LA Times writer says ‘White’ drivers are ‘polluting the air’ breathed by LA’s ‘people of color’

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

When have I ever contradicted it? Those are some of my core beliefs. 

You have argued a thousand times over that unequal outcomes is absolute proof of systemic racism. 

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

You have argued a thousand times over that unequal outcomes is absolute proof of systemic racism. 

This is true.  I've seen it myself too.

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

You have argued a thousand times over that unequal outcomes is absolute proof of systemic racism. 

In the criminal justice system sure it can be. In that area, outcomes can be used to make certain assumptions, IMO. But Marxists attempt to apply this to economic outcomes which is very different. 

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But even in the criminal justice discussion, you have to be very careful about how you analyze outcomes. For instance, if more blacks in Detroit or Chicago are arrested for violent crimes, that’s not racism; it’s a reflection of population and who is committing the crime. But on the other hand, if in largely white areas black drivers are stopped by police at a much higher rate than white drivers are, that’s an outcome in which a reasonable person can assume that systemic racism is at play. See the difference? 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In the criminal justice system sure it can be. In that area, outcomes can be used to make certain assumptions, IMO. But Marxists attempt to apply this to economic outcomes which is very different. 

So then it must also be true that the justice system is Misandric?

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Just now, RLLD said:

So then it must also be true that the justice system is Misandric?

I had to look that up. I thought it was the “night of terrors” witch from Game of Thrones. 
 

Please refer to my last post about being careful with how you read outcomes. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I had to look that up. I thought it was the “night of terrors” witch from Game of Thrones. 
 

Please refer to my last post about being careful with how you read outcomes. 

I need not read your post, I am keenly aware of the ease with which people malign stats to serve their political bias.

Put simply, if your logic to support racism is based on statistical factors, you should understand that such nonsense is easily refuted with those same stats, by various means.

 

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I need not read your post, I am keenly aware of the ease with which people malign stats to serve their political bias.

Put simply, if your logic to support racism is based on statistical factors, you should understand that such nonsense is easily refuted with those same stats, by various means.

 

Yes sometimes. Again it depends on the outcome being considered, and the statistics being reported. 

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For example, the book The New Jim Crow is filled with statistics about systemic racism in our justice system that aren’t easily refuted and can’t be dismissed as nonsense. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trauma? I enjoyed reading the article. It’s absurd. 
 

Also- I don’t live or work in the city of Angels. 

Right, you live in white Huntington Beach.  You never have to go where the blacks are.

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India and China have the most pollution. Kenya is up there too. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

For example, the book The New Jim Crow is filled with statistics about systemic racism in our justice system that aren’t easily refuted and can’t be dismissed as nonsense. 

Example? 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes sometimes. Again it depends on the outcome being considered, and the statistics being reported. 

Absolutely.  Incarceration rates are based on a multitude of factors, and racism is perhaps part of it, but it is not the driving factor.  My main issue, aside from the incessant whining, is that the move to implicate the system never fixes the actual problem.

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44 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Example? 

I highly recommend you read the book. 

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Libya has slavery. Right now. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I highly recommend you read the book. 

So you got nothin. No surprise. My lived experience is worth 100 of those type books. Sorry you don’t have much.  

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But even in the criminal justice discussion, you have to be very careful about how you analyze outcomes. For instance, if more blacks in Detroit or Chicago are arrested for violent crimes, that’s not racism; it’s a reflection of population and who is committing the crime. But on the other hand, if in largely white areas black drivers are stopped by police at a much higher rate than white drivers are, that’s an outcome in which a reasonable person can assume that systemic racism is at play. See the difference? 

Do you think the reason blacks crime numbers are so high is due to them being targeted by police?

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5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But even in the criminal justice discussion, you have to be very careful about how you analyze outcomes. For instance, if more blacks in Detroit or Chicago are arrested for violent crimes, that’s not racism; it’s a reflection of population and who is committing the crime. But on the other hand, if in largely white areas black drivers are stopped by police at a much higher rate than white drivers are, that’s an outcome in which a reasonable person can assume that systemic racism is at play. See the difference? 

Maybe.  But even then you would want to ask more questions and pick around differences of skin color and culture.   What I mean is that our town of 5000 had about 1 black family.  I have no idea their encounters with police, but the kids who got pulled over the most in HS had the tinted windows, loud speakers, certain makes of cars - you know where I am going.   Surprise, surprise - they were also generally the knuckleheads who had weed on them, were speeding, or just dicking around and starting sh1t.   

I guess what I am saying is I'd have questions starting with if their car was bland Ford or something that looked like it was from Fast and Furious.  

