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9 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

MAGAtards think they can pick and choose governmental responsibility based on their politics, and they have no ability to compromise on issues. 

 

So you are saying that protecting the borders is not part of the federal government's responsibility? 

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On 9/25/2022 at 6:51 PM, dogcows said:

The press does enjoy freedom. They just aren’t saying what YOU want them to say. The media overall is far less biased than the right claims.  The media makes money by appealing to the middle of the road to get the most viewers, and the right-wingers’ ideas and opinions just aren’t that popular. Case in point: banning abortion has long been a top issue for the right, but a large majority of Americans want Roe v Wade back.

Even The NY Times and Washington Post, often accused of being liberal rags, have multiple conservative columnists, and have no problem going after liberals. But her emails! Wouldn’t have been a thing if the MSM didn’t publish stories on it in 2016.

Finally, it’s funny that the right is ok with LAWS banning abortion and banning books. But when they get “shamed” by somebody on TV criticizing their opinions, they somehow think their freedoms are being taken away? The victim mentality is sad and pathetic IMO.

One of the best (of many) examples of the media bias in the US happened recently.    And the comparison is stark.     

Ron Desantis rolls out the "Parents Rights in Education" bill and EVERYWHERE other than Fox is calling it the "Don't Say Gay bill" within 2 weeks or less even though that is a gross misrepresentation of what was in that bill and what its legislation was.   Calling it the "Don't Say Gay Bill" is basically smashing the lib/dem/SJW bees nest with a stick.   

The Dems roll out their climate change/green new deal bill.    They cravenly mis-name it "the Inflation Reduction Act" even though it is almost universally agreed that it won't reduce inflation and any logical analysis of the bill leads to the conclusion that it has almost nothing in it that's even tangentially related to anything that would reduce inflation.    But, again other than Fox, EVERYWHERE it's being referenced as the "Inflation Reduction Act" or "IRA".    

How does one reconcile those two without coming to the conclusion that other than a few small bastions - our media, on-line, entertainment, etc, are all hopelessly biased?  

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3 minutes ago, Masshole said:

One of the best (of many) examples of the media bias in the US happened recently.    And the comparison is stark.     

Ron Desantis rolls out the "Parents Rights in Education" bill and EVERYWHERE other than Fox is calling it the "Don't Say Gay bill" within 2 weeks or less even though that is a gross misrepresentation of what was in that bill and what its legislation was.   Calling it the "Don't Say Gay Bill" is basically smashing the lib/dem/SJW bees nest with a stick.   

The Dems roll out their climate change/green new deal bill.    They cravenly mis-name it "the Inflation Reduction Act" even though it is almost universally agreed that it won't reduce inflation and any logical analysis of the bill leads to the conclusion that it has almost nothing in it that's even tangentially related to anything that would reduce inflation.    But, again other than Fox, EVERYWHERE it's being referenced as the "Inflation Reduction Act" or "IRA".    

How does one reconcile those two without coming to the conclusion that other than a few small bastions - our media, on-line, entertainment, etc, are all hopelessly biased?  

Just ask Biden and his press secretary how that bill will help inflation and when it will kick in to lower inflation and they will dismiss you. 

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On 9/25/2022 at 6:51 PM, dogcows said:

The press does enjoy freedom. They just aren’t saying what YOU want them to say. The media overall is far less biased than the right claims.  The media makes money by appealing to the middle of the road to get the most viewers, and the right-wingers’ ideas and opinions just aren’t that popular. Case in point: banning abortion has long been a top issue for the right, but a large majority of Americans want Roe v Wade back.

Even The NY Times and Washington Post, often accused of being liberal rags, have multiple conservative columnists, and have no problem going after liberals. But her emails! Wouldn’t have been a thing if the MSM didn’t publish stories on it in 2016.

Finally, it’s funny that the right is ok with LAWS banning abortion and banning books. But when they get “shamed” by somebody on TV criticizing their opinions, they somehow think their freedoms are being taken away? The victim mentality is sad and pathetic IMO.

