I really wouldn’t mind it if DeSantis is our next President

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

I don’t like Ron DeSantis. I don’t approve of his policies. He’s far too right wing for me, and I think his whole anti-woke thing is BS. It’s not like I’m ever gonna vote for him. 
 

But he’s a normal guy. He’s not batsh!t crazy, doesn’t have the narcissism of you know who, or the stench of corruption. From what I can see he’s a competent executive. And I believe, from some experts I’ve read from his book, that he is a patriotic American who truly wants what’s best for this country, even if I don’t see eye to eye with him on what that is. 
 

Finally, if he’s elected President that means that Donald Trump is, at long last, finished with American politics. 
 

So yeah, if this happens I really won’t mind at all. I’m good with it. 

[Strike 5,259]

As was the norm at FBG's, you couldn't just add your opinion to an existing thread such as the, Oh, I don't know.......The Desantis 2024 thread.......You had to start your own thread to make it all about you. 

 

[Voltaire 5,205]

Interesting take. Noted.

[jonmx 2,424]

36 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Interesting take. Noted.

But once Trump is out of the picture, DeSantis will become the devil. 

[Horseman 2,383]

Is there any more of a retarded poster here than Tim?

[Voltaire 5,205]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Is there any more of a retarded poster here than Tim?

I don't know what you're getting at. This is as remarkably fair an assessment of Ron DeSantis as you are going to get from a notoriously  left wing poster.

Also, to answer your question, I haven't seen Ravens Fan around lately but that doesn't mean he has left for good.

[jonmx 2,424]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I don't know what you're getting at. This is as remarkably fair an assessment of Ron DeSantis as you are going to get from a notoriously  left wing poster.

Also, to answer your question, I haven't seen Ravens Fan around lately but that doesn't mean he has left for good.

Tim flips more often than a pancake chef at iHOP.   Tim occasionally thinks for himself, but then he reads one article in the New York Times and he forgets everything he just said 5 minutes ago.  

[Voltaire 5,205]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Tim flips more often than a pancake chef at iHOP.   Tim occasionally thinks for himself, but then he reads one article in the New York Times and he forgets everything he just said 5 minutes ago.  

What I've noticed with Tim is that while, he'll take consistent left wing stances, he's willing to cut bait and disassociate when things get too kooky for him. He's also capable of posting this, which ... seems to me like an olive branch.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,878]

Just now, Voltaire said:

What I've noticed with Tim is that while, he'll take consistent left wing stances, he's willing to cut bait and disassociate when things get too kooky for him. He's also capable of posting this, which ... seems to me like an olive branch.

Yep.  Tim, as much as he can be frustrating sometimes, can and will concede issues and be logical on some positions.  I'll take it. 

[Strike 5,259]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

What I've noticed with Tim is that while, he'll take consistent left wing stances, he's willing to cut bait and disassociate when things get too kooky for him. He's also capable of posting this, which ... seems to me like an olive branch.

Jon is right.  Tim is just like Peenie.  He'll post something that sounds reasonable and coherent and you go "oh maybe he isn't a focking idiot", and then the next day post something completely opposite.  You can keep getting fooled.   You'll learn eventually.

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Jon is right.  Tim is just like Peenie.  He'll post something that sounds reasonable and coherent and you go "oh maybe he isn't a focking idiot", and then the next day post something completely opposite.  You can keep getting fooled.   You'll learn eventually.

Strike is right of course. I am a focking idiot. Strike knows when one of his kind shows up! 

[seafoam1 2,817]

Peenie is a great comp to TimCrotch.

[squistion 1,971]

19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t like Ron DeSantis. I don’t approve of his policies. He’s far too right wing for me, and I think his whole anti-woke thing is BS. It’s not like I’m ever gonna vote for him. 
 

But he’s a normal guy. He’s not batsh!t crazy, doesn’t have the narcissism of you know who, or the stench of corruption. From what I can see he’s a competent executive. And I believe, from some experts I’ve read from his book, that he is a patriotic American who truly wants what’s best for this country, even if I don’t see eye to eye with him on what that is. 
 

Finally, if he’s elected President that means that Donald Trump is, at long last, finished with American politics. 
 

So yeah, if this happens I really won’t mind at all. I’m good with it. 

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

- Jerry Garcia 

[Voltaire 5,205]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

- Jerry Garcia 

Was that before or after the Nader idiots in Florida gave us George W. Bush?

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

- Jerry Garcia 

I agree with Jerry;  I usually do. But the thing is I don’t regard Ron DeSantis as evil. (I don’t really regard Trump as evil either, but I believe his re-election would lead to an evil outcome.) 

I hate to do a “both sides” thing, but both sides need to stop calling the other side evil. Let’s reserve that term for truly bad people like murderers and rapists and the like. American politicians don’t generally fall into the evil category. 

[MDC 7,163]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Was that before or after the Nader idiots in Florida gave us George W. Bush?

“… only about 24,000 registered Democrats voted for Nader in Florida, whereas about 308,000 Democrats voted for (wait for it…) Bush!”

