Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[vomit 502]

I wish there was an open door in front of a canyon and HT would jump through it.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The door opens when you push the arm bar.  When the arm bar is let go the lock goes back to the locked position. Come on, you have used these types of doors all the time. In order to close it you have to push down on the arm bar and pull the door shut.if you let it slam without pushing on the arm bar the lock stays in the locked position. That’s why the door being propped open was so important 

If that's what happened do you have proof?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If that's what happened do you have proof?

Go find a heavy duty door if you have never used one and play around with it and then tell me the lock all of a sudden stopped working. Let it slam in the locked position and tell me what happens. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

I still think a key "reason" for this attack is being glossed over: bullying.  Quote from the report (here, since HT remains allergic to links: http://kens-download.edgesuite.net/archive/assets/pdf/20220717_robb_elementary_committee_interim_report.pdf)

The attacker’s fourth grade year at Robb Elementary School was significant to him. The shooting took place in his former fourth grade classroom, and he discussed bad memories of fourth grade with an acquaintance just weeks beforehand. In testimony before the Committee, two different narratives have emerged. The attacker’s fourth grade teacher testified before the Committee. Not only did she know the attacker from having been his teacher, but she was also in Robb Elementary’s fourth grade building, in a different classroom, at the time of the attack. This teacher told the Committee she knew the attacker needed extra help in her class because he claimed to be a victim of bullying...

Members of the attacker’s family...reported to the Committee their belief that other students still bullied the attacker throughout his fourth grade school year over his stutter, clothing, and short haircut. A cousin of the attacker said she was in the same fourth grade class with him, and she corroborated this version of his experience that year. She reported an incident in which another girl in the class tied the attacker’s shoelaces together, resulting in him falling over and injuring his face. The family also reported their belief that some teachers also picked on the attacker and his cousin...

In mid-2021, his relationship with the girlfriend later interviewed by the FBI ended. She described the attacker as lonely and depressed, constantly teased by friends who called him a “school shooter.” She said he told her repeatedly that he wouldn’t live past eighteen, either because he would commit suicide or simply because he “wouldn’t live long

 

Stop bullying, and I think we might be able to prevent some of these events.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Go find a heavy duty door if you have never used one and play around with it and then tell me the lock all of a sudden stopped working. Let it slam in the locked position and tell me what happens. 

Is that what happened to the school door?  I'm not asking for your speculation.  This is like your third interpretation of what happened with that door in order to place blame on that teacher.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Is that what happened to the school door?  I'm not asking for your speculation.  This is like your third interpretation of what happened with that door in order to place blame on that teacher.

Who else should I blame for that door being open? The janitor? Or this fantasy that the lock all of a sudden failed to work. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who else should I blame for that door being open? The janitor? Or this fantasy that the lock all of a sudden failed to work. 

In the case of the exterior door, either the janitor or the principal.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

In the case of the exterior door, either the janitor or the principal.

 

25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I still think a key "reason" for this attack is being glossed over: bullying.  Quote from the report (here, since HT remains allergic to links: http://kens-download.edgesuite.net/archive/assets/pdf/20220717_robb_elementary_committee_interim_report.pdf)

 

 

I read all of that. Bullying is bad. So is his dipshit uncle that went with him to buy guns. Do you think you’re making some sort of counterpoint to me? You’re not. This one isn’t retarded, hence I agree with it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

38 minutes ago, vomit said:

I wish there was an open door in front of a canyon and HT would jump through it.

Like in Game of Thrones when they were going to push the half man through the moon door? Did that upset you? 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

I just watched the video of the shooter entering the building.  Now that's I've seen what the door looks like, there was no way it was going to keep him out even if it was locked.  All he had to do was shoot the window and then open the door.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/columns/2022/07/12/uvalde-shooting-video-austin-american-statesman-editor-investigation-publish/65371937007/

[Alias Detective 1,407]

Robb Elementary students were used to school lockdowns. Between February and May of 2022, the Uvalde, Texas, school had been secured or locked down 47 times. 

But when a lockdown alert came on May 24 — the day an 18-year-old shooter killed 19 students and two teachers — many administrators, teachers and law enforcement responders initially assumed it was like the 47 other lockdowns that happened , a newly-released report by the Texas House of Representatives outlining the most grievous failures during the shooting response concluded.  

