Bienemy

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

So we have heard what a shame it is this guy hasn’t been hired as a head coach for a few years now.  Media pumping him up constantly. Now that KC is struggling, shouldn’t we be hearing some criticism of him? Lol. 

[wiffleball 4,789]

See, I thought this was some kind of thread about non-politically correct people who oppose bisexuals. 

[DonS 3,292]

31 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

See, I thought this was some kind of thread about non-politically correct people who oppose bisexuals. 

[Thornton Melon 618]

32 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

See, I thought this was some kind of thread about non-politically correct people who oppose bisexuals. 

I thought you were sleeping with him

[Frozenbeernuts 2,236]

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So we have heard what a shame it is this guy hasn’t been hired as a head coach for a few years now.  Media pumping him up constantly. Now that KC is struggling, shouldn’t we be hearing some criticism of him? Lol. 

My lib friends struck again with this one. Its racism!!

The hiring of an OC or QB coach just because they worked closely within proximity of a great QBs jock does not qualify them to be a head coach. Its mind numbing. Because no one has hired one of the black coaches who do not deserve a head coaching gig, it's racist.

[wiffleball 4,789]

15 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

I thought you were sleeping with him

Oh I'm sure that's going to be the next reality show:

 

Sleeping with Bienemy. 

[TimHauck 2,728]

Titans game was bad, but they have scored 20+ points in every other game, 24+ points in 5 of their 8 games, and 30+ points in 4 of their 8 games.  I don’t follow the Chiefs that closely but seems like their defense is a bigger issue than the offense.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Titans game was bad, but they have scored 20+ points in every other game, 24+ points in 5 of their 8 games, and 30+ points in 4 of their 8 games.  I don’t follow the Chiefs that closely but seems like their defense is a bigger issue than the offense.

No, you don’t. Like most stat nerds, you just go by the stats. Their biggest problem is turnovers and the quarterback forcing the big play. Defenses have taken that away.  

[TimHauck 2,728]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, you don’t. Like most stat nerds, you just go by the stats. Their biggest problem is turnovers and the quarterback forcing the big play. Defenses have taken that away.  

Over 60% of their turnovers have been in opposing territory.  (10 of 17 from this article and 2 of 2 from last week -  https://arrowheadaddict.com/2021/10/27/a-bizarre-fact-kansas-city-chiefs-17-turnovers/). So it’s not like they’re giving their opponents tons of free points

[jerryskids 6,731]

Slightly related, but during the last Giants game they showed a black assistant coach on the sidelines.  I wasn’t listening but I saw on the bottom banner “college:  Yale.”  It struck me that you don’t often see a coach’s alma mater, I wonder why they did it in this case?   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Slightly related, but during the last Giants game they showed a black assistant coach on the sidelines.  I wasn’t listening but I saw on the bottom banner “college:  Yale.”  It struck me that you don’t often see a coach’s alma mater, I wonder why they did it in this case?   

Patrick Graham. Yeah, they remind us all the time. Jason Garrett went to Princeton.  2-6.  

[Brad GLuckman 519]

How many times do we need to see that the players matter more than the coach in a lot of these situations. Is Bienemy a great coordinator or coach? Who knows? He has the best QB In the league and he's running another guys offense. Was Adam Gase a good coach? Saleh's defense suddenly sucks. Quinn never had a good defense in ATL but his defense is good again in Dallas. I think these organizations need to start targeting leaders more than coordinators.

[TimHauck 2,728]

4-0 since this thread was started

[listen2me 23 1,854]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

4-0 since this thread was started

Factually correct.  Chiefs offense had 13 pts last night.  Their defense and spt had 9.  

They had 19 pts the week prior. 

Not exactly tearing it up with "the best qb in football"

[TimHauck 2,728]

36 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Factually correct.  Chiefs offense had 13 pts last night.  Their defense and spt had 9.  

They had 19 pts the week prior. 

Not exactly tearing it up with "the best qb in football"

41 the week before that

[Brad GLuckman 519]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

41 the week before that

There is something wrong with the Chiefs offense, even though they are winning. Teams are playing cover2 and forcing the to be patient and KC has not adjusted.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

4-0 since this thread was started

So? He’s the alleged offensive coordinator. Are you this desperate? Spagnulos defense  is carrying them. Maybe watch a game once in a while, dork. They scored a whopping 19 against Dallas and 13 against a Packers less Rodgers. Go back to football guys with your non football knowledge 

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

Over the first 4 weeks of the season, the Chiefs scored at least 24 points in each game and averaged 33.5 ppg.  Since then, they've averaged 21.2 points per game.  That's about a 45% drop in performance.  If you take them in quarters, Q1 = 33.5 ppg, Q2 = 18.5 ppg, and Q3 = 23.8 ppg.  At the time this thread was made, it was a valid argument.  Today, it's still valid as their last 4 games are still 34% down from the first 4, even though they're up 25% from the low point.

