Failure of the public education system

[lod001 1,344]

There is no failure of the system. it's by design. You dumb down everyone and they will have to do what the govt tells them. in fact odds are they gladly will, especially if a carrot is dangled in front of them..

[TBayXXXVII 2,533]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Of course they do.  The whole thing is a mess right now.

It got that way when the education system told parents that teachers/educators, know how to better raise their kids than they do.

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It got that way when the education system told parents that teachers/educators, know how to better raise their kids than they do.

Dumbest post ever.  

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49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I know it’s a few bad parents that cause the trouble.  At least in most schools, not those ghetto child care facilities posing as schools. Just like it’s a few bad students. Stop acting like it’s Class of 84 out there. 

Nice reference.  Michael j shakes with a bowl cut

[TBayXXXVII 2,533]

4 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Dumbest post ever.  

Truth hurts?  Parents have always been giant pain in the azzes, forever.  Still, things went on just fine.  When did things become a mess?  Parents didn't change... something must have.

[Fireballer 2,641]

4 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Dumbest post ever.  

If your biology teacher friend feels like they need to answer every students' question about gender ideology instead of staying on topic, then @TBayXXXVII is on point.

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

If your biology teacher friend feels like they need to answer every students' question about gender ideology instead of staying on topic, then @TBayXXXVII is on point.

As a teacher, what would you do?  When did I say anything about ideology?  She was doing a genetics lab on traits.

[TBayXXXVII 2,533]

1 minute ago, Cloaca du jour said:

As a teacher, what would you do?

TEACH YOUR SUBJECT!  Biology NEVER changed, "social science" did.  There are TWO genders.  You teach that and say "if you have other questions, ask your parents".  It's not that hard.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

TEACH YOUR SUBJECT!  Biology NEVER changed, "social science" did.  There are TWO genders.  You teach that and say "if you have other questions, ask your parents".  It's not that hard.

Actually biology has changed.  We've learned a lot the past 30 years

[Baker Boy 1,694]

I find it odd that the teachers on this board are here every day during school hours.

[Fireballer 2,641]

12 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

As a teacher, what would you do?  When did I say anything about ideology?  She was doing a genetics lab on traits.

Your original quote is below.  What exactly were you insinuating? It appears when you said "kids start asking questions...what does the teacher do?" you were conveying that the teacher had the inability to stay on the subject of science and delve into the societal side of gender.  Am I wrong?  It kinda seemed like a silly question.  I mean, what teacher doesn't have the ability to stay on the subject unless they actually wanted to deviate from it?

 

 

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

9 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I find it odd that the teachers on this board are here every day during school hours.

People went from being cdc specialists to education masters.

[TBayXXXVII 2,533]

13 minutes ago, vomit said:

Actually biology has changed.  We've learned a lot the past 30 years

On the number of genders?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

38 minutes ago, vomit said:

Nice reference.  Michael j shakes with a bowl cut

Thank you. Someone got it 

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45 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Thank you. Someone got it 

It's crazy you said that because I actually watched that movie today.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

16 minutes ago, vomit said:

It's crazy you said that because I actually watched that movie today.

No way. Did it hold up? It was stupid but entertaining back then. There were only so many movies at the video store. 

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25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No way. Did it hold up? It was stupid but entertaining back then. There were only so many movies at the video store. 

Not really.  I was looking for 80s horror movies on crackle and saw it, fired it up.

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Well damn, at least we now know where the fault lies for sh!tty public schools.

More often than not...yup. Of course there are bad schools, but lots of them are fighting losing battles with the surrounding culture. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

3 minutes ago, vomit said:

Not really.  I was looking for 80s horror movies on crackle and saw it, fired it up.

Perry King was gonna be a big movie star at one time. 

[Fireballer 2,641]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

More often than not...yup. Of course there are bad schools, but lots of them are fighting losing battles with the surrounding culture. 

So now I see why the left is for government taking over parenting.  Parents suck in widespread fashion.

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

So now I see why the left is for government taking over parenting.  Parents suck in widespread fashion.

You work in a school?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You work in a school?

I pay for them.  

[Fireballer 2,641]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You work in a school?

Are you really going down the "parents are the bane of your existence" rabbit hole again?  Did parents institute restorative justice and disciplinary leniency in schools?  That seems to be the point of contention today.

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Are you really going down the "parents are the bane of your existence" rabbit hole again?  Did parents institute restorative justice and disciplinary leniency in schools?  That seems to be the point of contention today.

That didn't answer my question.

[Fireballer 2,641]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

That didn't answer my question.

It was a stupid question.  You know the answer

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

Just now, Fireballer said:

It was a stupid question.  You know the answer

It's a simple yes/no question. 

[Fireballer 2,641]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

It's a simple yes/no question. 

