Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

Just now, TimHauck said:

None of that matters if the doors could only be locked from the outside, dummy 

The report says the culture of non compliance played a direct role in the fatalities.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

I’ll take my vindication and leave you hysterical ninnies to it. Can’t even read what was in a report that’s all over the news. Don’t prop open doors. 

[Sean Mooney 1,996]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’ll take my vindication and leave you hysterical ninnies to it. Can’t even read what was in a report that’s all over the news. Don’t prop open doors. 

Please find something that says the door was propped open at the time the gunman entered. You can't.

So you can take your vindication and walk right into oncoming traffic

[TimHauck 3,016]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The report says the culture of non compliance played a direct role in the fatalities.  

Can you link the report please?

Also, I’m pretty sure the “culture of non compliance” refers to the entire staff.  If any school employee is at fault it’s probably the maintenance staff, as they would likely be the ones required to lock exterior doors that could only be locked from the outside.  This is further proven by the fact that reports say the teachers had reported broken locks to the school.

[Reality 3,121]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’ll take my vindication and leave you hysterical ninnies to it. Can’t even read what was in a report that’s all over the news. Don’t prop open doors. 

These policies exist for a reason. Obviously the doors were part of the problem, I'm willing to debate what percentage but, it was very dumb for anybody to suggest otherwise. You've been right to discuss it from the beginning. I have no idea why anybody would have issue with investigating all aspects of this horrible tragedy. Let's fix everything we can and be better moving forward.

This is common sense stuff, doors aren't political. 

[TimHauck 3,016]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

These policies exist for a reason. Obviously the doors were part of the problem, I'm willing to debate what percentage but, it was very dumb for anybody to suggest otherwise. You've been right to discuss it from the beginning. I have no idea why anybody would have issue with investigating all aspects of this horrible tragedy. Let's fix everything we can and be better moving forward.

This is common sense stuff, doors aren't political. 

The doors were a problem, for sure.  The disagreement is that HT is blaming it on the teachers.

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The report says the culture of non compliance played a direct role in the fatalities.  

How?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

The doors were a problem, for sure.  The disagreement is that HT is blaming it on the teachers.

The report did that. I was just right 

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

The report did that. I was just right 

How?

[Sean Mooney 1,996]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

These policies exist for a reason. Obviously the doors were part of the problem, I'm willing to debate what percentage but, it was very dumb for anybody to suggest otherwise. You've been right to discuss it from the beginning. I have no idea why anybody would have issue with investigating all aspects of this horrible tragedy. Let's fix everything we can and be better moving forward.

This is common sense stuff, doors aren't political. 

Of course you would completely ignore the context of what HT has said all along. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

23 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

 

Uvalde shooting report finds 'culture of noncompliance' among staff, 'tacitly condoned' by administrators

The Texas House of Representatives report found Uvalde school administrators 'tacitly condoned' unsafe practices at Robb Elementary School

https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-shooting-report-finds-culture-noncompliance-staff-tacitly-condoned-administrators

 

“This non compliance turned out to be fatal”. There, I quoted it for those of you that aren’t intellectually curious.  You ghouls take a media report over an investigation and run with it because you can’t handle the truth.  

[Sean Mooney 1,996]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

How?

Spoiler: It didn't.

HT is doing that thing where he is just using something that doesn't prove his point to prove his point. So his normal logical fallacies. 

[Sean Mooney 1,996]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

“This non compliance turned out to be fatal”. There, I quoted it for those of you that aren’t intellectually curious.  You ghouls take a media report over an investigation and run with it because you can’t handle the truth.  

That is from the writing on the report and not the report itself. But to play your game:

From the first sentence:

Quote

School administrators "did not adequately prepare" for a potential shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to a report released by the Texas House of Representatives Investigative Committee on the Robb Elementary School shooting.

That signals out the leadership not the teachers...well there went your vindication lap. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Can you link the report please?

Also, I’m pretty sure the “culture of non compliance” refers to the entire staff.  If any school employee is at fault it’s probably the maintenance staff, as they would likely be the ones required to lock exterior doors that could only be locked from the outside.  This is further proven by the fact that reports say the teachers had reported broken locks to the school.

 It’s the janitors fault.  The janitor is supposed to follow teachers around to make sure the door is locked when they come running back in. Got it. 

[TimHauck 3,016]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The report did that. I was just right 

Link to report?  Took me a minute, but I found it.  I'm starting to doubt if you ever did.