Those lockdowns had fostered a culture of complacency at the school, it said. And almost all — 90% — of the previous security alerts earlier in the year came from “bailout” situations, described as when vehicles smuggling migrants lead officers on high-speed chases that often end by crashing the vehicle and allowing the occupants to scatter, the report says. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Know what’s funny? No one here says the cops were just waiting on orders. Everyone thinks they should have acted, orders be damned.  But here’s Mooney, saying it’s not the teachers fault they propped open doors and don’t adhere to safety measures, but their bosses. Clown.  

Know what's funny? HT continually acting like because a door was propped open 5 minutes ago it is automatically unlocked for good. 

Clown

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, vomit said:

He says he's a former cop.  Cops usually defend each other.

I think he just watched a lot of Police Academy growing up. And probably had a badge given to him by McGruff the Crime Dog at a school event once. 

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why would you prop open a door if the lock didn’t work? What your asking me to believe is that the lock stoped working at that very moment. Instead of the teacher ran back in and didn’t assure the lock engaged. See it seems to me that she ran back in,  flung the door open and didn’t make sure it was locked, She just ran.  The lock didn’t all of a sudden stop working.  Nonsense. 

Lots of speculation here that has been refuted numerous times by reports from multiple outlets. You should learn to read. 

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 What a nut I am. 

Finally some honesty from you

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

“This non compliance turned out to be fatal”. 

Sigh. 

[Reality 3,121]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sigh. 

I think we learned our lesson, the locks should be removed. They don't really prevent anything.

Hell, let's get rid of doors, I mean really, what's the point? If somebody wants in, all they have to do is open the door... Who are these idiots that think doors are some sort of deterrent? Simpletons, that's who...

Also, walls? Absurd, what do walls do? 

I'm coming around...

[vomit 502]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

I think we learned our lesson, the locks should be removed. They don't really prevent anything.

Hell, let's get rid of doors, I mean really, what's the point? If somebody wants in, all they have to do is open the door... Who are these idiots that think doors are some sort of deterrent? Simpletons, that's who...

Also, walls? Absurd, what do walls do? 

I'm coming around...

Might as get rid of cops too, they just sat there and sanitized their hands, listening to kids being murdered.

Hell, let's just get rid of schools, eliminate the target.  And then just get rid of kids as well to be safe.

But as long as we don't get rid of guns, cause that would just be stupid.  Guns don't kill people.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

17 minutes ago, Reality said:

I think we learned our lesson, the locks should be removed. They don't really prevent anything.

Hell, let's get rid of doors, I mean really, what's the point? If somebody wants in, all they have to do is open the door... Who are these idiots that think doors are some sort of deterrent? Simpletons, that's who...

Also, walls? Absurd, what do walls do? 

I'm coming around...

Divorced from reality strikes again. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who else should I blame for that door being open? The janitor? Or this fantasy that the lock all of a sudden failed to work. 

The focking door didn't lock when it closed ... what I've read is that it only locks from the outside. It's focking amazing. If this is true, doors like this do not belong on schools. They need replacing and so that failure is on either the school security for not reporting the door situation or else the principal for knowing the door offerend no protection but not buying a new door.

Next up, is that the door is routinely used by staff as a shortcut to the parking lot. This essentially means that it is perennially unlocked while school is in session. That failure is on the principal again for allowing security protocol to be violated and also collectively on the staff who uses that door as a shortcut. That said though, this seems the minor problem and wouldn't even be an issue at all if the door actually functioned as a door. Since the door was focked up though, then there is culpability to be had for the people who used it when it should be locked.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

The exit door doesn’t lock form the inside in case there needs to be an evacuation, like in case of a fire. This is Fockin stupid having to explain this shite. 

[MDC 7,485]

I blame the powerful windows and doors lobby.

Protest Home Depot.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

5 hours ago, vomit said:

He says he's a former cop.  Cops usually defend each other.

Yeah, that’s the only profession that does that. As witnessed here. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

57 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The exit door doesn’t lock form the inside in case there needs to be an evacuation, like in case of a fire. This is Fockin stupid having to explain this shite. 

So we are getting closer to you admitting it wasn't that the door was propped it was that the door wasn't locked and that there isn't really a good way to check that.