Last year they averaged 29.6 ppg and in the prior year, they averaged 28.2 ppg.  Right now, KC is at 25.3 ppg, it's a drop of 15% from last year.  If you take their last 8 games (21.2 ppg), we're looking at 33% drop.  It's clear, that KC offense isn't as potent.  The NFL, as a league, is averaging 23 ppg.  If the Chiefs are averaging 21.2 over their last 8 games, then they're clearly below the league average.  It's a viable point/criticism, regardless of their record.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Over the first 4 weeks of the season, the Chiefs scored at least 24 points in each game and averaged 33.5 ppg.  Since then, they've averaged 21.2 points per game.  That's about a 45% drop in performance.  If you take them in quarters, Q1 = 33.5 ppg, Q2 = 18.5 ppg, and Q3 = 23.8 ppg.  At the time this thread was made, it was a valid argument.  Today, it's still valid as their last 4 games are still 34% down from the first 4, even though they're up 25% from the low point.

Last year they averaged 29.6 ppg and in the prior year, they averaged 28.2 ppg.  Right now, KC is at 25.3 ppg, it's a drop of 15% from last year.  If you take their last 8 games (21.2 ppg), we're looking at 33% drop.  It's clear, that KC offense isn't as potent.  The NFL, as a league, is averaging 23 ppg.  If the Chiefs are averaging 21.2 over their last 8 games, then they're clearly below the league average.  It's a viable point/criticism, regardless of their record.

Average? Really? They put up 41 against the Raiders. Now do the other games. Stat geeks are the worst. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

40 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Average? Really? They put up 41 against the Raiders. Now do the other games. Stat geeks are the worst. 

They also have a 3.  If they're averaging 21 ppg and in the mix have a 41 and 3... would you say that's representative?

Their last 8 games are...  20, 31, 3, 20, 13, 41, 19, 22.  I'd say the "average" is fair.

When the Chief's had a spike (41 or 31), they had a regression (3 or 13), in the end... it all balances out.  Their other 4 games are 19, 20, 20, & 22.  In fact, there's other evidence that points to the 41 being more of an anomaly than getting back to their old way.  In the first 4 games, Mahomes had 14 TD's... since then, he's had 11 - of which, 5 were in that 41 point game.  In the other 7, he totaled only 6.  Mahomes only has 1 game where he threw for 400 yards... it was that game.  The Chiefs have only 1 game with 500 total yards.  It was that game.

I'm guessing you don't like stat geeks because they prove you wrong too many times?  

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

Hardcore troubadour trying desperately to be right at anything and failing miserably.

Try tic-tac-toe or something next. You might be able to figure out putting 3 "x's" or "o's" in a row

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

39 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

They also have a 3.  If they're averaging 21 ppg and in the mix have a 41 and 3... would you say that's representative?

Their last 8 games are...  20, 31, 3, 20, 13, 41, 19, 22.  I'd say the "average" is fair.

When the Chief's had a spike (41 or 31), they had a regression (3 or 13), in the end... it all balances out.  Their other 4 games are 19, 20, 20, & 22.  In fact, there's other evidence that points to the 41 being more of an anomaly than getting back to their old way.  In the first 4 games, Mahomes had 14 TD's... since then, he's had 11 - of which, 5 were in that 41 point game.  In the other 7, he totaled only 6.  Mahomes only has 1 game where he threw for 400 yards... it was that game.  The Chiefs have only 1 game with 500 total yards.  It was that game.

I'm guessing you don't like stat geeks because they prove you wrong too many times?  

Now take out the defensive score. Six scores 20 and below is terrible. Good thing they won. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now take out the defensive score. Six scores 20 and below is terrible. Good thing they won. 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Mahomes has been solved.  At least to the point that one can solve him.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now take out the defensive score. Six scores 20 and below is terrible. Good thing they won. 

The Chiefs only have 2 defensive scores this season.  I don't really think they're a big impact.  Only one came in the first 4 weeks (when they were scoring a lot of points), and the other one on Sunday.