[TimHauck 3,016]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 It’s the janitors fault.  The janitor is supposed to follow teachers around to make sure the door is locked when they come running back in. Got it. 

IF THE DOOR CAN ONLY BE LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE, HOW THE HELL IS THE TEACHER SUPPOSED TO LOCK IT WHEN THEY ARE INSIDE???

good lord

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That is from the writing on the report and not the report itself. But to play your game:

From the first sentence:

That signals out the leadership not the teachers...well there went your vindication lap. 

“Non compliance among staff”.  But it was just the janitors I guess. Why don’t you go read the part about teachers forgetting their keys? This is ridiculous. These brainwashed sheep really do read and see only what they want.  They have the ability to skip over anything they don’t like. It’s a gift I guess. Shameless. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

IF THE DOOR CAN ONLY BE LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE, HOW THE HELL IS THE TEACHER SUPPOSED TO LOCK IT WHEN THEY ARE INSIDE???

good lord

Why was it propped open to begin with ? The teacher removed the rock when she came back in, it’s just that the lock didn’t engage, right? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That is from the writing on the report and not the report itself. But to play your game:

From the first sentence:

That signals out the leadership not the teachers...well there went your vindication lap. 

Know what’s funny? No one here says the cops were just waiting on orders. Everyone thinks they should have acted, orders be damned.  But here’s Mooney, saying it’s not the teachers fault they propped open doors and don’t adhere to safety measures, but their bosses. Clown.  

[Horseman 2,574]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

IF THE DOOR CAN ONLY BE LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE, HOW THE HELL IS THE TEACHER SUPPOSED TO LOCK IT WHEN THEY ARE INSIDE???

good lord

Wow.

You can't be this stupid right?  We all know the types of doors they are taking about. You set the lock position with the key. Technically the keyhole is on the outside, yes, but you can set it with the door open then shut it behind you so it locks when you are on the inside. 

In my day the doors would be unlocked during school hours, come and go as you please, locked after hours. In these hypersensitive times they would be locked all the time. Locked means you cant open it from the outside without a key. But you can always exit, per fire code.  

Only way it remains open is if the teachers didnt make sure the door was shut completely. 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Wow.

You can't be this stupid right?  We all know the types of doors they are taking about. You set the lock position with the key. Technically the keyhole is on the outside, yes, but you can set it with the door open then shut it behind you so it locks when you are on the inside. 

In my day the doors would be unlocked during school hours, come and go as you please, locked after hours. In these hypersensitive times they would be locked all the time. Locked means you cant open it from the outside without a key. But you can always exit, per fire code.  

Only way it remains open is if the teachers didnt make sure the door was shut completely. 

 

 

It’s like they never used a heavy duty door.  Everyone knows it locks when you close it. That’s why it was propped open.  

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why was it propped open to begin with ? The teacher removed the rock when she came back in, it’s just that the lock didn’t engage, right? 

What did propping it open have to do with anything?  The door was not propped open when the shooter was there.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What did propping it open have to do with anything?  The door was not propped open when the shooter was there.

Just answer the question. Why was it propped open? 

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just answer the question. Why was it propped open? 

Yes.  I've said it multiple times too but what did it have to do with anything.  The door was shut and it did not get locked and that's all that matters.  The door being propped open means absolutely nothing.  If the shooter came through the door because it was still propped open then it would be a huge deal but that didn't happen.

[MDC 7,555]

I have to hand it to HT: In a thread about a mass shooting he’s managed to keep 3-4 posters talking about whether a door was propped or I propped for days. 

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

Just now, MDC said:

I have to hand it to HT: In a thread about a mass shooting he’s managed to keep 3-4 posters talking about whether a door was propped or I propped for days. 

It seems to be a very important factor to what happened according to him.  It's strange.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

It seems to be a very important factor to what happened according to him.  It's strange.

It diverts the conversation away from puzzy cops and gun control.

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

Just now, vomit said:

It diverts the conversation away from puzzy cops and gun control.

Maybe but I've never seen him defend the cops here.  I think everyone here agrees the cops did a terrible job.

[MDC 7,555]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It seems to be a very important factor to what happened according to him.  It's strange.

It’s not that strange when you consider HT is a hack Republican troll and very lonely.  

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Maybe but I've never seen him defend the cops here.  I think everyone here agrees the cops did a terrible job.

He says he's a former cop.  Cops usually defend each other.

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

Just now, vomit said:

He says he's a former cop.  Cops usually defend each other.

