Ohio toxic train derailment

[Bert 1,128]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

stop blaming trump.   biden is in year 3 of his term.  thats a long time to look at everything and change policy.

Maybe they should look at all the unions and the over priced sh!tty work they provide.

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1 hour ago, Bert said:

Maybe they should look at all the unions and the over priced sh!tty work they provide.

The one that tried to strike based on poor working conditions but was forced to go back? 

[Strike 5,570]

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“I am very interested in getting to know the residents of East Palestine, hearing from them about how they’ve been impacted and communicating with them about the steps that we’re taking,” Buttigieg said on a Monday call, adding that he had referred to past common practices of transportation secretaries by deferring first to the National Safety Transportation Board after a major disaster like the derailment. “But yes, when the time is right, I do plan to visit East Palestine. I don’t have a date for you right now.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/21/politics/pete-buttigieg-east-palestine-rail-safety/index.html

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To be fair, I wouldn't want to go to East Palestine until after the toxic fallout clears either. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

On 2/15/2023 at 2:41 PM, zsasz said:

Meh.  Don't really feel much sympathy for a  county/area that votes so rigidly against their best interests in the manner that this area of OH does.  Hopefully, some people will come to the realization that the Republican Party isn't looking out for their best interests.....but I won't hold my breath*. I am looking forward to them NOT taking any Federal money and pulling themselves up by their bootstraps though.  

 

* Something these clowns should probably be doing.  

How come none of you liberals called this out? 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,871]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/21/politics/pete-buttigieg-east-palestine-rail-safety/index.html

Father Trump will be there tomorrow.  

[BuckSwope 654]

42 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Father Trump will be there tomorrow.  

He is safe.  After that many Filet O Fish meals, I don't think anything can kill that man. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,871]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

He is safe.  After that many Filet O Fish meals, I don't think anything can kill that man. 

He defeated the worst strain of China Virus in hours.   He’ll be fine.  

[TimHauck 2,906]

7 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

 

 

Didn't realize a train carrying vinyl chloride derailed in Paulsboro, NJ in 2012 and the town was evacuated for 3 weeks.  I grew up about 15 miles from there.   But I wouldn't rule out that potential health issues are instead from the oil refinery that's located there...

https://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/2013/06/six_months_after_train_wreck_vinyl_chloride_testing_continues_in_paulsboro.html

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[GutterBoy 2,899]

Republicans don't care about poor white people.

You voted for this.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

dewine continues to sabotage the GOP, ever since he was in the gang of 14.  he is aligned with the mccains and romneys of the world.  he absolutely does not speak for me or others who stand against liberalism.

[RogerDodger 798]

On 2/21/2023 at 12:53 PM, Tree of Knowledge said:

Father Trump will be there tomorrow.  

 

 

[TimHauck 2,906]

Thanks Trump, good thing I voted for him

[Tree of Knowledge 1,871]

2 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

 

 

Great American.  Ohio will always be MAGA Country 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

It’s very sad that these people continue to worship Trump. Of course they have the right to do so. But he is the man most responsible for their suffering. If he hadn’t removed Obama’s train regulations this calamity likely would never have happened. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It’s very sad that these people continue to worship Trump. Of course they have the right to do so. But he is the man most responsible for their suffering. If he hadn’t removed Obama’s train regulations this calamity likely would never have happened. 

Oh, they came out with the cause of the derailment already? I figured that investigation would take some time. What did the investigators say? 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, they came out with the cause of the derailment already? I figured that investigation would take some time. What did the investigators say? 

I’m putting two and two together. Do you think that’s unreasonable? The specific regulations that Trump removed involved trains transporting hazardous materials. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, they came out with the cause of the derailment already? I figured that investigation would take some time. What did the investigators say? 

They said TDS

trump derailment syndrome 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m putting two and two together. Do you think that’s unreasonable? The specific regulations that Trump removed involved trains transporting hazardous materials. 

So Biden has every opportunity to overturn that. Just like he did with every other trump policy. And he didn’t.

2+2 always = orange man bad

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So Biden has every opportunity to overturn that. Just like he did with every other trump policy. And he didn’t. 

I agree that he is responsible as well. (Though in point of fact, creating regulations is much more difficult than removing them.) 

But that doesn’t remove Trump’s culpability. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m putting two and two together. Do you think that’s unreasonable? The specific regulations that Trump removed involved trains transporting hazardous materials. 

Well, you presented it as fact, but it turns out it’s just your unbiased speculation. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I agree that he is responsible as well. (Though in point of fact, creating regulations is much more difficult than removing them.) 