Clearly the media is heavily biased, all of it, to include Fox.  There was a time when Fox was the outlier and everyone knew it.  CNN and others were actually centrist, yes they have liberal tilt but they were not a leftist version of Fox....now they are.

Perhaps we can only agree to disagree.  But to my eyes all of media is failing us. They have lost their way and turned into activist propaganda machines. 

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6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Clearly the media is heavily biased, all of it, to include Fox.  There was a time when Fox was the outlier and everyone knew it.  CNN and others were actually centrist, yes they have liberal tilt but they were not a leftist version of Fox....now they are.

Perhaps we can only agree to disagree.  But to my eyes all of media is failing us. They have lost their way and turned into activist propaganda machines. 

If you ever listen to Fox during the day which I have done for short stints here and there, they are almost middle of the road. They bring on liberal guests and let them speak their minds without attacking them. I didn't hear a severe agenda other than questioning some of the same things everyone questions. 

The night time line up is a lot different. That is opinion TV. 

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On 9/25/2022 at 3:51 PM, dogcows said:

The press does enjoy freedom. They just aren’t saying what YOU want them to say. The media overall is far less biased than the right claims.  The media makes money by appealing to the middle of the road to get the most viewers, and the right-wingers’ ideas and opinions just aren’t that popular. Case in point: banning abortion has long been a top issue for the right, but a large majority of Americans want Roe v Wade back.

Even The NY Times and Washington Post, often accused of being liberal rags, have multiple conservative columnists, and have no problem going after liberals. But her emails! Wouldn’t have been a thing if the MSM didn’t publish stories on it in 2016.

Finally, it’s funny that the right is ok with LAWS banning abortion and banning books. But when they get “shamed” by somebody on TV criticizing their opinions, they somehow think their freedoms are being taken away? The victim mentality is sad and pathetic IMO.

Ya know how we are sitting here on Planet Earth, rotating and hurtling through space, yet we can't feel it?  That is you sitting on Planet Far Left,  thinking you are sitting still while objectively, for instance, in the past two decades we've gone from Obama opposing gay marriage to anyone can marry anyone, call themselves whatever sex they make up that day, associate as an animal or tree, and lop off reproductive organs from minors.  And if you even dare to question any of this, the media either labels you a MAGA Republican$#@! and/or censors you.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Ya know how we are sitting here on Planet Earth, rotating and hurtling through space, yet we can't feel it?  That is you sitting on Planet Far Left,  thinking you are sitting still while objectively, for instance, in the past two decades we've gone from Obama opposing gay marriage to anyone can marry anyone, call themselves whatever sex they make up that day, associate as an animal or tree, and lop off reproductive organs from minors.  And if you even dare to question any of this, the media either labels you a MAGA Republican$#@! and/or censors you.

Oh no, how dare the “media” label somebody? That’s worse than prison! 

And why do you care who marries who if it’s not you? Again, you want to be left alone and for nobody to “label” you for your speech. But you want to use the law to prevent others from marrying who they want?

Seems to me: conservatives are mad that their ideas aren’t popular anymore. Their solution? Use the political power they’ve fought for the past couple decades to impose their view of things on others by passing laws.

The result? Look at abortion: People want their rights back, and so the conservatives’ ideas get even less popular. 

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2 hours ago, craftsman said:

So you are saying that protecting the borders is not part of the federal government's responsibility? 

It is, but you're of the thinking that states need to run themselves when it comes to abortion, so now you're saying yes for abortion but not for border protection.

I'm sure Texor could afford to pay for the rest of the stupid wall, and Florida could put more into protecting its borders as well.

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20 minutes ago, Masshole said:

More "unbiased" media:

 

This is a straight up lie. I scrubbed through the podcast and it specifically mentions multiple times that it was a scam involving African immigrants. (about 20 minutes in if you care to listen)

Might want to check who you follow on Twitter. This particular gummy bear appears to be 🐂💩-flavored. Pretty ironic that his Twitter description includes this gem: “I value intellectual honesty.” 