I know but he hasn't been defending them here.  He's said numerous times that they failed.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yes.  I've said it multiple times too but what did it have to do with anything.  The door was shut and it did not get locked and that's all that matters.  The door being propped open means absolutely nothing.  If the shooter came through the door because it was still propped open then it would be a huge deal but that didn't happen.

Why would you prop open a door if the lock didn’t work? What your asking me to believe is that the lock stoped working at that very moment. Instead of the teacher ran back in and didn’t assure the lock engaged. See it seems to me that she ran back in,  flung the door open and didn’t make sure it was locked, She just ran.  The lock didn’t all of a sudden stop working.  Nonsense. 

[TimHauck 3,016]

6 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Wow.

You can't be this stupid right?  We all know the types of doors they are taking about. You set the lock position with the key. Technically the keyhole is on the outside, yes, but you can set it with the door open then shut it behind you so it locks when you are on the inside. 

In my day the doors would be unlocked during school hours, come and go as you please, locked after hours. In these hypersensitive times they would be locked all the time. Locked means you cant open it from the outside without a key. But you can always exit, per fire code.  

Only way it remains open is if the teachers didnt make sure the door was shut completely. 

 

 

I was referring primarily to the exterior door.  A teacher most likely would not have the keys to the exterior door.  The Texas Department of Public Safety confirmed the door was closed, but was not locked,

 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why would you prop open a door if the lock didn’t work? What your asking me to believe is that the lock stoped working at that very moment. Instead of the teacher ran back in and didn’t assure the lock engaged. See it seems to me that she ran back in,  flung the door open and didn’t make sure it was locked, She just ran.  The lock didn’t all of a sudden stop working.  Nonsense. 

From what I've read they didn't realize that the door wasn't working.  Even the cops thought the doors were locked and waited for keys, even though the door was unlocked.

It looks like you're claiming that the door failed to lock specifically as a result of it being propped open prior to it being shut?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It seems to be a very important factor to what happened according to him.  It's strange.

Well, I did school security for a few years after I retired. I don’t know how many times I had to close a door that had been propped open. Let me ask you a question, if you had to choose one at your kids school: a secure school or a better response by the police after the fact, what would you choose? The cops response was horrible, but adhering to safety protocols will result in a safer school. What a nut I am. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read they didn't realize that the door wasn't working.  Even the cops thought the doors were locked and waited for keys, even though the door was unlocked.

It looks like you're claiming that the door failed to lock specifically as a result of it being propped open prior to it being shut?

The keys they were waiting for were to get in the classroom. 

[Mike Honcho 5,324]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why would you prop open a door if the lock didn’t work? What your asking me to believe is that the lock stoped working at that very moment. Instead of the teacher ran back in and didn’t assure the lock engaged. See it seems to me that she ran back in,  flung the door open and didn’t make sure it was locked, She just ran.  The lock didn’t all of a sudden stop working.  Nonsense. 

 

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read they didn't realize that the door wasn't working.  Even the cops thought the doors were locked and waited for keys, even though the door was unlocked.

It looks like you're claiming that the door failed to lock specifically as a result of it being propped open prior to it being shut?

I wish someone would hit both of you with a rock.  

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, I did school security for a few years after I retired. I don’t know how many times I had to close a door that had been propped open. Let me ask you a question, if you had to choose one at your kids school: a secure school or a better response by the police after the fact, what would you choose? The cops response was horrible, but adhering to safety protocols will result in a safer school. What a nut I am. 

You tend to trial off like this often.  What does any of this have to do with the door being propped open?  It was propped open and then shut.  How is this entire event related to that door being propped open?  I've never seen you give a legit reason and show any proof.  It wasn't long ago that you speculated that the reason he went to that door was because he thought there was a good chance it would be propped open.  It's been proven that the door was not propped open when he got to it though.

[Hawkeye21 2,412]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

I wish someone would hit both of you with a rock.  

How big of one?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,547]

10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read they didn't realize that the door wasn't working.  Even the cops thought the doors were locked and waited for keys, even though the door was unlocked.

It looks like you're claiming that the door failed to lock specifically as a result of it being propped open prior to it being shut?

The door opens when you push the arm bar.  When the arm bar is let go the lock goes back to the locked position. Come on, you have used these types of doors all the time. In order to close it you have to push down on the arm bar and pull the door shut.if you let it slam without pushing on the arm bar the lock stays in the locked position. That’s why the door being propped open was so important