But that doesn’t remove Trump’s culpability. 

Constant partisan bs. When able blame someone else. Biden never takes responsibility for anything. So why should his supporters 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, they came out with the cause of the derailment already? I figured that investigation would take some time. What did the investigators say? 

Asked if ECP brakes would have made a difference in East Palestine, Ditmeyer said: "There would not have been that huge pile up of cars coming from the rear that piled and caused ruptures and fires. So, yes, there is a very high likelihood that there would be significantly less damage."

https://www.wtae.com/article/east-palestine-derailment-electronic-brakes-dot/43013996

[Strike 5,570]

27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s very sad that these people continue to worship Trump. Of course they have the right to do so. But he is the man most responsible for their suffering. If he hadn’t removed Obama’s train regulations this calamity likely would never have happened. 

Tim,

  I know being ignorant is your claim to fame, and I'll keep calling you out for it, but instead of just listening to soundbites you might want to do some actual, you know, research in to issues, lest I keep roasting you over and over.  On this issue, here is an excerpt from the full article that I am also linking.  I will bold the most important part.  Oh, and linking to sources that form your opinions might also help, but linking to Rachael Maddow's podcast might not so never mind that one.

 

 

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In an email, an NTSB spokesperson told VERIFY the train involved in the Ohio derailment was not equipped with ECP brakes. On Feb. 16, NTSB chair Jennifer Homendy addressed misinformation spreading about the derailment on Twitter.

Homendy directly acknowledged that the ECP brake rule would not have prevented the crash if implemented because the train that derailed in East Palestine was a mixed freight train that contained only three placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars. Homendy said the ECP braking rule would have applied only to high-hazard flammable trains.

“This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes,” Homendy said.

 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/ohio-train-derailment-ecp-brake-system-mandate-trump-dot-administration-fact-check/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f

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2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Asked if ECP brakes would have made a difference in East Palestine, Ditmeyer said: "There would not have been that huge pile up of cars coming from the rear that piled and caused ruptures and fires. So, yes, there is a very high likelihood that there would be significantly less damage."

https://www.wtae.com/article/east-palestine-derailment-electronic-brakes-dot/43013996

Ok, it could be right. But that wasn’t my point. Thanks for playing. Did you enjoy googling? 

[Strike 5,570]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Asked if ECP brakes would have made a difference in East Palestine, Ditmeyer said: "There would not have been that huge pile up of cars coming from the rear that piled and caused ruptures and fires. So, yes, there is a very high likelihood that there would be significantly less damage."

https://www.wtae.com/article/east-palestine-derailment-electronic-brakes-dot/43013996

As Jerry noted earlier, your quality as a poster is so much diminished from your heyday.  It's pretty sad.  Don't become like Tim, ignorant on every subject.  Please read the article I just linked to. 

[Strike 5,570]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok, it could be right. But that wasn’t my point. Thanks for playing. Did you enjoy googling? 

No, as usual they're both wrong. 

[RogerDodger 798]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Asked if ECP brakes would have made a difference in East Palestine, Ditmeyer said: "There would not have been that huge pile up of cars coming from the rear that piled and caused ruptures and fires. So, yes, there is a very high likelihood that there would be significantly less damage."

https://www.wtae.com/article/east-palestine-derailment-electronic-brakes-dot/43013996

Stop with the ECP brake nonsense.  There is video of the train with the broken axel sparking like the car was on fire a full 20 miles ahead of where it finally derailed.  

To the idiot's credit that you quoted he probably didn't know that at the time he said it though.  

[TimHauck 2,906]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

As Jerry noted earlier, your quality as a poster is so much diminished from your heyday.  It's pretty sad.  Don't become like Tim, ignorant on every subject.  Please read the article I just linked to. 

I shared that including links over a week ago.

On 2/14/2023 at 6:10 PM, TimHauck said:

Since most people don't want to have normal conversation, I did my own research.  Some good articles here:

https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/

https://www.levernews.com/there-will-be-more-derailments/

 

TL/DR: corporate greed is probably the biggest factor here.

Obama tried putting in a rule that required trains carrying hazardous materials to install better brakes

However, due to corporate pressure what was covered was reduced and ultimately it would have exempted trains carrying this material anyway.

Trump then repealed the whole thing, and Biden/Buttigieg apparently have no plans to reinstate it.

Meanwhile, railroads spent almost $200 billion on stock buybacks and cut 30% of their workforce.

