Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not according to Hack and Mooney. Glad you finally acknowledged it. 

You think they haven't acknowledge it?  I haven't seen that.  It's placing the majority of the blame on the teacher who propped the door open where we all disagree.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You think they haven't acknowledge it?  I haven't seen that.  It's placing the majority of the blame on the teacher who propped the door open where we all disagree.

As far as the perp getting in through that door that day? Yeah that’s her fault. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As far as the perp getting in through that door that day? Yeah that’s her fault. 

This is where we disagree until you can prove it.  Once you provide adequate proof then I will agree.

[Voltaire 5,317]

45 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If the door didn’t work she wouldn’t have had to prop it open. Unless you’re buying that it just so happened to stop working after she propped it open. 

I admit that part leaves me confused but it is what I read. It's unfathomble a door this stupid exists. But if you're going to say that she could have locked the door if she'd taken the time to close it right, I'd need a link because it contradicts what I read. Then, I'll change my position to yours.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I admit that part leaves me confused but it is what I read. It's unfathomble a door this stupid exists. But if you're going to say that she could have locked the door if she'd taken the time to close it right, I'd need a link because it contradicts what I read. Then, I'll change my position to yours.

This is where I can't follow him.  I don't know how he thinks it's all her fault with the complete lack of evidence.  It's all been speculation on his part so far.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I admit that part leaves me confused but it is what I read. It's unfathomble a door this stupid exists. But if you're going to say that she could have locked the door if she'd taken the time to close it right, I'd need a link because it contradicts what I read. Then, I'll change my position to yours.

When you slam a heavy duty door closed the lock won’t engage. You have to pull it shut. It will just bounce back. You think she took the time to do that or open it and run like hell? 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When you slam a heavy duty door closed the lock won’t engage. You have to pull it shut. It will just bounce back. You think she took the time to do that or open it and run like hell? 

More speculation.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

44 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not according to Hack and Mooney. Glad you finally acknowledged it. 

That is a dumb characterization of what I've said. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When you slam a heavy duty door closed the lock won’t engage. You have to pull it shut. It will just bounce back. You think she took the time to do that or open it and run like hell? 

Why do you think HT speculation is stone cold fact?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Did you see his messages to a friend about how he shot his grandma in the face and then was heading to shoot up an elementary school now?  So messed up.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

The report says that the West, East and South outside doors were all unlocked so it didn't matter that the teacher had the door propped open earlier, he was getting in.

https://house.texas.gov/_media/pdf/committees/reports/87interim/Robb-Elementary-Investigative-Committee-Report.pdf

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The report says that the West, East and South outside doors were all unlocked so it didn't matter that the teacher had the door propped open earlier, he was getting in.

https://house.texas.gov/_media/pdf/committees/reports/87interim/Robb-Elementary-Investigative-Committee-Report.pdf

Remember when HT a page ago was crying because "NO one but him read the report"....turns out neither did he. Of course we already knew that considering everything he quoted came from the FOX News article and not the report itself. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The report says that the West, East and South outside doors were all unlocked so it didn't matter that the teacher had the door propped open earlier, he was getting in.

https://house.texas.gov/_media/pdf/committees/reports/87interim/Robb-Elementary-Investigative-Committee-Report.pdf

Yup.  It also puts to bed the claim that "if she slammed it too hard the lock wouldn't engage"

[TimHauck 2,906]

Here's something HT can celebrate, it does look like "the report" is claiming the teacher from Room 111 (who survived), is a liar.   

"Reyes told the Committee’s investigators that he believes the attacker entered through Room 112 and from there shot through the wall into Room 111. Interview of Arnulfo Reyes, Robb Elementary teacher (June 30, 2022). The Committee finds that suggestion to be unlikely for the reasons previously explained about why Room 112 likely was locked and Room 111 likely was unlocked."

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

So she propped open an unlocked door. Ok. Nothing is the teachers fault.  

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So she propped open an unlocked door.

Now you're getting it

[Horseman 2,476]

8 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I just watched the video of the shooter entering the building.  Now that's I've seen what the door looks like, there was no way it was going to keep him out even if it was locked.  All he had to do was shoot the window and then open the door.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/columns/2022/07/12/uvalde-shooting-video-austin-american-statesman-editor-investigation-publish/65371937007/

At 51 seconds it looks like the door is propped open.  What you need is about 5 seconds more of the edited video to know for sure.

As far as school windows go no school has regular old glass, just for the safety sake of broken glass around children.  When I was a kid it was all wired.  Now days if they use polycarbonate it wouldn't just shatter and let you in like you think it does.  I have no idea what type of glass this school had installed, but it's at least safety proof if not intruder proof.

[Gepetto 1,372]

10 hours ago, Horseman said:

Wow.

You can't be this stupid right?  We all know the types of doors they are taking about. You set the lock position with the key. Technically the keyhole is on the outside, yes, but you can set it with the door open then shut it behind you so it locks when you are on the inside. 

In my day the doors would be unlocked during school hours, come and go as you please, locked after hours. In these hypersensitive times they would be locked all the time. Locked means you cant open it from the outside without a key. But you can always exit, per fire code.  

Only way it remains open is if the teachers didnt make sure the door was shut completely. 

 

 

Thank you.  Some of the Geeks definitely needed this explanation. 

[Reality 3,121]

55 minutes ago, Horseman said:

At 51 seconds it looks like the door is propped open.  What you need is about 5 seconds more of the edited video to know for sure.

