jerryskids 6,895 Posted December 15, 2022 45 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Twitter updates policies to cover themselves for the elonjet situation, contradicts first amendment Wait, Twitter is beholden to the 1st Amendment now? I gotta admit, I can't keep straight all of the gotchas from you Lefties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Wait, Twitter is beholden to the 1st Amendment now? I gotta admit, I can't keep straight all of the gotchas from you Lefties. Nope. If you notice I said “contradicts” the first amendment, not “violates.” As I’ve said repeatedly, Musk is welcome to do whatever he wants, and IMO his primary goal is to make money, as it should be. I just think he should stop pretending that everything he’s doing is for the good of the people and that he’s the champion for free speech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,527 Posted December 15, 2022 Is there any business that could lose over half its employees in one shot and still function? I wish Elon would take over the schools. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,320 Posted December 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Is there any business that could lose over half its employees in one shot and still function? I wish Elon would take over the schools. I think the Houston Texans might improve if they lost half their employees. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,374 Posted December 15, 2022 43 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Nope. If you notice I said “contradicts” the first amendment, not “violates.” As I’ve said repeatedly, Musk is welcome to do whatever he wants, and IMO his primary goal is to make money, as it should be. I just think he should stop pretending that everything he’s doing is for the good of the people and that he’s the champion for free speech. giving someone's real time location and doxxing are not free speech especially when it leads to an attack on someone's family Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,272 Posted December 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Is there any business that could lose over half its employees in one shot and still function? I wish Elon would take over the schools. Twitter was less a “business” so much as an adult daycare facility. He is doing the right things, up front fixing problems is always hard. Getting rid of the chaff and bringing in adults, serious people, who want to do real work is integral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,895 Posted December 15, 2022 57 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Nope. If you notice I said “contradicts” the first amendment, not “violates.” As I’ve said repeatedly, Musk is welcome to do whatever he wants, and IMO his primary goal is to make money, as it should be. I just think he should stop pretending that everything he’s doing is for the good of the people and that he’s the champion for free speech. His motivation to buy Twitter was not to become richer, it was because he loved it and saw it was turning into a shiot show, and he had $50B in his sofa. Now that he owns it and sees it was worse than he thought, including bleeding money, then yes, he's trying to fix that. But I assert that his primary goal was NOT to make money, at least an appreciable amount to him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: giving someone's real time location and doxxing are not free speech especially when it leads to an attack on someone's family The Supreme Court disagrees with you. And we don’t even know that the elonjet account “led” to the attack, like Strike said, anyone can track flight data. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,374 Posted December 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, TimHauck said: The Supreme Court disagrees with you. And we don’t even know that the elonjet account “led” to the attack, like Strike said, anyone can track flight data. Live tracking puts people in danger. His app he can block it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Live tracking puts people in danger. His app he can block it Yes he can. But he’s a hypocrite because he specifically said he wouldn’t. Indisputable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: The Supreme Court disagrees with you. And we don’t even know that the elonjet account “led” to the attack, like Strike said, anyone can track flight data. The elonjet account almost certainly did not lead to the attack. That doesn't mean the attack didn't illustrate to Elon the potential for harm in allowing such content, which is almost definitely why he chose to suspend that account and update the TOS for Twitter to not allow it. Seems like a very reasonable position and action to take IMO. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 57 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Yes he can. But he’s a hypocrite because he specifically said he wouldn’t. Indisputable. I don't consider people hypocrites for updating their stance after seeing and processing new information. But you do you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Strike said: The elonjet account almost certainly did not lead to the attack. That doesn't mean the attack didn't illustrate to Elon the potential for harm in allowing such content, which is almost definitely why he chose to suspend that account and update the TOS for Twitter to not allow it. Seems like a very reasonable position and action to take IMO. But Strike, it’s the EXACT same thing as being silenced because you tweeted Covid may have came from a lab. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: But Strike, it’s the EXACT same thing as being silenced because you tweeted Covid may have came from a lab. Who said that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Strike said: I don't consider people hypocrites for updating their stance after seeing and processing new information. But you do you. Yes you do. See Fauci re: masks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,527 Posted December 15, 2022 More left wing violence. Now they go after a kid. Paul Pelosi was a much more important story. Old hag got clunked and the world went nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Strike said: The elonjet account almost certainly did not lead to the attack. That doesn't mean the attack didn't illustrate to Elon the potential for harm in allowing such content, which is almost definitely why he chose to suspend that account and update the TOS for Twitter to not allow it. Seems like a very reasonable position and action to take IMO. When he specifically said he would not ban the account, he was already saying he knew it was a safety risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,374 Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: