Saudi Golf Tour

[KSB2424 3,148]

Nobody respects these guys. Not Jack, nor Gary, or Tiger.  Not Davis, nor Rory or Thomas.  Arnie is rolling in his grave.  
 

We’ve passed the funny phase, now it’s just sad.

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

You’re so out of touch with reality it hurts  

[KSB2424 3,148]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

You’re so out of touch with reality it hurts  

Wait, you’re trying to sell me that a 54 hole tournament with no cut and shotgun starts with ghey azz “teams” is the future of PROFESSIONAL golf?  
 

JFC.  I’m dead.  Nobody respects it dude, All the greats laugh at it.  

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

30 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Wait, you’re trying to sell me that a 54 hole tournament with no cut and shotgun starts with ghey azz “teams” is the future of PROFESSIONAL golf?  
 

JFC.  I’m dead.  Nobody respects it dude, All the greats laugh at it.  

Never said it was the future of professional golf but you literally ignore all of the changes it’s already forced the PGA to make. You act like it has zero merit while numerous big names players have gone over. 
 

Gary player, whom i respect tremendously has had a very neutral take on it. 
 

Even if it’s gone by 2024, it’s already changed golf (pga tour) for the better. And I’d still be willing to make a sig bet or any other bet with you that it’s still going by 2025. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

52 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Gary player, whom i respect tremendously has had a very neutral take on it. 

 

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In an interview with BBC 5 radio, Player said there’s “no chance” LIV Golf could overtake the PGA Tour as the top circuit in pro golf and also criticized its format — and the league’s players.

“What sort of tour is that? Fifty-four holes, no cut, a team event nobody understands,” Player said. “It’s a tour for people who don’t have confidence in their future. They don’t have the confidence they can be winners.”

 

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“I wouldn’t take a billion dollars for my nine majors on both tours,” Player said. “I worked hard. I had desire. I traveled the world. It was an education, I met wonderful people. How can you ever be a champion playing a tour with 54 holes and no cut?”

On Cam Smith going LIV

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“Will he be able to realize this great dream of being a champion? I don’t know,” Player said. “I don’t blame [Henrik] Stenson for going. He had no money, so he had to go. But this is a potential superstar. I think his advisors have given him the wrong advice.”

 

[Cruzer 1,995]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Nobody respects these guys. Not Jack, nor Gary, or Tiger.  Not Davis, nor Rory or Thomas.  Arnie is rolling in his grave.  

Bcoz these guys sit up at night, restless, tossing and turning losing sleep bcoz Jack and Gary don't respect them - guys they never saw play and only ever saw on video? Losing sleep over Rory and JT not respecting them? And losing sleep over TW, the King of appearance fee money, the king of getting paid whether he made a cut or not, the guy so despicable he got caught focking whores all over the globe, totally shiiting on the sanctity of his marriage and dragging his kids thru the most shameful and embarrassing moments of their lives..................................................................these guys are worried about being respected by them? 

[Cruzer 1,995]

LIV to allow players to wear shorts during comp...... Another draw for guys on the fence. 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

2 hours ago, Cruzer said:

LIV to allow players to wear shorts during comp...... Another draw for guys on the fence. 

 

Are you serious with this?  

Y’all out here trying to sell AMWAY.  I have more respect for door to door vacuum cleaner salesman.

[KSB2424 3,148]

2 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Bcoz these guys sit up at night, restless, tossing and turning losing sleep bcoz Jack and Gary don't respect them - guys they never saw play and only ever saw on video? Losing sleep over Rory and JT not respecting them? And losing sleep over TW, the King of appearance fee money, the king of getting paid whether he made a cut or not, the guy so despicable he got caught focking whores all over the globe, totally shiiting on the sanctity of his marriage and dragging his kids thru the most shameful and embarrassing moments of their lives..................................................................these guys are worried about being respected by them? 

What an embarrassing post.  Wow 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

LIV is going to become golf for the regular Joe.  The snobby elites will defend the PGA to the end. 
 

@KSB2424

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

What an embarrassing post.  Wow 

. You're a wh0re for the PGA, we get it. The rest of us don't much care where professional golfers play golf.  Doesn't affect my life one bit. 

And worrying about what dead Arnie might think.

