Alex Jones ordered to pay $1 billion

[Shooter McGavin 618]

15 minutes ago, Masshole said:

I'd be interested in reading that.   But it's behind a paywall and there is no way I am giving even 1 penny of my money to the NYT.     

In case you're interested, there are ways around paywalls.

 

5 Ways You Can Still Get Around the New York Times Paywall

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2. Use an incognito window in Chrome. ...
3. Search for the link on Twitter. ...
4. Use the NYClean bookmark. ...

 

Alex Jones began lying about the Sandy Hook shooting within hours after it occurred and continued until he was sued. But because Mr. Jones was removed from virtually all major social media platforms in 2018 and refused to provide evidence in the Sandy Hook litigation, lawyers for the families had to dig deep to show the jury what he actually said about the shooting on his radio and online show.

Some of the clips existed on other social media accounts; some were retrieved from an old Infowars feed unearthed by Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes, whose comedy podcast, “Knowledge Fight,” analyzes Jones’s mendacious broadcasts and his role in American conspiracy theories.

Mr. Jones’s Sandy Hook commentary went on for years. Here is a small sampling of what he said:

• “My gut is, with the timing and everything that happened, this is staged. And you know I’ve been saying the last few months, get ready for big mass shootings, and then magically, it happens.”

• “Folks, we got to get private investigators up to Sandy Hook right now. Because I’m telling you this — this stinks to highest heaven.”

• “We’re sorry for everybody’s losses, whatever. We’re investigating this, though.”

• “It’s as phony as a $3 bill.”

• “You’ve got parents laughing — ‘hahaha’ — and then they walk over to the camera and go ‘boo hoo hoo,’ and not just one but a bunch of parents doing this and then photos of kids that are still alive they said died? I mean, they think we’re so dumb.”

• “Why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag — to get control! Why do governments stage these things — to get our guns! Why can’t people get that through their head?”

• “I watched the footage, and it looks like a drill.”

After Robbie Parker, whose daughter Emilie died at Sandy Hook, gave a news conference the night after the shooting, Mr. Jones said:

• “You know, after you lose your daughter, they put you on some antidepressants or something, but I thought those take a month to kick in. I mean, it’s like a look of absolute satisfaction, like he’s about to accept an Oscar.”

• “It looks like he’s saying, ‘OK, do I read off the card?’ He’s laughing, and then he goes over and starts basically breaking down and crying.”

[Shooter McGavin 618]

13 minutes ago, Big Guy said:

do you always answer a question with a question?

 

I didn't think your questions were valid, but I'll play along

what rock are you hiding under? - I'm not hiding under a rock

and what does free speech mean to you? - Free speech is the first amendment under the constitution.

It's happening all around us, have you not noticed? - It's not happening, at all.  What is happening is certain platforms are finding certain speech harmful, and they are eliminating it, which they have every right, or even a responsibility, to do so.  Free Speech as protected under the constitution has not changed.

[Mike Honcho 5,270]

If AJ held a car washed every car in the US for 3 bucks a pop, that would almost cover what he owes.

[Fnord 2,264]

2 hours ago, Big Guy said:

what rock are you hiding under?

and what does free speech mean to you?

It's happening all around us, have you not noticed?

No one is stopping you from saying whatever the hell you want. But there are laws against slander, and Jones broke them.

Lots of people seem to think that 1A means you can say whatever you want without consequence. That's not what it says. I don't endorse most forms of so-called cancel culture, but lots of the uproar over that are due to this same misunderstanding of what 1A means. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

No one is stopping you from saying whatever the hell you want. But there are laws against slander, and Jones broke them.

Lots of people seem to think that 1A means you can say whatever you want without consequence. That's not what it says. I don't endorse most forms of so-called cancel culture, but lots of the uproar over that are due to this same misunderstanding of what 1A means. 

word

Big Guy is not educated.  He just repeats online BS

[Masshole 642]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Your loss. They have lots of good stuff. Yeah you might be exposed to some horrible lefty opinions that’ll upset your poor snowflake emotions, but there’s also lots of good articles on science and technology, the arts, business, etc.