Yes he can. But he’s a hypocrite because he specifically said he wouldn’t. Indisputable. and you'd be a hypocrite too if you gave your 6 year old a jab and he died people change their opinions when it affects someone they love Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, Strike said: I don't consider people hypocrites for updating their stance after seeing and processing new information. But you do you. Also, saying he’s going to allow all “legal free speech” seems like a pretty big issue to “update his stance” on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted December 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, Strike said: The elonjet account almost certainly did not lead to the attack. That doesn't mean the attack didn't illustrate to Elon the potential for harm in allowing such content, which is almost definitely why he chose to suspend that account and update the TOS for Twitter to not allow it. Seems like a very reasonable position and action to take IMO. Imagine. A person who’s being actively attacked and threatened, even having high profile people come out publicly telling him he needs to up his security cause he pissed off some powerful people, banning an account that is actively tracking where you’re at and going to. The nerve of reducing a risk of him being assassinated since it’s been made public that the left wants him dealt with. People who are pissed about this( @edjr ) are focking idiots who have one agenda in their mind: they hate Elon and don’t care if he gets killed. Focked up, but you got some idiots here who think that way 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Djgb13 said: Imagine. A person who’s being actively attacked and threatened, even having high profile people come out publicly telling him he needs to up his security cause he pissed off some powerful people, banning an account that is actively tracking where you’re at and going to. The nerve of reducing a risk of him being assassinated since it’s been made public that the left wants him dealt with. People who are pissed about this( @edjr ) are focking idiots who have one agenda in their mind: they hate Elon and don’t care if he gets killed. Focked up, but you got some idiots here who think that way There are a couple of differences between what Elon did and what the previous Twitter administration did: 1) It makes a lot of sense to not allow real time tracking of people. Whether Elon realized that prior to acquiring Twitter or not, once his family was confronted he had first hand knowledge and understanding of the danger. The policy change is reasonable given all of that IMO. 2) It's across the board. The previous administration made up rules as they went along that benefited one side of the political spectrum. Musk didn't say "you can't post tracking info about me but if you do about Nancy Pelosi that's fine." He said you can't post it about ANYONE. That's all any of us have ever asked for. I've posted that previously in discussions about SM silencing people. Be consistent and even handed with your policies. Seems simple. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Strike said: 2) It's across the board. The previous administration made up rules as they went along that benefited one side of the political spectrum. Musk didn't say "you can't post tracking info about me but if you do about Nancy Pelosi that's fine." He said you can't post it about ANYONE. That's all any of us have ever asked for. I've posted that previously in discussions about SM silencing people. Be consistent and even handed with your policies. Seems simple. He only did that after the fact to cover his ass, after banning elonjet but not the others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted December 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Strike said: There are a couple of differences between what Elon did and what the previous Twitter administration did: 1) It makes a lot of sense to not allow real time tracking of people. Whether Elon realized that prior to acquiring Twitter or not, once his family was confronted he had first hand knowledge and understanding of the danger. The policy change is reasonable given all of that IMO. 2) It's across the board. The previous administration made up rules as they went along that benefited one side of the political spectrum. Musk didn't say "you can't post tracking info about me but if you do about Nancy Pelosi that's fine." He said you can't post it about ANYONE. That's all any of us have ever asked for. I've posted that previously in discussions about SM silencing people. Be consistent and even handed with your policies. Seems simple. Yep. Sad others can’t even use common sense and non biased views. “Covering his ass” or not, he did it across the board. NOT just to one political side Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Djgb13 said: Yep. Sad others can’t even use common sense and non biased views. “Covering his ass” or not, he did it across the board. NOT just to one political side Not initially. But thanks for letting me know you don’t actually have me on ignore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, TimHauck said: He only did that after the fact to cover his ass, after banning elonjet but not the others. He did it after a lunatic confronted his infant child. What is wrong with you? And show me where he's allowing other tracking to continue. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Strike said: He did it after a lunatic confronted his infant child. What is wrong with you? And show me where he's allowing other tracking to continue. Here is the timeline: 1. Elon says he won’t ban elonjet 2. Lunatic confronts infant child (in a car, not a plane) 3. Elon bans elonjet but not other flight tracking accounts 4. People on twitter call out Elon’s hypocrisy 5. Elon/twitter update policies to say that real-time location tracking won’t be allowed 6. Elon/Twitter bans other flight tracking accounts as well as Sweeney’s personal account, with no warning. So, unless they made additional tracking tweets after the policy change, a lawyer could probably argue they were unjustly banned since their tweets were within the rules when they were posted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,272 Posted December 15, 2022 I hope the detail he has on Fauci gives us some confirmation about his culpability with Covid, and perhaps how he maneuvered behind the scenes to manipulate opinion. Hopefully its not a dud. Recent admissions from Fauci that he is allowing that the virus may have been created in Wuhan suggest he might already know what Musk can expose on him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, TimHauck said: 3. Elon bans elonjet but not other flight tracking accounts I already asked you once to support this assertion. If you don't want to, fine, but then we're done here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Strike said: I already asked you once to support this assertion. If you don't want to, fine, but then we're done here. On 12/14/2022 at 10:49 AM, TimHauck said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Mike's site deleted it, but Tim posted a tweet of someone saying Musk didn't suspend the account of @ZuccJet, which I assume was a tracking account for Mark Zuckerberg. https://twitter.com/ZuccJet?