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Tim is the type of person that would say Bush43 is the worst president ever and then Trump is the worst president ever.  If Desantis won, give Tim a few months and he will say Desantis is the worst president ever.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

8 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Tim is the type of person that would say Bush43 is the worst president ever and then Trump is the worst president ever.  If Desantis won, give Tim a few months and he will say Desantis is the worst president ever.

You're the type who guarantees things that don't happen, brags about his Trivial Pursuit prowess and ancient predictions that allegedly did happen, continues to guarantee things that won't happen and then childishly lashes out when he's mocked for the predictions and guarantees that don't come happen.

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

12 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Tim is the type of person that would say Bush43 is the worst president ever and then Trump is the worst president ever.  If Desantis won, give Tim a few months and he will say Desantis is the worst president ever.

Well I guess you’re right except that I didn’t say that about either guy. James Buchanan was our worst President, followed closely by Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, and Woodrow Wilson. None of our modern Presidents, not even Jimmy Carter, are comparable. 

[Voltaire 5,205]

24 minutes ago, MDC said:

“… only about 24,000 registered Democrats voted for Nader in Florida, whereas about 308,000 Democrats voted for (wait for it…) Bush!”

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ps-political-science-and-politics/article/why-just-two-parties-a-voting-game-to-illustrate-duvergers-law/31740530FD6AE83819083E3AF956BFFC

TL/DR - I don't blame you.

The Cliff's Notes version of Duverger's Law is that with the way the US government is structured, in a series of winner-take-all elections, elections gravitate to a two party system and that 3rd parties are irrelevant except as spoilers for the major party most closely in alignment with them.

[squistion 1,971]

54 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with Jerry;  I usually do. But the thing is I don’t regard Ron DeSantis as evil. (I don’t really regard Trump as evil either, but I believe his re-election would lead to an evil outcome.) 

I hate to do a “both sides” thing, but both sides need to stop calling the other side evil. Let’s reserve that term for truly bad people like murderers and rapists and the like. American politicians don’t generally fall into the evil category. 

I think Jerry Garcia was speaking figuratively, as when most people use that expression, they are not referring to something that is literally evil or two things that are actually evil.

And Trump has done many things in his life that one could characterize as an evil act or acts (almost too numerous to list but you can start with his role/incitement in the Jan 6 insurrection).

And DeSantis policies in Florida have been horrible regarding women (stricter abortion ban, etc.) racial minorities (state program transporting migrants to places like Martha's Vineyard) and LGBT+ folks. 

To say that you really wouldn't mind DeSantis as president, I find appalling. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,878]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

I think Jerry Garcia was speaking figuratively, as when most people use that expression, they are not referring to something that is literally evil or two things that are actually evil.

And Trump has done many things in his life that one could characterize as an evil act or acts (almost too numerous to list but you can start with his role/incitement in the Jan 6 insurrection).

And DeSantis policies in Florida have been horrible regarding women (stricter abortion ban, etc.) racial minorities (state program transporting migrants to places like Martha's Vineyard) and LGBT+ folks. 

To say that you really wouldn't mind DeSantis as president, I find appalling. 

look at this drama queen amping it up to 11. 

Yeah, none of that is true but you do you and keep pushing the talking points you're fed at the DNC Glory Hole. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

I would mind DeSantis or anyone from the far right being president. 

We need someone in this category:

https://moderaterepublican.org/who-we-are

Quote

Moderate Republicans are right-of-center voters in the political spectrum. They are generally considered progressive on the social issues, conservative on the fiscal issues, and typically prioritize fiscal demands over social agenda. Moderate Republicans proudly embrace the tradition of an inclusive party, but seek to reinstate mainstream Republican viewpoints within the elective body and party leadership.
 

FISCAL ISSUES:

Moderate Republicans believe "the government that governs best... governs least." [Thomas Jefferson]. They consider the federal debt (approximately $20 trillion) dangerously high and evidence of the incompetency in Washington. They want reform and officials who can get it done.

Moderate Republicans believe that new methods of generating efficiency and cost control are needed in reforming all government agencies.

They believe that the principles of capitalism and freedom of enterprise have produced the strongest and most innovative economy in the world. They disapprove of a system that increasingly taxes work to subsidize non-work. For Moderate Republicans, this issue is exclusively a matter of how best to make America the most vibrant, productive, and competitive country in the world, now and for the future.
 

SOCIAL ISSUES:

Moderate Republicans prioritize fiscal demands over social issues. They want responsible spending and a vibrant economy first. They believe those priorities are more consistent with the proper role of government. They despise petty politics, shallow campaign techniques, and the manner in which the social issues have come to impede productive governance.

Moderate Republicans are sometimes called 'Moder(n)ate Republicans.' They often support gay rights, a woman's right to choose, climate change initiatives, and abolition of the death penalty. They reject the intolerance of the far-right and lament the interference that focus on social issues has played in advancing fiscal priorities. They do not want divine creation taught in schools, or to change the national anthem because it does not specifically mention the word God. They are generally strong advocates of the right-to-privacy and skeptical of government abuse. They stand firm on these principles and are not afraid to voice them. These voices are the future of the Republican Party.
 

