Study finds nearly 45% of trans-women inmates convicted of sex crimes

[jerryskids 6,547]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

70% of trans crime inmates were abused as children and have experienced gender dysphoria? 

The first part is in the article you didn't read, for the participants under study.

Care to explain how you can be trans but not have gender dysphoria? You've said this below i think

[jerryskids 6,547]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Sure, it’s “interesting,” but there’s no context.  What % of male or female sex offenders were abused as children?  I bet that number is pretty high too.  Like @MDC said, it’s possible total incarceration rates for trans folks are lower than the general population, in which case it may not be all that surprising that a higher % of the ones that are in there are in for sex crimes.  

I don't see how you draw your final hypothesis, but in general, this is a fair post.  Like I said, interesting. Not conclusive.

[squistion 1,942]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

The first part is in the article you didn't read, for the participants under study.

Care to explain how you can be trans but not have gender dysphoria? You've said this below i think

Not all trans have had gender dysphoria and it is well documented.

[jerryskids 6,547]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Not all trans have had gender dysphoria and it is well documented.

That's not a very good explanation.

[jerryskids 6,547]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Not all trans have had gender dysphoria and it is well documented.

Nevermind, I looked it up.  People with gender dysphoria are rare and the true trans people.  People who don't have it but identify as trans are fake.

[TimHauck 2,598]

11 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I don't see how you draw your final hypothesis, but in general, this is a fair post.  Like I said, interesting. Not conclusive.

I don’t know the specific stats, but hypothetically, if they are less likely to commit other crimes, but even just as likely to commit sex crimes as the general population, then that would mean the % in prison for sex crimes would be higher.

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

There's no such thing as a trans-woman. Made up lefty bullsh!t. Stop validating it.

[Reality 3,092]

Not surprising.

[jerryskids 6,547]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know the specific stats, but hypothetically, if they are less likely to commit other crimes, but even just as likely to commit sex crimes as the general population, then that would mean the % in prison for sex crimes would be higher.

Gotcha.   

[Rosie O'Donnell 20]

Prolly close to 100%

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, Rosie O'Donnell said:

Prolly close to 100%

It is 

[RLLD 4,143]

These people need counseling, not placating. 

[TimHauck 2,598]

Not saying it makes it OK, but one thing that could be skewing the numbers a bit is the fact that most sex abusers are puzzies, so they’re likely afraid of getting raped/killed themselves if they go to a men’s prison.  So while people aren’t going to pretend to be a woman just to play sports, they might pretend to be a woman to not become someone’s in prison.

Here is a possible example that just came up on my feed (and note this only says he “might” be sent to a women’s prison, not that it’s actually going to happen

 

 

 

[Strike 5,182]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Not saying it makes it OK, but one thing that could be skewing the numbers a bit is the fact that most sex abusers are puzzies, so they’re likely afraid of getting raped/killed themselves if they go to a men’s prison.  So while people aren’t going to pretend to be a woman just to play sports, they might pretend to be a woman to not become someone’s in prison.

Here is a possible example that just came up on my feed (and note this only says he “might” be sent to a women’s prison, not that it’s actually going to happen

 

 

 

No one is coming down on the perps.  It's allowing them to have the option we disagree with.

[squistion 1,942]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Not saying it makes it OK, but one thing that could be skewing the numbers a bit is the fact that most sex abusers are puzzies, so they’re likely afraid of getting raped/killed themselves if they go to a men’s prison.  So while people aren’t going to pretend to be a woman just to play sports, they might pretend to be a woman to not become someone’s in prison.

Here is a possible example that just came up on my feed (and note this only says he “might” be sent to a women’s prison, not that it’s actually going to happen

 

 

Well, of course they will say that he "may be" moved to a women's prison based on changing his pronouns, but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Trans are mentally ill. Makes sense they commit a lot of crimes. Get away with it a lot too. 

[jerryskids 6,547]

16 minutes ago, squistion said:

Well, of course they will say that he "may be" moved to a women's prison based on changing his pronouns, but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none.

What leads you to believe the bolded?

[squistion 1,942]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trans are mentally ill. Makes sense they commit a lot of crimes. Get away with it a lot too. 

Not according to most mental health professionals, psychiatrists and psychologists. 

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill - Vox

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill

Major medical organizations, like the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association, say being transgender is not a mental disorder.

The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term “gender identity disorder” in favor of “gender dysphoria”: “Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing ‘disorder’ with ‘dysphoria’ in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is ‘disordered.’”

Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

But the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.

And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.

These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).

[squistion 1,942]

Just now, jerryskids said:

What leads you to believe the bolded?

That is not how it works. You don't just suddenly change your pronouns and then automatically get transferred to a women's prison. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

48 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not according to most mental health professionals, psychiatrists and psychologists. 

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill - Vox

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill

Major medical organizations, like the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association, say being transgender is not a mental disorder.

The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term “gender identity disorder” in favor of “gender dysphoria”: “Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing ‘disorder’ with ‘dysphoria’ in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is ‘disordered.’”

Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

But the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.

And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.

These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).

Well, there are others that say they are. Looks like you have to make your own determination. Are you capable of that? Doesn’t appear so. 