The NYT is a hulking shadow of its former self, which was never as great as they pumped it up to be anyway.    It has been at the forefront and a major player in every significant political hoax and dirty trick in the last 30 yrs, or more.   Its staff is polluted with over-educated, under-experienced hive brains who think and write in lockstep.    Until it changes the trajectory that it's been on I will not financially support anything it does.    Yes, there is some content that is valuable that I will miss.   That's the price to pay.    

[Masshole 642]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

In case you're interested, there are ways around paywalls.

 

5 Ways You Can Still Get Around the New York Times Paywall

1. Google the headline. This also works for the Wall Street Journal paywall. ...
2. Use an incognito window in Chrome. ...
3. Search for the link on Twitter. ...
4. Use the NYClean bookmark. ...

 

Alex Jones began lying about the Sandy Hook shooting within hours after it occurred and continued until he was sued. But because Mr. Jones was removed from virtually all major social media platforms in 2018 and refused to provide evidence in the Sandy Hook litigation, lawyers for the families had to dig deep to show the jury what he actually said about the shooting on his radio and online show.

Some of the clips existed on other social media accounts; some were retrieved from an old Infowars feed unearthed by Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes, whose comedy podcast, “Knowledge Fight,” analyzes Jones’s mendacious broadcasts and his role in American conspiracy theories.

Mr. Jones’s Sandy Hook commentary went on for years. Here is a small sampling of what he said:

• “My gut is, with the timing and everything that happened, this is staged. And you know I’ve been saying the last few months, get ready for big mass shootings, and then magically, it happens.”

• “Folks, we got to get private investigators up to Sandy Hook right now. Because I’m telling you this — this stinks to highest heaven.”

• “We’re sorry for everybody’s losses, whatever. We’re investigating this, though.”

• “It’s as phony as a $3 bill.”

• “You’ve got parents laughing — ‘hahaha’ — and then they walk over to the camera and go ‘boo hoo hoo,’ and not just one but a bunch of parents doing this and then photos of kids that are still alive they said died? I mean, they think we’re so dumb.”

• “Why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag — to get control! Why do governments stage these things — to get our guns! Why can’t people get that through their head?”

• “I watched the footage, and it looks like a drill.”

After Robbie Parker, whose daughter Emilie died at Sandy Hook, gave a news conference the night after the shooting, Mr. Jones said:

• “You know, after you lose your daughter, they put you on some antidepressants or something, but I thought those take a month to kick in. I mean, it’s like a look of absolute satisfaction, like he’s about to accept an Oscar.”

• “It looks like he’s saying, ‘OK, do I read off the card?’ He’s laughing, and then he goes over and starts basically breaking down and crying.”

4 reactions:

Bad taste and classless.   I've stated many times that AJ went too far with what he said about SH.   

I am always leery about quotes taken out of context.   What was the question AJ was answering with those quotes?  What did he say after those quotes?    

Thats a billion dollar's worth of defamation?  

Still no evidence linking AJ to the harassment of the parents. 

 

I do appreciate the "how-to" on how to get around paywalls.   Thanks!

[GutterBoy 2,899]

 

[jonmx 2,429]

It is horrible day in the US when questioning the official story in the US is no longer protected speech but treated as criminal.  The unelected authoritarian portion of our government is using the full force of government to imprison whistleblowers, shutdown alternative media, spy on citizens, and censor and control all information available to its citizens.

Bootlickers who fear freedom will celebrate this.  True Americans will get mad and fight to win back this country and hold those unelected rogue bastards accountable for their abuse of power.  

   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

 

No fan of Jones, but quoting that kid? Come on Gutterboy.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Look at this blubbering boyo piece of sh!t. Sell off those assets, ya stoopid fat fock! Eat a bag of cacks!

