this all time high prove climate change?  Of course not.

Also I see you got your graph reading skills from Bill Maher.  Hate to break it to you but he wasn't serious when he said everyone will be gay in a few years.

Unfortunately, the data has been compromised.

[Baker Boy 1,687]

11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Also warmest recorded in Newfoundland. This is just a gift from God so people can swim! Thank you Jesus!

So you believe that man controls the temperature of the earth?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

So you believe that man controls the temperature of the earth?

bro doesn't believe in HVAC.

[thegeneral 2,889]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

So you believe that man controls the temperature of the earth?

Stuff we put in the atmosphere impacts the earth in a number of ways including climate, temp, etc.

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

So you believe that man controls the temperature of the earth?

 

I have a plan.....recently it arose that the earth was hotter than it had been in like 10,000 years or something for a few days.  So.....all we have to do is fifure out how humans fixed global temps back then and do it again today.  Problem solved.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

People never discuss the actual reason that temperatures are rising and until they do it’s all a scam

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

I have a plan.....recently it arose that the earth was hotter than it had been in like 10,000 years or something for a few days.  So.....all we have to do is fifure out how humans fixed global temps back then and do it again today.  Problem solved.

Excellent idea!! I applaud this. Biden should get on it. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

People never discuss the actual reason that temperatures are rising and until they do it’s all a scam

What's the actual reason?

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

People never discuss the actual reason that temperatures are rising and until they do it’s all a scam

You don't need the who or the why, you just need to hear the word 'science' and fall in line.

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

What's the actual reason?

It's what the earth has done since it's existence. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

You don't need the who or the why, you just need to hear the word 'science' and fall in line.

Hopefull this "science" is not the  Marc Tessier-Lavigne kind of "science"

[Strike 5,185]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What's the actual reason?

Cow farts

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Hopefull this "science" is not the  Marc Tessier-Lavigne kind of "science"

At my job, on one project they brought on a new hire dude that just graduated from Stanford and put him on my team.  Dude was sharp mentally as can be. But he was so focking brainwashed on social matters it was scary. Black dude. All about racism and global warming. Just out of his mind.