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1603036503487131649|twgr^6463a147e9034bf318f7932881712f5672b1a56c|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fftodayforums.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fpitdesi%2Fstatus%2F1603036503487131649%3Fs%3D2026t%3DzzM_i-JpOcnYYWmoY099nw https://twitter.com/CelebJets?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1603036503487131649|twgr^6463a147e9034bf318f7932881712f5672b1a56c|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fftodayforums.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fpitdesi%2Fstatus%2F1603036503487131649%3Fs%3D2026t%3DzzM_i-JpOcnYYWmoY099nw And BOOM! HACKboy is wrong again. He couldn't even be bothered to verify whether the random tweeters he quotes are correct or not. Just like that one he used to support the notion that SBF wasn't going to testify in front of congress. Maybe random tweeters aren't your best source of credible information Hacky? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 ^above tweet I posted was at 9:37 AM. Twitter stating they updated their policies was 6:12 PM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, Strike said: https://twitter.com/ZuccJet?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1603036503487131649|twgr^6463a147e9034bf318f7932881712f5672b1a56c|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fftodayforums.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fpitdesi%2Fstatus%2F1603036503487131649%3Fs%3D2026t%3DzzM_i-JpOcnYYWmoY099nw And BOOM! Lol you’re an idiot dude. I said the other accounts were suspended now. But he banned elonjet first, then changed the policy, then banned the others. Care to admit you were wrong? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: ^above tweet I posted was at 9:37 AM. Twitter stating they updated their policies was 6:12 PM And? Both accounts are suspended. Even handed and consistent, just like I asked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, TimHauck said: Lol you’re an idiot dude. I said the other accounts were suspended now. But he banned elonjet first, then changed the policy, then banned the others. Care to admit you were wrong? Why would I admit I'm wrong? Just because he didn't ban a sh*tload of accounts all at once doesn't mean he wasn't going to ban them. Seriously, what's wrong with you? A smart person who cared would think this is a good policy and applaud it. Quit being a tool. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Strike said: And? Both accounts are suspended. Even handed and consistent, just like I asked. JFC. You’re wrong. He banned elonjet (and not the others) before updating the policy! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Strike said: Why would I admit I'm wrong? Just because he didn't ban a sh*tload of accounts all at once doesn't mean he wasn't going to ban them. Seriously, what's wrong with you? A smart person who cared would think this is a good policy and applaud it. Quit being a tool. I’m fine with the policy, as long as he admits it contradicts his prior claim to allow all legal free speech. But outside of that, the policy shouldn’t be applied retroactively. Sweeney said he was given no warning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,202 Posted December 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: JFC. You’re wrong. He banned elonjet (and not the others) before updating the policy! Can we get a sneak-peak at who the DNC says you should be outraged about tomorrow? Who is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,687 Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: JFC. You’re wrong. He banned elonjet (and not the others) before updating the policy! So focking what? I have no doubt it went down something like the following: 1) Toolbag confronts his family. 2) Light bulb goes on that maybe allowing people to post real time location information on Twitter could be bad. He knows about an account that does that for him so he suspends it. 3) Convenes his upper council at Twitter and crafts an updated policy based upon this new information. 4) Tasks a team with identifying how many similar other accounts there are because Elon probably never bothered to see if there was a @TaylorSwiftjet Twitter account because why would he? 5) Team comes back 12 hours later with a report of how many other similar accounts there are. 6) Team, possibly with him joining, creates a query/rule to suspend all such accounts that they deem problematic. This is a reasonable process that anyone with half a brain would see may take a little time. Just like he promised to remove child porn but it took a little time to make the inroads he has and is ongoing. You're so blinded with hatred for the man that you're missing common sense and how would a business approach such a thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,998 Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, Strike said: So focking what? I have no doubt it went down something like the following: 1) Toolbag confronts his family. 2) Light bulb goes on that maybe allowing people to post real time location information on Twitter could be bad. He knows about an account that does that for him so he suspends it. 3) Convenes his upper council at Twitter and crafts an updated policy based upon this new information. 4) Tasks a team with identifying how many similar other accounts there are because Elon probably never bothered to see if there was a @TaylorSwiftjet Twitter account because why would he? 5) Team comes back 12 hours later with a report of how many other similar accounts there are. 6) Team, possibly with him joining, creates a query/rule to suspend all such accounts that they deem problematic. This is a reasonable process that anyone with half a brain would see may take a little time. Just like he promised to remove child porn but it took a little time to make the inroads he has and is ongoing. You're so blinded with hatred for the man that you're missing common sense and how would a business approach such a thing. That’s a lot of words to say you were wrong without actually admitting it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted December 15, 2022 I’ve haven’t seen anyone beaten this bad since the Ray Rice video Share this post Link to post Share on other sites