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4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Maybe.  But even then you would want to ask more questions and pick around differences of skin color and culture.   What I mean is that our town of 5000 had about 1 black family.  I have no idea their encounters with police, but the kids who got pulled over the most in HS had the tinted windows, loud speakers, certain makes of cars - you know where I am going.   Surprise, surprise - they were also generally the knuckleheads who had weed on them, were speeding, or just dicking around and starting sh1t.   

I guess what I am saying is I'd have questions starting with if their car was bland Ford or something that looked like it was from Fast and Furious.  

From what I’ve read in the books and studies that some people around here mock, it doesn’t make much difference what they’re driving. 
 

Mike Tomlin lives in a nice suburban area near Pittsburgh. His son drives a nice car and per Tomlin has been stopped several times and harassed by police. 

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2 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

Do you think the reason blacks crime numbers are so high is due to them being targeted by police?

No. 

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3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you got nothin. No surprise. My lived experience is worth 100 of those type books. Sorry you don’t have much.  

It’s a good read. It masterfully highlights the utter brutality the left has inflicted on the black community. Specifically, our current President and the main architect of the 94 crime bill.

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39 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

So they are inherently violent you are saying?

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26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

From what I’ve read in the books and studies that some people around here mock, it doesn’t make much difference what they’re driving. 
 

Mike Tomlin lives in a nice suburban area near Pittsburgh. His son drives a nice car and per Tomlin has been stopped several times and harassed by police. 

I got 11 speeding tickets between the ages of 18-21.  And stopped more than that. You know why? I was speeding. 

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8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Says most people. Diversity is a strength of American society. 

Assimilation is a greater strength of American society. 

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8 hours ago, BLS said:

I'm thinking Dilbert was right.

Oh he was. 

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4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Assimilation is a greater strength of American society. 

The diverse aren't assimilating, they want to take over. 

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2 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

The diverse aren't assimilating, they want to take over. 

Those who refuse to assimilate should be removed from American society. 

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45 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I got 11 speeding tickets between the ages of 18-21.  And stopped more than that. You know why? I was speeding. 

Similar.  In fact I have a fond memory of one of my traffic school classes - the instructor was a Tempe cop who wrote "John LongItalianLastName" on the board, then said "I've got about 45 minutes of stuff I legally need to tell you, but I need to keep you 5 hours, we can either have fun or you guys can be asses."  It was actually a lot of fun.  We learned that some mousy little teen girl was there for doing 100+ on a bridge between Tempe and Scottsdale; all of us including the cop were  

Anyway, he had a Q&A to kill time and somebody asked why cops target sports cars.  His response:  "we don't target them, it's how you drive.  I have two cars, a beige station wagon and a new fast red truck.  When I'm in the station wagon, I drive 'beige,' just sitting behind traffic.  When I'm in my truck I drive 'red,' pulling out to the empty lane to gun it past everyone." 

 

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1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Those who refuse to assimilate should be removed from American society. 

Correct. But they are now getting elected and making policy. Recipe for disaster. 

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1 minute ago, shorepatrol said:

Correct. But they are now getting elected and making policy. Recipe for disaster. 

Yup

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11 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Those who refuse to assimilate should be removed from American society. 

GTFO out of here with this Borg/Communist crap. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

GTFO out of here with this Borg/Communist crap. 

No. Stop hiring illegals and driving down American wages.

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

GTFO out of here with this Borg/Communist crap. 

It's what it is. 

you have to remember with all of your "diversity is our strength" crap that the "diverse" portion of that statement DO NOT want to assimilate. They want to take control to get the money and the power.  You watch how much they would be for "diversity" once they get the reigns.   Once they do, this fallacy of "diversity is our strength" will fall and useful idiots like you guys will be the first to be sacrificed because, frankly, you're no longer useful. 

Take a look at South Africa if you want to see where this is going.                                        

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Apparently Tim contributes to this problem more than anyone else.  Spends time driving all over the LA area if you believe what he says in another thread.  

 

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On 3/10/2023 at 12:30 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Yes sometimes. Again it depends on the outcome being considered, and the statistics being reported. 

This isn’t really true and doesn’t reflect what social justice advos are claiming about the system.  When analyzing system-generated outcomes, the most important question in judging the system is if the intended outcome aligns with the actual outcome.  This is the basis of any QA analysis.  SJW implicitly claim that higher arrest rates for blacks is ipso facto evidence that the intended outcome of policing is high arrest rates for blacks.

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So strange that TimHauk never came in here to express his outrage that whites were disparaged and that the LA Times published it.