 

Crazy fact but apparently this train was 1.8 miles long.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, as usual they're both wrong. 

Don’t expect your clear and concise fact based explanation  to have any affect.  But it’s appreciated by normal people.  

[Strike 5,570]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I shared that including links over a week ago.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

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38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s very sad that these people continue to worship Trump. Of course they have the right to do so. But he is the man most responsible for their suffering. If he hadn’t removed Obama’s train regulations this calamity likely would never have happened. 

complete BS.  complete.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

2 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Stop with the ECP brake nonsense.  There is video of the train with the broken axel sparking like the car was on fire a full 20 miles ahead of where it finally derailed.  

To the idiot's credit that you quoted he probably didn't know that at the time he said it though.  

Also, let’s be aware that someday Pete Buttegeig will be a former high ranking DOT official. Let’s just see what the investigators and subsequent lawsuits reveal. 

[BuckSwope 654]

24 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So Biden has every opportunity to overturn that. Just like he did with every other trump policy. And he didn’t.

2+2 always = orange man bad

Are you really at the point where you have to blame Biden because he didn't overturn the other guy's crappy policy?    

At that point it's OK to say both administrations f-d up on this issue and most of these things are profit over people, not R/D. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Are you really at the point where you have to blame Biden because he didn't overturn the other guy's crappy policy?    

At that point it's OK to say both administrations f-d up on this issue and most of these things are profit over people, not R/D. 

Yup. If anyone thinks the government has the power in this situation they just don’t get it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

Tim,

  I know being ignorant is your claim to fame, and I'll keep calling you out for it, but instead of just listening to soundbites you might want to do some actual, you know, research in to issues, lest I keep roasting you over and over.  On this issue, here is an excerpt from the full article that I am also linking.  I will bold the most important part.  Oh, and linking to sources that form your opinions might also help, but linking to Rachael Maddow's podcast might not so never mind that one.

 

 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/ohio-train-derailment-ecp-brake-system-mandate-trump-dot-administration-fact-check/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f

But along with the brakes, the other main issue with this crash is that these cars weren't properly identified as flammable which is the result of another admins bending to the indrustry so they can save money.    

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that these cars weren't treated as toxic/flammable, hence not having the proper safety features - all to maximize profits.  

[Strike 5,570]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

But along with the brakes, the other main issue with this crash is that these cars weren't properly identified as flammable which is the result of another admins bending to the indrustry so they can save money.    

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that these cars weren't treated as toxic/flammable, hence not having the proper safety features - all to maximize profits.  

Is it your contention that Trump dumped another Obama rule?  The only one I've heard mentioned is the brakes one.  If you've got a credible link to something else I'll research it just like I did this one.  You know, so I'm not ignorant like Tim and Gutterboy.  But not if you're just passing along farts in the wind like Tim does.

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, Strike said:

Is it your contention that Trump dumped another Obama rule?  The only one I've heard mentioned is the brakes one.  If you've got a credible link to something else I'll research it just like I did this one.  You know, so I'm not ignorant like Tim and Gutterboy.  But not if you're just passing along farts in the wind like Tim does.

I can look as well.  I honestly can't remember who did what now.   I thought one did something to the way they classify toxic/flammable and let the industry have that one, and the other let them get away with being lax on the brakes.  Then Biden did nothing about either of those and actively battled the unions who were fighting for things that included said safety measures.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

The sequence of events began a decade ago in the wake of a major uptick in derailments of trains carrying crude oil and hazardous chemicals, including a New Jersey train crash that leaked the same toxic chemical as in Ohio.

 

In response, the Obama administration in 2014 proposed improving safety regulations for trains carrying petroleum and other hazardous materials. However, after industry pressure, the final measure ended up narrowly focused on the transport of crude oil and exempting trains carrying many other combustible materials, including the chemical involved in this weekend’s disaster.

 

Then came 2017: After rail industry donors delivered more than $6 million to GOP campaigns, the Trump administration — backed by rail lobbyists and Senate Republicans — rescinded part of that rule aimed at making better braking systems widespread on the nation’s rails.

 

Specifically, regulators killed provisions requiring rail cars carrying hazardous flammable materials to be equipped with electronic braking systems to stop trains more quickly than conventional air brakes. Norfolk Southern had previously touted the new technology — known as Electronically Controlled Pneumatic (ECP) brakes — for its “potential to reduce train stopping distances by as much as 60 percent over conventional air brake systems.”

https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/

Obama went half way, and trump instead of completing the job, took the money and bent the knee to corp greed.