As far as school windows go no school has regular old glass, just for the safety sake of broken glass around children.  When I was a kid it was all wired.  Now days if they use polycarbonate it wouldn't just shatter and let you in like you think it does.  I have no idea what type of glass this school had installed, but it's at least safety proof if not intruder proof.

Nah man, you don't get it. He studied the tape, windows and doors are useless. Most schools use wax paper, glass is pricey.

[Reality 3,121]

Too bad this guy wasn't on scene.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

10 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I just watched the video of the shooter entering the building.  Now that's I've seen what the door looks like, there was no way it was going to keep him out even if it was locked.  All he had to do was shoot the window and then open the door.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/columns/2022/07/12/uvalde-shooting-video-austin-american-statesman-editor-investigation-publish/65371937007/

After watching that do you think he opened the door with his foot? 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

12 hours ago, Horseman said:

Wow.

You can't be this stupid right?  We all know the types of doors they are taking about. You set the lock position with the key. Technically the keyhole is on the outside, yes, but you can set it with the door open then shut it behind you so it locks when you are on the inside. 

Only way it remains open is if the teachers didnt make sure the door was shut completely. 

 

 

No. You are wrong on just about every account here. 

The only thing you were accurate on was the door should be locked from the outside at all times. It wasn't here. That is a failure of the admin who allowed the doors to not work correctly and not get fixed. 

[weepaws 3,204]

Shooter shouldn’t have had any access into the school. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Shooter shouldn’t have had any access into the school. 

Gee you think?

Why didn't anyone think of that 2 months ago? 

What a hot take you delivered there.

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

After watching that do you think he opened the door with his foot? 

He didn’t.  

Start just before 5:00 (some more video for you @Horseman , I don’t see any indication the door was propped open)

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

After watching that do you think he opened the door with his foot? 

You can see him reach for the door with his left hand and pull it open.  What are you talking about?

[TimHauck 2,906]

The other frustrating thing about the report to me is all the messages he was apparently sending to people that weren’t reported.  He was telling one person to visit him before May 23rd right before talking about all the guns he bought.  The girl in Germany even said “cool” after he said he shot his grandmother.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

47 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You can see him reach for the door with his left hand and pull it open.  What are you talking about?

It looked like he bent over at least. Doesn’t look like he opened it with the handle, but pulled it open using the body of the door. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It looked like he bent over at least. Doesn’t look like he opened it with the handle, but pulled it open using the body of the door. 

I'm not sure how you're getting that from the video.  We can see the door shut from an inside camera and there is video from an outside camera showing the door being shut.  Even the police said the door was shut.  There are three outside doors and all three were unlocked according to the report.  It would not have mattered which door he went to.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not sure how you're getting that from the video.  We can see the door shut from an inside camera and there is video from an outside camera showing the door being shut.  Even the police said the door was shut.  There are three outside doors and all three were unlocked according to the report.  It would not have mattered which door he went to.

I was just asking what you saw when he opened the door. You’re bringing up the culture of staff not adhering to safety protocols which led directly to a fatal result. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was just asking what you saw when he opened the door. You’re bringing up the culture of staff not adhering to safety protocols which led directly to a fatal result. 

I see the shooter reaching for the door handle and opening it up.  I see proof that the teacher propping the door open earlier was not the direct reason the shooter was able to enter the building.  The entire school staff shares responsibility for the lack of security they had.  Everything after that is on the hands of law enforcement.

[TimHauck 2,906]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It looked like he bent over at least. Doesn’t look like he opened it with the handle, but pulled it open using the body of the door. 

nice imagination you have there

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I see the shooter reaching for the door handle and opening it up.  I see proof that the teacher propping the door open earlier was not the direct reason the shooter was able to enter the building.  The entire school staff shares responsibility for the lack of security they had.  Everything after that is on the hands of law enforcement.

Ok. I was just asking.  N/P

[Horseman 2,476]

18 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

No. You are wrong on just about every account here. 

The only thing you were accurate on was the door should be locked from the outside at all times. It wasn't here. That is a failure of the admin who allowed the doors to not work correctly and not get fixed. 

They don't give the dumb teachers keys because they aren't smart enough to figure out if a door is locked or not.  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

They don't give the dumb teachers keys because they aren't smart enough to figure out if a door is locked or not.  

Well your posts where you are pretty much entirely wrong counter is now at 2.

TBF- I only started 2 posts ago. 

[Horseman 2,476]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well your posts where you are pretty much entirely wrong counter is now at 2.

TBF- I only started 2 posts ago. 

The dumbest ones can't even grasp the mechanics.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

The Principal has been suspended. Now fire her. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Do you guys just not bother researching anything? Do you not have access to the internet? The google?

 

You'd rather sit here and speculate about s*** when the facts are actually knowable and available? Including video?

that version of events was clarified on Tuesday. The teacher's lawyer told the San Antonio Express-News that the teacher had kicked a rock away from the push-bar door and pulled it shut after recognizing the danger of the situation. She thought it would automatically lock — but it didn't, her lawyer said.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/01/1102355422/uvalde-shooting-teacher-door

[TimHauck 2,906]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Principal has been suspended. Now fire her. 

Why do you want her fired?  I thought you said it was the teacher’s fault

[MDC 7,485]

Somehow missed this gem:

Cliff’s notes version: School shootings are Biden’s fault and the solution is more guns in schools.