I agree with you.  I'm not sure why you're debating with me.  I said that the argument that the offense was struggling was a valid argument.  I said the 41 point game was the anomaly because that game has a lot of attributes that happened in only that one game all year and/or over the last 8.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

The comment was about the last four games. I said the 41 skews it, because it does. It’s double of any of the other 3. You decided to go back further. Stat geeks suck. 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The comment was about the last four games. I said the 41 skews it, because it does. It’s double of any of the other 3. You decided to go back further. Stat geeks suck. 

But you need to be fair... the 3 point game is an anomaly as well.  Give and take.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

21 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

But you need to be fair... the 3 point game is an anomaly as well.  Give and take.

Fine. Take out the 41 and the 3. I’m right. The offense is poor.  Only in the GC. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

23 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

But you need to be fair... the 3 point game is an anomaly as well.  Give and take.

Fine. Take out the 41 and the 3. I’m right. The offense is poor.  Only in the GC. 3 out of 4 games under par is much more indicative of poor offensive performances than the average score. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

He has been the OC for a few years now, I would give him the benefit of the doubt based on the past success. Almost every team in the NFL every year has bad stretches no matter how good they are.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

1 minute ago, MTSkiBum said:

He has been the OC for a few years now, I would give him the benefit of the doubt based on the past success. Almost every team in the NFL every year has bad stretches no matter how good they are.

If he gets to share the credit when it’s good, he can share the credit when it’s bad. He doesn’t. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fine. Take out the 41 and the 3. I’m right. The offense is poor.  Only in the GC. 

 

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fine. Take out the 41 and the 3. I’m right. The offense is poor.  Only in the GC. 3 out of 4 games under par is much more indicative of poor offensive performances than the average score. 

It's funny, I don't think I've even been in a conversation where I agreed with someone... backed up their argument with data, and got attacked by that same person.  

[nospk 230]

If you post the same comments twice and then quote yourself it counts for a  triple score

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

27 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

It's funny, I don't think I've even been in a conversation where I agreed with someone... backed up their argument with data, and got attacked by that same person.  

I don’t know what the Fock is going on. I’m distracted. But I know I’m right! 

[edjr 6,580]

Eric Sleeping With Bienemy - One of the greatest bermansims of all time

[TimHauck 2,728]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now take out the defensive score. Six scores 20 and below is terrible. Good thing they won. 

According to NFL.com, they are tied for 10th in offensive TD's, 6th in passing yards, 7th in passing TD's, 19th in rushing yards and 22nd in rushing TD's.  No, I haven't really watched any Chiefs games but it looks like a lot of their woes are due to their rushing game, likely impacted by CEH being out for awhile.

But regardless of the stats, they are 8-4 and in first place.   If this is terrible for Bienemy, then he probably does deserve a HC job.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

According to NFL.com, they are tied for 10th in offensive TD's, 6th in passing yards, 7th in passing TD's, 19th in rushing yards and 22nd in rushing TD's.  No, I haven't really watched any Chiefs games but it looks like a lot of their woes are due to their rushing game, likely impacted by CEH being out for awhile.

But regardless of the stats, they are 8-4 and in first place.   If this is terrible for Bienemy, then he probably does deserve a HC job.

You say they are 4-0 since I said this. What does that have to do with the amount of points they have scored? They could have won every game 3-0. You’re just stupid with your non-sequiturs. It’s your MO. 

[TimHauck 2,728]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You say they are 4-0 since I said this. What does that have to do with the amount of points they have scored? They could have won every game 3-0. You’re just stupid with your non-sequiturs. It’s your MO. 

And they were 4-4 when you posted this.  If that's "struggling" as per your OP, then he must be pretty good.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

 

The Chiefs have the #2 offensive line in the league as ranked by PFF.

 

2. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (Up 6)

Best-graded: C Creed Humphrey | 90.4

Worst-graded: T Mike Remmers | 64.5

Kansas City's offense is struggling and doesn't look anything like the high-flying, explosive enterprise it has been since Patrick Mahomes entered the lineup. But the problems aren’t with the offensive line, which has actually been better than a season ago despite a complete overhaul. Rookies Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith have been the unit's best-graded players, and no individual player has been getting consistently taken to pieces. Right tackle Lucas Niang is the biggest weakness thus far, and even he has allowed just one sack all season.

 

 

Edit, for what it is worth Cowboys have #1, giants are #31.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And they were 4-4 when you posted this.  If that's "struggling" as per your OP, then he must be pretty good.

He’s the OC. He has nothing to do with the defense or special teams. So, knowing that, we judge him on the offense. How’s it going?