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

11 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

 

On Cam Smith going LIV

 

Yeah i meant neutral as in he didn’t blast the older guys taking the money. At the same time he was critical of cam smith and also said he would never have gone to LIV if it existed in his time. To me that’s neutral. His opinions are thought out and logical and not just “ omg, LIV?!? Y’all funny”

 

[Cruzer 1,995]

21 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

What an embarrassing post.  Wow 

So - no real comment, just like you continue to dodge the $100m PIP bamboozle and Top Golf antics of your hero. 

I agree, an embarrassment.

[Cruzer 1,995]

21 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Are you serious with this?  

Y’all out here trying to sell AMWAY.  I have more respect for door to door vacuum cleaner salesman.

The fact you continue to think I support (or am selling LIV) says more about you than me. 

JustinCharge has competition. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

14 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

LIV is going to become golf for the regular Joe.  The snobby elites will defend the PGA to the end. 
 

@KSB2424

There's plenty enuff room on this planet, and in the golf world, for both. 

 

[edjr 6,578]

LIV was here in Maskachusetts this weekend.  About an hour from me.

Didn't even consider going as I hate professional golf in person. Could we get a 25 second shot clock like tennis?

[Reality 3,099]

Have the PGA tour players publicly thanked the LIV tour players yet? If not, what's taking so long?

[edjr 6,578]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

Have the PGA tour players publicly thanked the LIV tour players yet? If not, what's taking so long?

Fear of being banned

[taco breath 424]

LIV is going to allow its players to openly smoke cannabis.  

another draw.  

[Cruzer 1,995]

14 hours ago, Reality said:

Have the PGA tour players publicly thanked the LIV tour players yet? If not, what's taking so long?

They don't dare - would prove once and for all their "it's not about the money" chant is nothing but a total load of bullshiit. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

TPC Sawgrass bans Past Champion Cam Smith and takes his champion's parking spot.   

Removing his privileges is understandable.  But taking his parking spot?  He is past champion, like it or not.  

Report: Cameron Smith Has TPC Sawgrass Privileges Revoked (msn.com)

 

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

They are more full blown tilt than craftsman

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

TPC Sawgrass bans Past Champion Cam Smith and takes his champion's parking spot.   

Removing his privileges is understandable.  But taking his parking spot?  He is past champion, like it or not.  

Report: Cameron Smith Has TPC Sawgrass Privileges Revoked (msn.com)

 

TPC courses are a network with the PGA Tour. Cam Smith voluntarily left to play on a different Tour for hundreds of millions of dollars.  Therefore he is no longer a PGA Tour member and forfeits all rights at TPC courses.   These guys want their cake and eat it too.

If you won your local clubs Member / Member last year but stopped paying your golf dues, you will not be eligible for this years Members only tournaments bubba.    That’s how it works.  

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

44 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

TPC courses are a network with the PGA Tour. Cam Smith voluntarily left to play on a different Tour for hundreds of millions of dollars.  Therefore he is no longer a PGA Tour member and forfeits all rights at TPC courses.   These guys want their cake and eat it too.

If you won your local clubs Member / Member last year but stopped paying your golf dues, you will not be eligible for this years Members only tournaments bubba.    That’s how it works.  

Cam Smith voluntarily left but his PGA tour membership is only no longer valid because the PGA has decided to ban players who go to LIV. Without that reaction by the PGA, his membership would be fine. Remember, some players gave up their memberships, some were/are fighting to be able to keep them.

 For a very long time, PGA members were allowed to play in Euro (now DP World Tour) events with no penalties or loss of membership. The Euro Tour was NOT part of the PGA. Only recently did the PGA enter into an agreement with them and the PGA now has a stake in the Euro Tour. Even with their recent decision to stand united together and strengthen their strategic partnership, they are still 2 separate entities.... so why did the PGA never care that it's players were participating in Euro events? Ahhh... because Euro players were coming to the PGA as well.... and in many cases top Euro players were starting to play more PGA events, take up residence in the US, etc... The PGA didn't see the Euro tour as a threat, it actually saw it as an opportunity to get even more talent. 