[seafoam1 3,020]

9 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Look at this blubbering boyo piece of sh!t. Sell off those assets, ya stoopid fat fock! Eat a bag of cacks!

 

Yeah. We all see you. Another fat, old, blubbering cat lady. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

He should never have to pay a dime 

[torridjoe 48]

It’s a pretty good marker of your character, people who support this absolute turd or his right to broadcast what he did. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

He should never have to pay a dime 

You just become a bigger POS everyday. Congrats.

[seafoam1 3,020]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

You just become a bigger POS everyday. Congrats.

I bet you practice saying this in the mirror every morning. 

Yet another liberal dumbass with nothing to live for in life. 

[TimHauck 2,868]

On 6/2/2024 at 8:31 AM, jonmx said:

It is horrible day in the US when questioning the official story in the US is no longer protected speech but treated as criminal.  The unelected authoritarian portion of our government is using the full force of government to imprison whistleblowers, shutdown alternative media, spy on citizens, and censor and control all information available to its citizens.

Bootlickers who fear freedom will celebrate this.  True Americans will get mad and fight to win back this country and hold those unelected rogue bastards accountable for their abuse of power.  

   

 

6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

He should never have to pay a dime 

Do you guys think we should get rid of the ability to sue for defamation?  I’m sure you were all for it (as was I) for Nick Sandmann.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Do you guys think we should get rid of the ability to sue for defamation?  I’m sure you were all for it (as was I) for Nick Sandmann.

I don’t this was defamation. I think a person is allowed to believe in conspiracies no matter how stupid they are. And they should be protected to discuss those conspiracies. 
 

Comparing this to sandmann is a farce

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You just become a bigger POS everyday. Congrats.

Congrats on once again proving you don’t support the constitution. 
 

I don’t support anything jones said. I support his right to say it 

I don’t support the kkk. I support their right to exist and protest 

[BeachGuy23 642]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Congrats on once again proving you don’t support the constitution. 
 

I don’t support anything jones said. I support his right to say it 

I don’t support the kkk. I support their right to exist and protest 

What if he what he says puts people in danger or causes others to be harassed?

He still ok  saying whatever he wants unfettered? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What if he what he says puts people in danger or causes others to be harassed?

He still ok  saying whatever he wants unfettered? 

if other people act off someone talking about a conspiracy, thats on that person to act, unless you call to action

I think Jones is an idiot for what he said

but if I say I think Trump and Biden are both focking tools who should just die already, and did a podcast on it, and someone went out and made that happen would that make me liable?

[TimHauck 2,868]

22 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I don’t this was defamation. I think a person is allowed to believe in conspiracies no matter how stupid they are. And they should be protected to discuss those conspiracies. 
 

Comparing this to sandmann is a farce

How is it different than Sandmann?  Because it was the media that defamed Sandmann?  Are you saying Jones isn’t part of the media?

[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

if other people act off someone talking about a conspiracy, thats on that person to act, unless you call to action

I think Jones is an idiot for what he said

but if I say I think Trump and Biden are both focking tools who should just die already, and did a podcast on it, and someone went out and made that happen would that make me liable?

If you have millions of listeners and fan the flams with your unrelenting CT, then yes that would make you liable.

The whole shouting fire in a crowded movie idea boyo.  Free speech is free speech until it is not protected from government restrictions. The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats.

I think we'd all agree that the sociopath Jones's speech fell squarely into the highlighted. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How is it different than Sandmann?  Because it was the media that defamed Sandmann?  Are you saying Jones isn’t part of the media?

how did alex jones defame them by talking about the shooting being a hoax?

has anyone else discussed a conspiracy been sued into oblivion? is talking about the moon landing hoax a defamation case?

I guess I would be ok with a minimal monetary settlement, but 1 billion, cmon, thats what makes it farcical. If it had been like 1 mil per family, something sensible, I could see that being rationalized

[GutterBoy 2,899]

27 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Congrats on once again proving you don’t support the constitution. 
 