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10 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It is, but you're of the thinking that states need to run themselves when it comes to abortion, so now you're saying yes for abortion but not for border protection.

I'm sure Texor could afford to pay for the rest of the stupid wall, and Florida could put more into protecting its borders as well.

Florida borders. Lol. You mean the ocean and Georgia and Alabama? What a maroon. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Florida borders. Lol. You mean the ocean and Georgia and Alabama?

Which makes DeSantis’ stunt just plain stupid. He saw that Greg Abbott was getting all the press, so he decided to try and copy him. 

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17 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It is, but you're of the thinking that states need to run themselves when it comes to abortion, so now you're saying yes for abortion but not for border protection.

I'm sure Texor could afford to pay for the rest of the stupid wall, and Florida could put more into protecting its borders as well

It's not up to the federal government to dictate abortion laws in each state. As per the supreme court. 

And sure. We can let each state fend for themselves. They just have to deal with Texas sending them illegals. 

 

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8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Which makes DeSantis’ stunt just plain stupid. He saw that Greg Abbott was getting all the press, so he decided to try and copy him. 

Worked out great.  It’s a very popular move. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Worked out great.  It’s a very popular move. 

Of course. He appeals most to the lowest common denominator: People not willing to put in the mental energy to see it for the pointless manipulative stunt it was. And possibly some who know it’s BS, but don’t care because they think he’s “owning the libs.”

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Just now, dogcows said:

Of course. He appeals most to the lowest common denominator: People not willing to put in the mental energy to see it for the pointless manipulative stunt it was. And possibly some who know it’s BS, but don’t care because they think he’s “owning the libs.”

I don’t think it’s pointless. It’s right on point, showing that the border crisis has no affect on wealthy liberal areas even though they cause it. 

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Of course. He appeals most to the lowest common denominator: People not willing to put in the mental energy to see it for the pointless manipulative stunt it was. And possibly some who know it’s BS, but don’t care because they think he’s “owning the libs.”

Why do your keep referring to your own party? We know he's owning you all.

Why should Texas have to take on all 4 million+ illegals all on their own when they didn't vote for open borders? 

What are they supposed to do? Stuff them all in a barn? Martha's Vineyard can't handle 50?

Why do you liberals make it so easy to make you look like total dumbasses? 

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51 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Oh no, how dare the “media” label somebody? That’s worse than prison! 

And why do you care who marries who if it’s not you? Again, you want to be left alone and for nobody to “label” you for your speech. But you want to use the law to prevent others from marrying who they want?

Seems to me: conservatives are mad that their ideas aren’t popular anymore. Their solution? Use the political power they’ve fought for the past couple decades to impose their view of things on others by passing laws.

The result? Look at abortion: People want their rights back, and so the conservatives’ ideas get even less popular. 

Again you focus on a shiny object and not the point.  I don't care who marries who; it was an example in the progression from Democrats including Saint Barack opposing gay marriage to where we are today, the purpose of which was to illustrate to you that your perspective that the media hasn't moved left has no basis in reality.  HTH

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Again you focus on a shiny object and not the point.  I don't care who marries who; it was an example in the progression from Democrats including Saint Barack opposing gay marriage to where we are today, the purpose of which was to illustrate to you that your perspective that the media hasn't moved left has no basis in reality.  HTH

Why not just say that then, instead of complaining about censorship?

Attitudes in America have changed rather quickly when it comes to same-sex relationships. I think that’s a good thing, and it’s mostly because gay people came out of the closet, lots of people found out they had gay friends and/or family members, and we as a society decided to embrace them instead of excluding them.

If I’m getting this right, you seem to think everybody would be a conservative if it weren’t for the pesky media brainwashing them into being liberal? Certainly an interesting theory. Who is orchestrating it then? What is their nefarious plan? How do you explain all the organically-sprouting trends on Tik-Tok among kids who don’t even watch traditional media?

Times change. Kids in 30 years will be doing stuff that their parents who are kids now think is too progressive. It’s how it goes. Attempting to fight it or blame it on a media cabal is a fool’s errand.