And before you and your dummy friends chime in about "well just push it a little...." you really want to have the teacher potentially opening the door for the shooter as they are running towards the building? Look how pissed you are getting about the door being propped open minutes before. 

[edjr 6,608]

Are you nincompoops still arguing about a focking door?  

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Are you nincompoops still arguing about a focking door?  

Ed, you can't fully grasp just how sh*tty this door was and the breadth of stupidity surrounding it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Ed, you can't fully grasp just how sh*tty this door was and the breadth of stupidity surrounding it. 

You need to stop making a big deal that the exit door locks from the outside. Thats not going to change and nor should it. It’s not a problem if people don’t prop open doors and make sure they are shut. Unless you want to have to wait for someone with a key to let you out in case of an emergency evacuation.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So we are getting closer to you admitting it wasn't that the door was propped it was that the door wasn't locked and that there isn't really a good way to check that.

And before you and your dummy friends chime in about "well just push it a little...." you really want to have the teacher potentially opening the door for the shooter as they are running towards the building? Look how pissed you are getting about the door being propped open minutes before. 

I’m not saying that at all. She propped open a locked door, twice. She failed to make sure the door locked when she ran back in. And the shooter went to the back door because having attended the school he knew there was a good chance he could sneak in. There was a culture of not adhering to safety measures, including propping open doors and not locking them, which led to fatalities. That’s what I’m saying.  Also the cops sucked. 

[Reality 3,121]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I blame the powerful windows and doors lobby.

Protest Home Depot.  

Windows are worthless, you can shoot them out.

[Voltaire 5,317]

 

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 She failed to make sure the door locked when she ran back in.

We know that she un-wedged the door and closed it. OK Fair enough.

But after she did that, was she physically capable of locking that door, was there a latch or a knob she could have turned? My understanding is that there wasn't, which is why I'm feeling forgiving. But, if there was a way to secure the door from inside, yet she neglected to utilize it, well, then the blame game shifts heavily onto her shoulders.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

We know that she un-wedged the door and closed it. OK Fair enough.

But after she did that, was she physically capable of locking that door, was there a latch or a knob she could have turned? My understanding is that there wasn't, which is why I'm feeling forgiving. But, if there was a way to secure the door from inside, yet she neglected to utilize it, well, then the blame game shifts heavily onto her shoulders.

If the door didn’t work she wouldn’t have had to prop it open. Unless you’re buying that it just so happened to stop working after she propped it open. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

Windows are worthless, you can shoot them out.

Which one of these retards said that? 

[MDC 7,485]

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

Windows are worthless, you can shoot them out.

That’s what the Sandy Hook shooter did when he found the doors locked. 

 

[Reality 3,121]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s what the Sandy Hook shooter did when he found the doors locked. 

 

Get rid of the doors, they're worthless.

[MDC 7,485]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

Get rid of the doors, they're worthless.

I was going in the opposite direction - no windows!  

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

She failed to make sure the door locked when she ran back in.

How was she suppose to do that in the moment?  The report says she was on the phone after she saw the shooter jump the fence and she went into the building and made sure the door was shut.  How do you make sure the door is locked once you're inside?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

How was she suppose to do that in the moment?  The report says she was on the phone after she saw the shooter jump the fence and she went into the building and made sure the door was shut.  How do you make sure the door is locked once you're inside?

How about you use the right door, not the emergency exit? And if you do, don’t prop it open. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How about you use the right door, not the emergency exit? And if you do, don’t prop it open. 

You keep avoiding the real problem here.  Did the door actually lock properly?  If not then nothing else matters.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You keep avoiding the real problem here.  Did the door actually lock properly?  If not then nothing else matters.

No, the real problem is teachers and staff not adhering to safety measures and doing whatever they want. Like the report found. And often times doors won’t lock when they are slammed. But you know that, right? Tell me you don’t. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, the real problem is teachers and staff not adhering to safety measures and doing whatever they want. Like the report found. 

That was part of the problem.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,500]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That was part of the problem.

Not according to Hack and Mooney. Glad you finally acknowledged it. 

[MDC 7,485]

The real problem is our incredibly lax gun laws. Our almost non existent mental healthcare system is a compounding problem. Other problems are cultural and socioeconomic.

The use/misuse of doors is pretty far down the list.