CHARACTER:

Moderate Republicans are very patriotic and embrace the ideals of personal responsibility and individualism on which our country was built. They are optimistic about the future and determined to preserve the role of the United States as leader in the promotion of free and democratic societies.

 

 

[seafoam1 2,817]

15 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I would mind DeSantis or anyone from the far right being president. 

We need someone in this category:

https://moderaterepublican.org/who-we-are

 

Sure. Go vote for the war mongering Biden again libby. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Sure. Go vote for the war mongering Biden again libby. 

I certainly will if DeSantis, Trump or some other far-right MAGA is on the ticket.

[seafoam1 2,817]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

I certainly will if DeSantis, Trump or some other far-right MAGA is on the ticket.

...or anyone else not ready to fund foreign nations in war or committed to massive spending and open borders and crying racism every minute of the day.

Just give it up. You are a full on liberal doosh who hates America and wants his "leaders" to tell him what to do and how to act. 

Go war!!

[MDC 7,163]

29 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ps-political-science-and-politics/article/why-just-two-parties-a-voting-game-to-illustrate-duvergers-law/31740530FD6AE83819083E3AF956BFFC

TL/DR - I don't blame you.

The Cliff's Notes version of Duverger's Law is that with the way the US government is structured, in a series of winner-take-all elections, elections gravitate to a two party system and that 3rd parties are irrelevant except as spoilers for the major party most closely in alignment with them.

The short version of the article I posted:

1. Very few registered Dems in FL voted for Nader. Most of his voters were independent.

2. Many more registered Dems in FL voted for Bush vs. registered Dems who voted for Nader.

3. The idea that Nader voters cost Gore the election is based on the assumption that 3rd party voters “owe” their vote to the major party that most closely aligns with their side of the political spectrum.

I think #3 is largely the reason the major parties have become more similar and nominated increasingly terrible candidates over time.

[seafoam1 2,817]

There are actually idiots who voted for Fetterman. Nothing else is a surprise. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

10 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

...or anyone else not ready to fund foreign nations in war or committed to massive spending and open borders and crying racism every minute of the day.

Just give it up. You are a full on liberal doosh who hates America and wants his "leaders" to tell him what to do and how to act. 

Go war!!

https://postimg.cc/N24cKZ8B

[squistion 1,971]

36 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

look at this drama queen amping it up to 11. 

Yeah, none of that is true but you do you and keep pushing the talking points you're fed at the DNC Glory Hole. 

Actually, everything I said about DeSantis is true. 

[jerryskids 6,592]

I'm shocked that our resident moderate conservative @Pimpadeauxis setting up 6 years of biotching about Desantis.   

 

 

[iam90sbaby 2,503]

DeSantis is better suited as a governor.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm shocked that our resident moderate conservative @Pimpadeauxis setting up 6 years of biotching about Desantis.   

 

 

With any luck, if he does win, he'd move closer to the middle, like myriad presidents have in the past. The Republican primaries are going to be entertaining.

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm shocked that our resident moderate conservative @Pimpadeauxis setting up 6 years of biotching about Desantis.   

 

 

Oh make no mistake if he’s elected I’m going to b!tch about him too. Im going to complain and be angry and argue against most of what he does. 
 

But it will be the NORMAL complaints of a liberal who is reasonably concerned about the country moving in a conservative direction. It won’t be the high level concern that we have an irrational man in charge who is taking this country over a cliff. And that’s the difference. 

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

I think Jerry Garcia was speaking figuratively, as when most people use that expression, they are not referring to something that is literally evil or two things that are actually evil.

And Trump has done many things in his life that one could characterize as an evil act or acts (almost too numerous to list but you can start with his role/incitement in the Jan 6 insurrection).

And DeSantis policies in Florida have been horrible regarding women (stricter abortion ban, etc.) racial minorities (state program transporting migrants to places like Martha's Vineyard) and LGBT+ folks. 

To say that you really wouldn't mind DeSantis as president, I find appalling. 

From the time that Trump came down the escalator, his supporters, and conservatives in general, have tried to insist that he’s normal, and that criticism of him is the typical partisan attacks that are made against every conservative. When you treat DeSantis as equally bad as Trump you play into that narrative. I strongly believe it’s a false narrative. 

[posty 2,614]

23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But he’s a normal guy. He’s not batsh!t crazy, doesn’t have the narcissism of you know who, or the stench of corruption.

Obama and Biden were the worst for sure…

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

5 minutes ago, posty said:

Obama and Biden were the worst for sure…

I have many disagreements with both gentlemen but overall I’m pretty pleased with their time in office. If it’s Biden Vs DeSantis I will happily vote for Biden with no regrets. But I won’t mind the results either way. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,983]

4 hours ago, squistion said:

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

- Jerry Garcia 

So what do you do if faced with that choice? 

[The Real timschochet 6,509]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So what do you do if faced with that choice? 

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?

[Reality 3,116]

Makes sense, right now, he's by far the best option.