Yes it is, that you know the answer to.  You're just being obtuse because you wanna launch your next post of of my answer. 

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

Just now, Fireballer said:

Yes it is, that you know the answer to.  You're just being obtuse because you wanna launch your next post of of my answer. 

I don't know the answer. What do you do for a living?

[Fireballer 2,641]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't know the answer. What do you do for a living?

I have the honor of leading a Battalion of men and who run into burning buildings.  We are both public servants Mooney, and if my men every talked about the people who pay their salary, like you talk about parents, I'd place disciplinary charges on them immediately. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

Parents are the bane of schools.  Imagine coaching kids today...its basically like that only worse.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

4 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Parents are the bane of schools.  Imagine coaching kids today...its basically like that only worse.

I get along with all the staff and administrators at my kids school.  Couldn’t be happier. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I get along with all the staff and administrators at my kids school.  Couldn’t be happier. 

You are superman...we get it.  Glad you are happy!!  Try some place where avg income is less than 50k and your 2500 in property taxes makes you majority share holder.

[Utilit99 4,099]

16 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Parents Liberal teachers and liberal teachers are the bane of schools.  Imagine coaching kids today...its basically like that only worse.

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I have the honor of leading a Battalion of men and who run into burning buildings.  We are both public servants Mooney, and if my men every talked about the people who pay their salary, like you talk about parents, I'd place disciplinary charges on them immediately. 

Ah...so the name has real meaning? Cool. First off, appreciate what you do for a living. Honestly. 

Secondly, one could easily assume you know far more about firefighting than I do. Likewise- it is a fair assumption I know far more about the construct of teaching than you do.

Thirdly, I was speaking about parents in a general sense. You (mostly building off of HT's stupidity) took that to mean every parent. Of course it isn't every parent and I never said that. There are many good parents out there doing good work with kids. And guess what? You never hear from those parents. You never see those parents. Because their kids are rocking everything and high achieving and kicking in doors. The problem comes with all those kids who have no parental figures at home. Or the ones who are acting as parental figures. Or the parents who are far more concerned being friends with their kids than parents. Those- more often than not- are the kids pulling 60% and lower in class, never turning assignments in on time, being blatantly belligerent to teachers. When you try to punish them those are the parents who storm into the school screaming about "picking on their kid." Also, those are the parents who know every loophole in the system, who know how to run things up the chain and rattle cages. Those are the ones who kick and scream and bring action and get their way. And that number is growing. If you are in schools you see how those numbers are changing and increasing in every way. Also, as a case in point, discipline issues are up in many schools this year as we have kids back in buildings full time for the first time in 2 years and the system has broken down. 

Fourthly, as to your comments on "restorative criticism" a big reason of why they came about was because schools wanted to have a way to handle conflicts in school that gave them a few steps ahead of the advocacy process that parents jump on. For example, trying to hold groups accountable for conflict. But still- you run into issues with parents kicking up hornet's nests.

Lastly, good for you that you'd  "place people on disciplinary charges." I'm always respectful to parents when talking them despite what I may know their feelings for me are. I've been screamed at for giving kids an "F" when they did nothing. I've been browbeaten and insulted for not giving students an extra day to turn in schoolwork despite clearly outlining for students 2 weeks prior when it was due. And every time, I smile- listen to their concerns and move on with my life. And if you want to pretend like you, or your men, have never said a bad thing about any of the people who "pay your salary" I've got a bridge you can buy.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

The reason it sucks and is failing? mooney is a good example. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

17 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

You are superman...we get it.  Glad you are happy!!  Try some place where avg income is less than 50k and your 2500 in property taxes makes you majority share holder.

I worked for twenty years where the economic, education and health indicators were about the same as a third world country. Males 18-49 had a 40 pct unemployment rate. Infant mortality was the worst in the United States. And people in housing projects and section 8/ low income housing don’t pay property tax. Or any other tax. What were you saying again? 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I worked for twenty years where the economic, education and health indicators were about the same as a third world country. Males 18-49 had a 40 pct unemployment rate. Infant mortality was the worst in the United States. And people in housing projects and section 8/ low income housing don’t pay property tax. Or any other tax. What were you saying again? 

Superman!!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

3 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Superman!!

No. But you and Mooney can stop acting like suburban schools are some sort of dystopian landscape and parents just won’t let teachers do their jobs. Some of us have real experience dealing with the ills of society. Whining parents doesn’t rate. Sorry. 

[Sean Mooney 1,979]

5 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Superman!!

He's a clown. Has zero clue about anything other than typing inane ramblings into a keyboard. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,314]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He's a clown. Has zero clue about anything other than typing inane ramblings into a keyboard. 

Uh huh. Just you Mooney, braving it out everyday in the halls of hell. Don’t let those parents that care about their kids education and well being get to you. What do they know?