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2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why not just say that then, instead of complaining about censorship?

Attitudes in America have changed rather quickly when it comes to same-sex relationships. I think that’s a good thing, and it’s mostly because gay people came out of the closet, lots of people found out they had gay friends and/or family members, and we as a society decided to embrace them instead of excluding them.

If I’m getting this right, you seem to think everybody would be a conservative if it weren’t for the pesky media brainwashing them into being liberal? Certainly an interesting theory. Who is orchestrating it then? What is their nefarious plan? How do you explain all the organically-sprouting trends on Tik-Tok among kids who don’t even watch traditional media?

Times change. Kids in 30 years will be doing stuff that their parents who are kids now think is too progressive. It’s how it goes. Attempting to fight it or blame it on a media cabal is a fool’s errand.

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10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why not just say that then, instead of complaining about censorship?

Attitudes in America have changed rather quickly when it comes to same-sex relationships. I think that’s a good thing, and it’s mostly because gay people came out of the closet, lots of people found out they had gay friends and/or family members, and we as a society decided to embrace them instead of excluding them.

If I’m getting this right, you seem to think everybody would be a conservative if it weren’t for the pesky media brainwashing them into being liberal? Certainly an interesting theory. Who is orchestrating it then? What is their nefarious plan? How do you explain all the organically-sprouting trends on Tik-Tok among kids who don’t even watch traditional media?

Times change. Kids in 30 years will be doing stuff that their parents who are kids now think is too progressive. It’s how it goes. Attempting to fight it or blame it on a media cabal is a fool’s errand.

Again, gay marriage is your shiny object. Part of the progression.  Move forward to today when the media tells us we should affirm kids who want to castrate themselves, or identify as animals, etc.  If you dare propose any contrary opinion to the woke movement, you are labeled or censored.

BTW to your Tik Tok point, "media" includes social media.

I'm confident you'll find some shiny object nit to gnash your teeth into like the yip yip dog you are, but I wonder if somewhere inside you, you recognize that you are on Planet Far Left, as are the MSM and social media censors, so you think this is all normal.  :dunno: 

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43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Again, gay marriage is your shiny object. Part of the progression.  Move forward to today when the media tells us we should affirm kids who want to castrate themselves, or identify as animals, etc.  If you dare propose any contrary opinion to the woke movement, you are labeled or censored.

BTW to your Tik Tok point, "media" includes social media.

I'm confident you'll find some shiny object nit to gnash your teeth into like the yip yip dog you are, but I wonder if somewhere inside you, you recognize that you are on Planet Far Left, as are the MSM and social media censors, so you think this is all normal.  :dunno: 

I’m not sure what you mean by planet far left. But you are definitely tossing out inflammatory falsehoods and exaggerations about transgender people (a group less than 1% of the population), for what reason i don’t know. If being on a “far left” planet means I don’t engage in such attacks, then I’m happy to be labeled as such.

As for the censorship whining: Actually look at Twitter sometime. Countless right-wing posts on there. But when somebody posts something violent or dangerous or breaks some other rule, we see false claims that right wingers are being oppressed by social media censors. What a focking crock of 💩. The right acts like they are tough, but all I ever see or hear from them is “I’m being oppressed!” Nobody gives a crap. You clearly have freedom of speech which you are exercising right here on this forum. I can be as far left as I want and you can be as far right as you want. Nobody is censoring you.

I’ve seen the whining about the liberal media for decades. In all that time, the people complaining about it have never given any evidence that all media companies are part of some secret society pushing an agenda. They can’t fathom the idea that the ideas they label as “far left” are actually quite popular, not just in America, but across much of the world. Even Giorgia Meloni, the new Italian prime minister, being praised by American conservatives, is supportive of government health care and abortion access.

American conservatives are to the right of most conservatives across Europe. So their cries of “far left” need to be seen from that perspective. When one is so far to the right, the opinions popular with the majority seem very far left indeed.

Finally, somebody who complains about being labeled seems to have no problem labeling others.

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7 hours ago, dogcows said:

Of course. He appeals most to the lowest common denominator: People not willing to put in the mental energy to see it for the pointless manipulative stunt it was. And possibly some who know it’s BS, but don’t care because they think he’s “owning the libs.”

did you care when Biden was flying illegals all over the country?

 

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why is it that we can have a literal ex-nazi serve as secretary general of the UN from 1972-1981 (kurt waldheim) and no one cares, but someone near desantis has a photo as a kkk member and its huge news?  

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6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

did you care when Biden was flying illegals all over the country?

 

Of course not.  Remember how the media suppressed it and the WH laughed it off, even when they first started a commensurate action remember how Psaki was in full support and laughed it off as if people were playing right into their design....

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16 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

did you care when Biden was flying illegals all over the country?

 

Yes, I approve since he was transporting them to be with family members or to attend court dates. Abbott should have been similarly productive with his bus campaign. Coordinate with the appropriate agencies and get people where they need to go. It gets them out of Texas, but it doesn’t drop people on random street corners, which causes unnecessary problems.

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2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Yes, I approve since he was transporting them to be with family members or to attend court dates. Abbott should have been similarly productive with his bus campaign. Coordinate with the appropriate agencies and get people where they need to go. It gets them out of Texas, but it doesn’t drop people on random street corners, which causes unnecessary problems.

Really? How come the NYC shelter system is overrun with illegals? They have to build a 1k person tent facility on orchard beach in the Bronx to help handle the overflow. 

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On 9/21/2022 at 9:15 AM, dogcows said:

This is inaccurate. There’s nothing in the 1951 or 1967 UN agreements saying refugees need to stop in the first safe country. Here is a summary of the UN agreements:

https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/about-us/background/4ec262df9/1951-convention-relating-status-refugees-its-1967-protocol.html

And some info addressing points similar to the one you raised about the first safe country:

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

If you'd like to educate yourself - here's a short 15 min podcast that completely debunks the idea that the people Desantis sent to the Vineyard were here legally:

The Byron York Show: Yes, Illegal Border Crossers Are Breaking The Law on Apple Podcasts

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It is comical, bordering on sad, the matriculations liberals use to try to defend their vile actions and stances.  I mean, encouraging these people to stream across the border, be taken advantage of by cartels, risk death and rape, only to arrive without announcing their pending arrival and face really horrible situations, have no place to go or job...

And in true liberal form, that are all talk....  illegals get sent to "sanctuary" cities who pretend that they will step up and take care of them, but in reality they want no part of the minor numbers....essentially say fock off to Texas and Florida....when they should all be turning to Biden and demanding he stop this sh!t

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3 hours ago, Masshole said:

If you'd like to educate yourself - here's a short 15 min podcast that completely debunks the idea that the people Desantis sent to the Vineyard were here legally:

The Byron York Show: Yes, Illegal Border Crossers Are Breaking The Law on Apple Podcasts

Byron York is an idiot. Listening to him is the opposite of education.

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Byron York is an idiot. Listening to him is the opposite of education.

Typical, can't dispute what he says so you name call. Case closed. 

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3 hours ago, RLLD said:

It is comical, bordering on sad, the matriculations liberals use to try to defend their vile actions and stances.  I mean, encouraging these people to stream across the border, be taken advantage of by cartels, risk death and rape, only to arrive without announcing their pending arrival and face really horrible situations, have no place to go or job...

And in true liberal form, that are all talk....  illegals get sent to "sanctuary" cities who pretend that they will step up and take care of them, but in reality they want no part of the minor numbers....essentially say fock off to Texas and Florida....when they should all be turning to Biden and demanding he stop this sh!t

What’s ACTUALLY funny is that you believe Biden is encouraging migrants to stream across the border. Look at Biden’s actions regarding the border. He kept Title 42 in place far longer than it was supposed to be. He sent a million people right back out of the country as soon as they came in.

He also suspended rules that had limited the arrest and deportation of immigrants.

