craftsman 1,045 Posted November 18, 2022 Disney is turning into woke garbage and they are paying for it. Little by little we will be seeing less and less of that movement. Businesses are starting to see the light once their books start taking the hit. Either that or they go down in flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,984 Posted November 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I’ll take the win then. Unless, of course, you can show where I stated that target is losing money due to being woke. But that is impossible, you made it up/ lied. Sad I'm sorry you need to have a win that bad. Again- people can read the thread for themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, craftsman said: Disney is turning into woke garbage and they are paying for it. Little by little we will be seeing less and less of that movement. Businesses are starting to see the light once their books start taking the hit. Either that or they go down in flames. Or the pendulum swung too far to the left and its now swinging back some. What we'll never go back to is the conservatives goal to turn the clock back on the US to the 1950's. Liberals always have and always will move the country forward. Tolerance and a place for all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, craftsman said: Disney is turning into woke garbage and they are paying for it. Little by little we will be seeing less and less of that movement. Businesses are starting to see the light once their books start taking the hit. Either that or they go down in flames. How have they turned into woke garbage? I fully admit that they have pandered to the woke crowd more but I disagree with them turning into garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: I'm sorry you need to have a win that bad. Again- people can read the thread for themselves. I get what HT has been saying. He's saying he's enjoying these companies fail because he doesn't like these companies because they are woke. He's not saying they are failing as a result of being woke. It's like them thinking I don't like republicans because I don't like Trump. That's not true, I just don't like Trump. Nothing would change how I feel about Trump if he were a democrat, I would equally dislike him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,322 Posted November 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: How have they turned into woke garbage? I fully admit that they have pandered to the woke crowd more but I disagree with them turning into garbage. We've given you the evidence multiple times, you just don't care. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Voltaire said: We've given you the evidence multiple times, you just don't care. I just don't see it all as garbage. I think a lot of you overreact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,322 Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: I just don't see it all as garbage. I think a lot of you overreact. It's subtly but intentionally placed. It's still 98% quality exciting and fun. That's how they suck your kids in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Voltaire said: That's how they suck your kids in. This is where you guys lose me every time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Voltaire said: It's subtly but intentionally placed. It's still 98% quality exciting and fun. That's how they suck your kids in. It’s not so subtle anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,933 Posted November 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I get what HT has been saying. He's saying he's enjoying these companies fail because he doesn't like these companies because they are woke. He's not saying they are failing as a result of being woke. He’s saying Disney is “failing” as a result of being woke. But now that he’s admitted he was “mistaken” about Disney+ losing subscribers, I think his argument hinges on some movies that aren’t shown in China. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,984 Posted November 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I get what HT has been saying. He's saying he's enjoying these companies fail because he doesn't like these companies because they are woke. He's not saying they are failing as a result of being woke. It's like them thinking I don't like republicans because I don't like Trump. That's not true, I just don't like Trump. Nothing would change how I feel about Trump if he were a democrat, I would equally dislike him. But they aren't failing by any objective measure. That is the sticking point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: He’s saying Disney is “failing” as a result of being woke. But now that he’s admitted he was “mistaken” about Disney+ losing subscribers, I think his argument hinges on some movies that aren’t shown in China. I don't remember exactly his stance on Disney but I know that he didn't say that Target was losing money from going woke, just that he enjoys it because they are woke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said: But they aren't failing by any objective measure. That is the sticking point. Losing money then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,322 Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It’s not so subtle anymore. Yeah. It was the wrong word but even as I sit here thinking on it, I can't come up with a more accurate one. During the course of entertaining your kids with a fun and exciting story, they want to also instill and normalize their beliefs and are hoping people like Hawkeye don't care and don't get angry enough to say "no". Then in fifteen years, when your kids turn into leftoids, you don't know WTF happened or why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 18, 2022 Conservatives see the "woke" boogeyman, to go along with the "immigrant" boogeyman, around every corner. A conservative board I frequent claims the new LOTR and GOT series are woke AF. I watched the entire LOTR one, it's 95% white. I watch the first episode of GOT and it too is 95% white. Is everything woke that makes the mistake of showing either non-white or non-hetero characters? Snowflakes gonna snowflake. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,322 Posted November 18, 2022 Regarding Disney, HT's point is that they're willing to not have movies shown in various parts of the world, including China, and foreswearing that revenue stream, because their mission of woke-ifing kids is that important to them. Regarding Target, HT notices how their dumbass executives kowtow vigorously to animals who rampage, loot, and burn their box stores and feels they are getting what they deserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted November 18, 2022 Disney isn’t failing? Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,322 Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, Raven Fan said: Conservatives see the "woke" boogeyman, to go along with the "immigrant" boogeyman, around every corner. A conservative board I frequent claims the new LOTR and GOT series are woke AF. I watched the entire LOTR one, it's 95% white. I watch the first episode of GOT and it too is 95% white. Is everything woke that makes the mistake of showing either non-white or non-hetero characters? Snowflakes gonna snowflake. Well maybe you can go bring it up with them at that forum rather than come here and tell us what they believe over there and then beat up their strawmen here. We have a HotD thread here and it went rather well and you're welcome to talk about it with us even though the season is over. We may have a LotR one as well, but if so, I didn't participate in it to know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,322 Posted November 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Disney isn’t failing? Wow. They had a bad quarter. There are enough gutterboys and Hawkeyes in the world, as well as nostalgia from the rest of us, to keep them afloat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: How have they turned into woke garbage? I fully admit that they have pandered to the woke crowd more but I disagree with them turning into garbage. It's not happening all at once. It's one program at a time. And then they either change shows to incorporate woke or just add woke to their list of programing. It's not just Disney, but Disney has been so out there with their decisions on their old cartoon movies and current new shows, and updates to sequels and etc. And a note on other channels/streaming services, this is a good one: It's not Disney, but go watch Designated Survivor. I actually liked the show's first season going into the second season. You need to watch the first two seasons to really appreciate the 3rd and last season they put out there. And then tell me what they did in that season isn't why they shut the whole thing down. Woke sickness. Again this is not Disney, but Disney is quite guilty of their own atrocities. Here's a couple thoughts/reviews by fans of the show. The second review tells the details and none of it is exaggerated. Is anyone else hugely disappointed in season 3? Discussion Season 1 was a banger. I loved every second of it. The vast conspiracy, the political intrugue, the suspense. Season 2 being the misguided, direction less disaster it is was at least watchable. When watching season 3 I can't help but roll my eyes every other scene. It just seems like a checklist of what the writers wanted to make political commentary on. It's painful to watch. Could've just tweeted what you wanted to say instead of wasting everyone who waited for season 3's time... Give me drama, not this . AgentOroko81 ·3 yr. ago·edited 3 yr. ago Yes. 1- The swearing is forced and way too much of it Swearing used correctly can be great "hell yeah" moments. Here it's just stupid. 2- Woke checklist. Are they serious? The first two seasons were great. Now, gay sex scene, trans issues that make no sense to the main story line, corrupt pharma companies, terroism on every non white racial group story line, perpitraited by, you guessed it, ultra white supremecy group! A story line featuring an HIV positive guy screwing another guy then telling him after the fact that he's positive, but everything is just great after! What no Abortion story? Missed a check mark! 3- WHY THE HELL DID (spoiler) die? Are you kidding me? That character has been a pivotal character since season one, and they didnt deserve to go out like that!! 4- Missing Characters!! Great characters from season one and two got "Thanos'ed" and no one seems to notice! This season went woke and has turned into a turd. Even if they make a 4th season, I'm out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,933 Posted November 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I don't remember exactly his stance on Disney but I know that he didn't say that Target was losing money from going woke, just that he enjoys it because they are woke. Target no. Disney yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted November 18, 2022 The problem with many liberals is they think Howard Zinn wrote the definitive history of our country and that the West Wing was a documentary. When in actuality both were just socialist propaganda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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TimHauck 2,933 Posted November 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Iger only stepped down in 2020 (and was executive chairman until the end of 2021), you think they’ve only been woke the past ~2.5 years? Or is this just you being happy for bad news at a woke company and not actually blaming it on being woke? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,404 Posted November 21, 2022 4 hours ago, TimHauck said: Iger only stepped down in 2020 (and was executive chairman until the end of 2021), you think they’ve only been woke the past ~2.5 years? Or is this just you being happy for bad news at a woke company and not actually blaming it on being woke? If he considers a person or business to be woke then he enjoys seeing them fail. I think it's as simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You've been on it, must be getting ugly over there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,158 Posted November 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: If he considers a person or business to be woke then he enjoys seeing them fail. I think it's as simple as that. Seems like a good position to have. These "woke" businesses and people you talk about we've seen before, in the late 18th and early 19th century. They're the New Bolsheviks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,933 Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: If he considers a person or business to be woke then he enjoys seeing them fail. I think it's as simple as that. Earlier in this thread he said being woke was the reason Disney’s stock was down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted November 21, 2022 https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/21/bob-iger-named-disney-ceo-effective-immediately.html Bob Iger returns as Disney CEO, replacing Bob Chapek after a brief, tumultuous tenure Shares of Disney, a Dow component, were up about 9% in early trading Monday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,256 Posted November 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/21/bob-iger-named-disney-ceo-effective-immediately.html Bob Iger returns as Disney CEO, replacing Bob Chapek after a brief, tumultuous tenure Shares of Disney, a Dow component, were up about 9% in early trading Monday. Yeah, with this change i would consider Disney to be a "buy" now....that Chapek was a bad choice IMHO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin 618 Posted November 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, RLLD said: Yeah, with this change i would consider Disney to be a "buy" now....that Chapek was a bad choice IMHO So this means they're not woke anymore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,256 Posted November 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: So this means they're not woke anymore? That is an odd assertion. You seem to believe that the change of a single role would facilitate some immediate cultural change across an large organization. Speaking from experience, that is just now how it all works. Now, in terms of management and unforced errors, I think his removal is widely accepted as a positive from a financial performance aspect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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EternalShinyAndChrome 4,158 Posted November 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: So this means they're not woke anymore? That's exactly what it means for the coming future. Chapek basically made that his agenda for disney. Not good for current and potential profits. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/disney-fires-ceo-bob-chapek-after-woke-war-with-desantis/ Great move by Disney to right the ship and get back to where it used to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin 618 Posted November 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, RLLD said: That is an odd assertion. You seem to believe that the change of a single role would facilitate some immediate cultural change across an large organization. Speaking from experience, that is just now how it all works. Now, in terms of management and unforced errors, I think his removal is widely accepted as a positive from a financial performance aspect. The reason I ask is because many of the magatards here claim that Disney is in financial trouble because of woke policies. If you say they are now a buy, then I would think then the woke policies would go away, unless you're not a Magatard, but I'm pretty sure you are... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin 618 Posted November 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: That's exactly what it means for the coming future. Chapek basically made that his agenda for disney. Not good for current and potential profits. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/disney-fires-ceo-bob-chapek-after-woke-war-with-desantis/ Great move by Disney to right the ship and get back to where it used to be. See RLLD, this Magatard has spoken, thinks this means Disney changes to conservative values. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted November 21, 2022 In the aftermath of my decisive victory, I guess we will have to wait and see. If he lets go of the people pushing the woke agenda that will be a good start. We’ll see if there is any blatant woke messaging in products they want to sell to China. Do that and the arrow will be pointing up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin 618 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: In the aftermath of my decisive victory, I guess we will have to wait and see. If he lets go of the people pushing the woke agenda that will be a good start. We’ll see if there is any blatant woke messaging in products they want to sell to China. Do that and the arrow will be pointing up. This dude is still clueless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,933 Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: In the aftermath of my decisive victory, I guess we will have to wait and see. If he lets go of the people pushing the woke agenda that will be a good start. We’ll see if there is any blatant woke messaging in products they want to sell to China. Do that and the arrow will be pointing up. So you don’t think they were woke until 2020? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites