Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Listen,  teachers engaged in a culture that directly led to fatalities. That’s the official finding, not mine. Now do better. 

This is not a trick question or request:

please indicate the direct quote in the report that says the door was propped open at the time the shooter entered the building.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

This is not a trick question or request:

please indicate the direct quote in the report that says the door was propped open at the time the shooter entered the building.

It was open. Duh. And it was propped open at least at one point that day. Stop doing that 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It was open. Duh. And it was propped open at least at one point that day. Stop doing that 

Please find the direct quote in the report that says the door was propped open at the time the shooter entered the building. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Please find the direct quote in the report that says the door was propped open at the time the shooter entered the building. 

When was the prop removed? 

[MDC 7,490]

Wutabout the doors? 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When was the prop removed? 

Prior to the shooter entering the building as the door was fully closed.

You would know that if you actually looked at the report instead of farting out nonsense.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

48 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Yeah, the teachers and administrators really screwed this up by saying absolutely nothing about that none of the school's safety measures worked for months prior to this.

Glad they are all absolved of all responsibility. 

No one has denied any of that. They all focked up. None of that has anything to do with a rock propping open a door. That’s the whole point. It didn’t factor into anything that happened that day. The doors all failed and the whole administration focked up by not taking care of it. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

38 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No one has denied any of that. They all focked up. None of that has anything to do with a rock propping open a door. That’s the whole point. It didn’t factor into anything that happened that day. The doors all failed and the whole administration focked up by not taking care of it. 

Exactly. Lots of blame but HT wants to throw it solely at teachers. It's simple- a door that should automatically lock from the outside  is something that would be under assumption that it works. You wouldn't know otherwise as a teacher. I don't know things like that do or do not work unless I am told. I have a key to my room and can easily check that but they don't necessarily give teachers keys to all the outside doors. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Exactly. Lots of blame but HT wants to throw it solely at teachers. It's simple- a door that should automatically lock from the outside  is something that would be under assumption that it works. You wouldn't know otherwise as a teacher. I don't know things like that do or do not work unless I am told. I have a key to my room and can easily check that but they don't necessarily give teachers keys to all the outside doors. 

I placed plenty of blame on everyone. Including the police.  And teachers. Stop lying.  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I placed plenty of blame on everyone. Including the police.  And teachers. Stop lying.  

Did you find the quote in the report yet that said the door was propped open at the time the shooter entered?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I placed plenty of blame on everyone. Including the police.  And teachers. Stop lying.  

Yet you can’t stop placing the blame on a stupid rock in a door. 

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yet you can’t stop placing the blame on a stupid rock in a door. 

It was involved. Teacher's fault for putting it there.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

It was involved. Teacher's fault for putting it there.

It wasn’t involved. Not even a little bit. Had nothing to do with it. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 hours ago, craftsman said:

Yeah, the teachers and administrators really screwed this up by saying absolutely nothing about that none of the school's safety measures worked for months prior to this.

Actually they did.  Read the report.

 

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It was open. 

No it wasn’t.  Read the report.

[craftsman 1,045]

44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Actually they did.  Read the report.

 

No it wasn’t.  Read the report.

it was open.

[TimHauck 2,906]

17 minutes ago, craftsman said:

it was open.

If by “open,” you mean unlocked, yes.  But not literally open.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

31 minutes ago, craftsman said:

it was open.

Unlocked. Had nothing to do with the teacher propping the door open. The other doors were unlocked too.  How are people not comprehending this?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

9 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Unlocked. Had nothing to do with the teacher propping the door open. The other doors were unlocked too.  How are people not comprehending this?

Look who it is arguing it...one is a liar (HT) and the other (craftsman) thinks no one can determine his previous alias on here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

59 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Look who it is arguing it...one is a liar (HT) and the other (craftsman) thinks no one can determine his previous alias on here. 

What have I lied about? Sorry libtard, disagreeing with you isn’t lying. I know they taught you that, but they lied  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gepetto 1,372]

The door was closed and unknowingly unlocked from the outside.  There's video showing this when the shooter enters. 

Some of you have a rock in your head.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

The door is an emergency exit.  It should never at anytime have  been opened. Teachers did not adhere to the safety protocols, leading to fatalities. Any argument about those facts is folly and whining.  Now stfu. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What have I lied about? Sorry libtard, disagreeing with you isn’t lying. I know they taught you that, but they lied  

 

"What have I lied about?"

(Waves hand wildly at the thread as a whole)

49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The door is an emergency exit.  It should never at anytime have  been opened. Teachers did not adhere to the safety protocols, leading to fatalities. Any argument about those facts is folly and whining.  Now stfu. 

Listen very carefully and I'll go slow for you.

A teacher had the door propped open to get something from their car (which yes is wrong)

The teacher then reentered the building when they heard shooting, removed the rock, and shut the door assuming the door would be locked. That door should be locked automatically when it shuts as that is how those doors are designed. You can only check that the door is locked by being from the outside which would have been insane when a shooter is outside.

The shooter then approached the building, opened the shut door, and entered the building through the unlocked door. 

The video confirms this. The report confirms this. You have determined the report confirms something else but have yet to offer the quote showing that despite being asked approximately 10 times throughout this thread.

The time has come for you to just admit you are wrong and move on because this is just looking sad for you at this point. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Lol. You can only check from the outside to see if it’s locked. I guess pulling it shut and pushing on it to make sure it’s engaged wouldn’t work. I think I’ve done it a thousand times at least. These people don’t know how doors or walls work. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lol. You can only check from the outside to see if it’s locked. I guess pulling it shut and pushing on it to make sure it’s engaged wouldn’t work. I think I’ve done it a thousand times at least. These people don’t know how doors or walls work. 

So you admit it was shut?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

14 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So you admit it was shut?

Why did she prop it open in the first place? And she shouldn’t have been  using the door at all. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did she prop it open in the first place? And she shouldn’t have been  using the door at all. 

So you admit it was shut?

Also, please show the direct quote in the report that says it was propped open at the time of the shooter entering.

Thank you.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lol. You can only check from the outside to see if it’s locked. I guess pulling it shut and pushing on it to make sure it’s engaged wouldn’t work. I think I’ve done it a thousand times at least. These people don’t know how doors or walls work. 

I might have to look at the video again but I'm pretty sure the only way to open the door from the inside was to push on the bar which engages the latch.  My understanding is that the door is only locked from the outside meaning the the door would always open from the inside when pushing on the bar.  This means there would be no way of knowing it's locked when inside of the building.  I had read somewhere that one teacher would make sure her classroom door was locking by having a student go out and make sure it was locked then she would let the student back in.

On top of all of this, all of the outside doors that were suppose to be automatically locked were not working.  I think there were two other doors that were unlocked and none of them had anything to do with a rock propping them open at some point during the day.

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

So you admit it was shut?

Looks like it.  The goalpost moving has begun.  Now it’s “why did the teacher open it at all?”  Lol, you can’t make this stuff up

44 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did she prop it open in the first place? And she shouldn’t have been  using the door at all. 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Looks like it.  The goalpost moving has begun.  Now it’s “why did the teacher open it at all?”  Lol, you can’t make this stuff up

 

It's almost not fun beating down HT like this. 

I think he is basically a less functional autistic person. 

[MDC 7,490]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

It's almost not fun beating down HT like this. 

I think he is basically a less functional autistic person. 

Why do you play HT’s game? He doesn’t believe a thing he’s saying. He strings you along for attention.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Why do you play HT’s game? He doesn’t believe a thing he’s saying. He strings you along for attention.

It's fun when you back him into his corner. 

[MDC 7,490]

54 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

It's fun when you back him into his corner. 

Arguing with HT is like WarGames: The only winning move is not to play. 

[craftsman 1,045]

Check out all the liberal hens clucking and whining about others. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Glad to see the police chief get booted.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

10 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Glad to see the police chief get booted.

Definitely.  Now to take the principal off suspension and fire her too. And the teacher that used the emergency exit to come and go. The one that propped it open. Everyone needs to be held accountable for this. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Definitely.  Now to take the principal off suspension and fire her too. And the teacher that used the emergency exit to come and go. The one that propped it open. Everyone needs to be held accountable for this. 

Yes. Even the people not responsible should be fired.  

[TimHauck 2,906]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Definitely.  Now to take the principal off suspension and fire her too. And the teacher that used the emergency exit to come and go. The one that propped it open. Everyone needs to be held accountable for this. 

If any teachers are at fault, it’s the one in one of the rooms if that one was indeed not locked.  The teacher (who is still alive) claims it was locked, but the report claims “there’s evidence to show” it wasn’t.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yes. Even the people not responsible should be fired.  

What should be done with the principal? And can you give a list of who is responsible? 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What should be done with the principal? And can you give a list of who is responsible? 

The people who are responsible for maintaining their security. The people who make sure the door locks work. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The people who are responsible for maintaining their security. The people who make sure the door locks work. 

 But what about the non compliance with safety protocols? The door was working. That’s why it was propped open.  Duh. Why would you prop open a door that doesn’t lock? The whole reason to prop it open is because it will lock. Is there some other reason to prop it open?