There is literally no reason that LIV can't simply function as another golf tour. LIV is not telling it's players that they can't play other tours. Yes, they have contractual obligations for what will be 14 events but LIV is not stopping them from playing elsewhere. It's the PGA being scared, spiteful, etc. and deciding to take these steps. Sure they can do that if they want but they come off looking like the babies when they are trying to paint the LIV guys as the money hungry babies. So a guy like Phil, who outside of Tiger has probably generated the most $$ for PGA coffers, earns a lifetime membership and that actually means nothing because the PGA got butthurt and took it away 

[KSB2424 3,148]

16 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

There is literally no reason that LIV can't simply function as another golf tour. 

With all do respect this is very ignorant, at the very least just lazy.  Quick math lesson:  There are but so many weeks in a year.  

Most every LIV Golfer has said the #1 reason they left (besides money of course) is the schedule, the lesser events to play the more "time" at home or on vacation or whatever.  These guys want as much money as they can whilst playing as little as possible.  LIV Golfers want to fulfill their blood money obligations with LIV,  play in the PGA Majors, maybe a Players or one more event and that is it.  They want OWGR rankings somehow while playing in a totally different environment (54 holes, no cut, etc.) as if that is remotely comparable to the other tours.  

 The PGA saw this, and had to either 1). Be decisive and harsh or 2).act like this LIV Tour is just another golf tour (its not, it has unlimited money because of Saudi gov't backing) and see it pilfered like a NIKE Store during a BLM protest.  

This is big boy decisions.  You can't have your cake and eat it all too.  

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

16 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

With all do respect this is very ignorant, at the very least just lazy.  Quick math lesson:  There are but so many weeks in a year.  

Most every LIV Golfer has said the #1 reason they left (besides money of course) is the schedule, the lesser events to play the more "time" at home or on vacation or whatever.  These guys want as much money as they can whilst playing as little as possible.  LIV Golfers want to fulfill their blood money obligations with LIV,  play in the PGA Majors, maybe a Players or one more event and that is it.  They want OWGR rankings somehow while playing in a totally different environment (54 holes, no cut, etc.) as if that is remotely comparable to the other tours.  

 The PGA saw this, and had to either 1). Be decisive and harsh or 2).act like this LIV Tour is just another golf tour (its not, it has unlimited money because of Saudi gov't backing) and see it pilfered like a NIKE Store during a BLM protest.  

This is big boy decisions.  You can't have your cake and eat it all too.  

Where do you get ignorant and lazy? I would say it's ignorant to ignore the fact that the PGA has no issues coexisting with the DP World Tour but LIV is an issue? Gee, I wonder why...

I NEVER stated that all the LIV guys would choose to play a bunch of extra PGA Tour events. That was never part of my post. I simply said that LIV golf is not telling it's players they can't play elsewhere. It's the PGA Tour who has the need to tell it's players that.

You're so fixated on the 3 round no cut format... you know the Dell Match Play awards world ranking points right? You know the Barracuda (modified stableford scoring) awards world ranking points, right?.. Look, I get it. I'd rather see LIV be 4 rounds with cuts because that's how I grew up watching golf.... but that is part of the issue. Things change. Despite the fact that you continually want to paint Cruzer and myself as LIV guys, I am a PGA Tour fan first. I just happen to understand that something new with a different format doesn't automatically make it dismissible. Remember when everyone thought the FedEx Cup was a joke? Now you likely can't imagine golf without it. The PGA Tour likes to beat the drums about history and prestige but when you've been the only game in town for so long, it's easy to have a monopoly on all the history and prestige. 

You act like the PGA Tour doesn't have a trove of funds available to it  Where did a lot of the new money they are magically pumping into the tour come from? Oh, right, their reserves they claimed they didn't have. Phil was right the whole time. You also ignore the fact that the LPGA (part of the PGA) has a partnership with the women's Euro Tour and the Saudi Aramco series. ... but let's ignore that because it doesn't play into your narrative that   "LIV dirty, PGA clean!"

[TimmySmith 2,782]

The PGA is asserting a monopoly on professional golf. Period. Some agree with their right to do this, some don't.  There is no other argument, despite the lame regurgitation of PGA lies. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

My old Geek Club golf buddies would’ve had an Official 2022 Presidents Cup thread by now. 

Instead we are talking about an “L.I.V. Tour” backed by the Saudi Government and headed by one of the biggest chokers in golf history. And you guys are buying this nonsense.  I’m not even mad,  I’m just disappointed.

[KSB2424 3,148]

11 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

The PGA is asserting a monopoly on professional golf. Period. Some agree with their right to do this, some don't.  There is no other argument, despite the lame regurgitation of PGA lies. 

NFL, MLB, NHL, hell the PBA (Pro Bowlers Association  ) all say “Hello Timmy!”  
 

ETA: Also pretty sure it’s frowned upon to work BOTH for Nike and Adidas at the same time.  Or Verizon and AT&T.   
 

ETAA:  Hell, in my own little piddly career I’ve signed two NDA’s that I wouldn’t go to a competitor.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

7 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

NFL, MLB, NHL, hell the PBA (Pro Bowlers Association  ) all say “Hello Timmy!”  

True.

[KSB2424 3,148]

On 9/6/2022 at 8:41 AM, Reality said:

Have the PGA tour players publicly thanked the LIV tour players yet? If not, what's taking so long?

The answer is No.  Hell No.

Most respectful professional athletes who have a grievance with their own leagues form a union and bargain.  If said bargain doesn't work they may go on strike.  See all other professional leagues.  This wasn't' that.  This was a money grab disguised as a grievance to save face and for an out, and you fell for it.  

Shame on you.  Now with that said, I have some swamp land to sell, hit me up if interested.  

[Cruzer 1,995]

3 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

My old Geek Club golf buddies would’ve had an Official 2022 Presidents Cup thread by now. 

Instead we are talking about an “L.I.V. Tour” backed by the Saudi Government and headed by one of the biggest chokers in golf history. And you guys are buying this nonsense.  I’m not even mad,  I’m just disappointed.

Says the guy who hasn’t started his own President’s Cup thread.  

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

4 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

NFL, MLB, NHL, hell the PBA (Pro Bowlers Association  ) all say “Hello Timmy!”  
 

All contracted (well idk shit about bowling) say hello KSB!

 

you can’t be that daft 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

All contracted (well idk shit about bowling) say hello KSB!

 

you can’t be that daft 

His point about them all being pro-monopoly was 100% true. At least he agrees all other arguments are chatter. He just sides with the monopoly where some of us don't.  

[Fumbleweed 516]

LIV can say that players can play other tours, too, but in reality they can’t. Would be very difficult to play 14 LIV events and then also play the minimum (used to be 15) PGA tour events. In reality, if you choose LIV, that’s what you should stick to with the exception of majors and WGC’s if you qualify.

[WhiteWonder 2,676]

44 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

His point about them all being pro-monopoly was 100% true. At least he agrees all other arguments are chatter. He just sides with the monopoly where some of us don't.  

I know. My point was that it’s harder to try and be a monopoly and not have people question it when your talent is considered independent contractors without guaranteed contracts. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, Fumbleweed said:

LIV can say that players can play other tours, too, but in reality they can’t. Would be very difficult to play 14 LIV events and then also play the minimum (used to be 15) PGA tour events. In reality, if you choose LIV, that’s what you should stick to with the exception of majors and WGC’s if you qualify.

But Fumble, they get to wear shorts.  

[bostonlager 2,664]

14 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

My old Geek Club golf buddies would’ve had an Official 2022 Presidents Cup thread by now. 

Instead we are talking about an “L.I.V. Tour” backed by the Saudi Government and headed by one of the biggest chokers in golf history. And you guys are buying this nonsense.  I’m not even mad,  I’m just disappointed.

I mentioned it in our fantasy football thread. No one responded. I'm in for a draft. 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

But Fumble, they get to wear shorts.  

Nothing irritates me more than someone who is envious of others money.  

[KSB2424 3,148]

8 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

Nothing irritates me more than someone who is envious of others money.  

What does this even mean?   What a weird post.  

I have no issue with a golfer taking the big payday, I'd do prolly do it too.  But I wouldn't then take a bazillion dollars and cry about not being able to play on another Tour anymore.  JFC.  Have some balls, you made a decision and live with it.  Get your money, (good for you) but stop selling the public why you did it and stop whining. 

Get paid, and play on the LIV Tour.  Good for you.