For those that don’t want to dig into the details, you can just sit back and say “Biden’s border invasion.” But, maybe as a disappointment to liberals, Biden hasn’t changed much from Trump’s border policies.

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6 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Typical, can't dispute what he says so you name call. Case closed. 

Typical: somebody tells me that Byron York can “educate” me. Now that’s funny.

Why don’t you listen to this treatise on immigration from Carrot Top. It will truly educate you.

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5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

What’s ACTUALLY funny is that you believe Biden is encouraging migrants to stream across the border. Look at Biden’s actions regarding the border. He kept Title 42 in place far longer than it was supposed to be. He sent a million people right back out of the country as soon as they came in.

He also suspended rules that had limited the arrest and deportation of immigrants.

For those that don’t want to dig into the details, you can just sit back and say “Biden’s border invasion.” But, maybe as a disappointment to liberals, Biden hasn’t changed much from Trump’s border policies.

Right, so you believe the immigrants that say "We were tricked into getting bussed", but you don't believe the immigrants who say "The borders are open".  Got it.

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3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Right, so you believe the immigrants that say "We were tricked into getting bussed", but you don't believe the immigrants who say "The borders are open".  Got it.

All he has to do is compare the 4 million let into this country in the past year and a half to prior to him. Think of it, a MILLION gotaways in that short amount of time. 

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

What’s ACTUALLY funny is that you believe Biden is encouraging migrants to stream across the border. Look at Biden’s actions regarding the border. He kept Title 42 in place far longer than it was supposed to be. He sent a million people right back out of the country as soon as they came in.

He also suspended rules that had limited the arrest and deportation of immigrants.

For those that don’t want to dig into the details, you can just sit back and say “Biden’s border invasion.” But, maybe as a disappointment to liberals, Biden hasn’t changed much from Trump’s border policies.

Right.  You think his behaviors are not.  This demonstrates both a clear lack of understanding of human nature as well as a willful ignorance, given that immigrants have stated they came because of Biden. You can pretend all you want, just like the rest of the liberals who lie to themselves and to us about immigration, inflation, Russian Collusion...all of it, constant lies. 

Biden has directly reversed all of the Trump era things that worked, that is why its so bad right now.  Biden screwed us on energy policy, just everything.

Feel free to pretend to your hearts content of course.  The American people are not stupid enough to buy into your lies or those of the White House and others, and we are about to remove the Democrat majority and its pathetic policies, and then Biden will be bounced, and we can put back all the things that were working so well.

As an added benefit, all those people crossing the border that the leftists assume will become Democrat voters are actually social and economic conservatives. They will be conservative voters, the Democrats are screwing themselves, thank god. 

 

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40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right.  You think his behaviors are not.  This demonstrates both a clear lack of understanding of human nature as well as a willful ignorance, given that immigrants have stated they came because of Biden. You can pretend all you want, just like the rest of the liberals who lie to themselves and to us about immigration, inflation, Russian Collusion...all of it, constant lies. 

Biden has directly reversed all of the Trump era things that worked, that is why its so bad right now.  Biden screwed us on energy policy, just everything.

Feel free to pretend to your hearts content of course.  The American people are not stupid enough to buy into your lies or those of the White House and others, and we are about to remove the Democrat majority and its pathetic policies, and then Biden will be bounced, and we can put back all the things that were working so well.

As an added benefit, all those people crossing the border that the leftists assume will become Democrat voters are actually social and economic conservatives. They will be conservative voters, the Democrats are screwing themselves, thank god. 

 

There’s a lot to unpack here.. too much for me to go through it all. I will just say I agree that the immigration situation is not good. But it will take Congressional action to fix it.

I will also add that I believe some of the reasoning used here has too much reliance on notions of human nature or common sense. Data is a much better measure, because it turns out a lot of things that seem intuitive to us turn out to be counterintuitive. That human flaw goes way back to the time of Galileo (and before) when people assumed heavier objects would fall faster than lighter ones.

As for Democrats losing? It’s looking like they keep the Senate in 2022. And a lot of things can happen between now and 2024, so who knows what will happen then?

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