I don’t support anything jones said. I support his right to say it 

I don’t support the kkk. I support their right to exist and protest 

He does have a right to say it, and the families have a right to take all his money for defamation.  Get it?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

how did alex jones defame them by talking about the shooting being a hoax?

has anyone else discussed a conspiracy been sued into oblivion?

I guess I would be ok with a minimal monetary settlement, but 1 billion, cmon, thats what makes it farcical. If it had been like 1 mil per family, something sensible, I could see that being rationalized

It's was split between multiple families.  These families received death threats for years about this.  Learn something.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

He does have a right to say it, and the families have a right to take all his money for defamation.  Get it?

I disagree with that, get it?

I dont think 1 billion$ is rational, it screams hoax itself, it was used as a tool to attempt to silence someone

if it was 10 mil or 20, thats a rational settlement

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

It's was split between multiple families.  These families received death threats for years about this.  Learn something.

yah I know that, death threats should be considered serious, and I support the people WHO MADE THOSE DEATH THREATS BEING SUED AND IMPRISONED

[TimHauck 2,868]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I disagree with that, get it?

I dont think 1 billion$ is rational, it screams hoax itself, it was used as a tool to attempt to silence someone

if it was 10 mil or 20, thats a rational settlement

 

So you don’t think it was defamation, but also that you would’ve been okay with 10-20 million?  Huh?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you don’t think it was defamation, but also that you would’ve been okay with 10-20 million?  Huh?

First it was never pay a dime, then it went to a few million.  First it was freedom of speech, then it's very serious and he should be sued.  Dude is dizzy

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you don’t think it was defamation, but also that you would’ve been okay with 10-20 million?  Huh?

I dont think its defamation, but hey if thats what he was found guilty of it so be it, I do think that the settlement doesn't match the crime, the amount awarded is more than if he ACTUALLY killed the kids would have been

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

First it was never pay a dime, then it went to a few million.  First it was freedom of speech, then it's very serious and he should be sued.  Dude is dizzy

I think he has the right to say whatever he wants, I also think people can attempt to sue whenever they want, get it?

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

I think he has the right to say whatever he wants, I also think people can attempt to sue whenever they want, get it?

 

We agree.  Done.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Also if he actually killed the kids he'd be in jail.

[seafoam1 3,020]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Also if he actually killed the kids he'd be in jail.

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

There is a documentary about this on max, pretty good.  One of the reasons the penalty was so high was because of the amount of money Jones made off this lie.  He peddled snake oil to everyone who tuned in to listen to his BS, and then followers went after the families. Let this be a lesson to every other POS.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Also if he actually killed the kids he'd be in jail.

can someone in jail be sued for something like that?

wrongful death?

[TimHauck 2,868]

30 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

how did alex jones defame them by talking about the shooting being a hoax?

has anyone else discussed a conspiracy been sued into oblivion? is talking about the moon landing hoax a defamation case?

IANAL but I’m sure there would be a case for Neil Armstrong’s family to sue someone with a platform that says the moon landing was a hoax (so, not @Cdub100 even though he thinks the moon landing wasn’t real either).  But they’re not mourning the murder of their child in elementary school so there’s probably a little less motivation there.

[Cdub100 3,907]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

IANAL but I’m sure there would be a case for Neil Armstrong’s family to sue someone with a platform that says the moon landing was a hoax (so, not @Cdub100 even though he thinks the moon landing wasn’t real either).  But they’re not mourning the murder of their child in elementary school so there’s probably a little less motivation there.

Thanks for tagging me boyo boy

[TimHauck 2,868]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Thanks for tagging me boyo boy

I know it annoys you so I’m going to start doing it more often.  I see you’re not denying it though.  @Cdub100 is a Holocaust denier.

[Cdub100 3,907]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I know it annoys you so I’m going to start doing it more often.  I see you’re not denying it though.  @Cdub100 is a Holocaust denier.

It doesn't bother me. I notice you and a couple of other boyo boyz love to tag me and try and bring me into threads I'm not participating in. Just like a notice other things.