[squistion 1,942]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, there are others that say they are. Looks like you have to make your own determination. Are you capable of that? Doesn’t appear so. 

My determination matches that of a majority of mental professionals. 

[easilyscan 855]

On 4/7/2023 at 9:52 PM, jerryskids said:

 

I understand that to folks like you two, you don't want to discuss data which points to uncomfortable realities, so you need to try to change the subject.   

In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

19 minutes ago, squistion said:

My determination matches that of a majority of mental professionals. 

How come so may European countries are pulling back on sex change operations for minors? 

[squistion 1,942]

On 4/8/2023 at 3:28 PM, seafoam1 said:

Sure they do. And I bet they vote liberal too.

Psychologists are wrong on things like this more than they are right.  Trannies and the whole of the lgbtq is wrong for society. They should be removed. 

Removed?   

How? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

8 minutes ago, squistion said:

Removed?   

How? 

Electro Shock Therapy was one thought to be ok by the majority of psychology professionals. How did that  work out? 

[Horseman 2,353]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

My determination matches that of a majority of mental professionals. 

You wouldnt know a mental professional if they bent over and bit you in your vagina.  

[League Champion 1,896]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

Removed?   

How? 

Cut their Frank & Beans off, that's what they want anyway. 

[jerryskids 6,547]

4 hours ago, squistion said:

Not according to most mental health professionals, psychiatrists and psychologists. 

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill - Vox

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill

Major medical organizations, like the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association, say being transgender is not a mental disorder.

The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term “gender identity disorder” in favor of “gender dysphoria”: “Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing ‘disorder’ with ‘dysphoria’ in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is ‘disordered.’”

Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

But the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.

And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.

These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).

You've posted such drivel quite recently; I pointed out (with links) that groups like the APA are political/lobbying organizations.  We've also discussed that people without gender dysphoria are not trans, they are fake trans.  Well, by discuss, I discussed it and you ran away.  I'll try again:  people without gender dysphoria who act like another gender are playing dress-up, or have autogynephilia (sexual arousal in men produced by the thought or image of themselves as women), or like the power of making people change to their whims, or want to prey on women, or are gay, and they likely have some combination of various social issues (anxiety, autism, etc.).  What they are NOT is transgender.  If you call them transgender, then you literally just refuted your response to me, because your position is that they CAN just change their pronouns.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You've posted such drivel quite recently; I pointed out (with links) that groups like the APA are political/lobbying organizations.  We've also discussed that people without gender dysphoria are not trans, they are fake trans.  Well, by discuss, I discussed it and you ran away.  I'll try again:  people without gender dysphoria who act like another gender are playing dress-up, or have autogynephilia (sexual arousal in men produced by the thought or image of themselves as women), or like the power of making people change to their whims, or want to prey on women, or are gay, and they likely have some combination of various social issues (anxiety, autism, etc.).  What they are NOT is transgender.  If you call them transgender, then you literally just refuted your response to me, because your position is that they CAN just change their pronouns.   

Yep!   But Squiz eats the propaganda up like a zealot at the the DNC Glory Hole - it's what liberals crave.  Kind of like Brawndo, but delicious slurpy propaganda instead.

He was spouting the same propaganda he was in the other forum - linking to the same tweets and sites that only push The Message™.  Of course, everyone knows it's bunk but IT'S REAL TO HIM, DAMMIT!

[squistion 1,942]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You've posted such drivel quite recently; I pointed out (with links) that groups like the APA are political/lobbying organizations.  We've also discussed that people without gender dysphoria are not trans, they are fake trans.  Well, by discuss, I discussed it and you ran away.  I'll try again:  people without gender dysphoria who act like another gender are playing dress-up, or have autogynephilia (sexual arousal in men produced by the thought or image of themselves as women), or like the power of making people change to their whims, or want to prey on women, or are gay, and they likely have some combination of various social issues (anxiety, autism, etc.).  What they are NOT is transgender.  If you call them transgender, then you literally just refuted your response to me, because your position is that they CAN just change their pronouns.   

Which is absurd. If they don't have dysphoria then they are fake trans? 

[Voltaire 5,181]

15 hours ago, squistion said:

That is not how it works. You don't just suddenly change your pronouns and then automatically get transferred to a women's prison. 

That's how it works with every single trans person, 100% of them, who worm their way not just into women's prison, but also sports and bathrooms.

 

[RLLD 4,143]

8 hours ago, squistion said:

Which is absurd. If they don't have dysphoria then they are fake trans? 

Technically correct. Not much different than the insanity plea in court.

As a society people are incentivized to declare themselves trans, so of course more will.  Without the accompanying mental disorder, its just all a big game of pretend. 

[Voltaire 5,181]

9 hours ago, squistion said:

Which is absurd. If they don't have dysphoria then they are fake trans? 

You made the claim "Not all trans have had gender dysphoria and it is well documented." 

When Jerry asked/invited you to clarify a handful of times, in each instance you refused, so he took the time to look it up himself to try to figure out whatever it was that you were babbling about and figured it out.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

16 hours ago, squistion said:

That is not how it works. You don't just suddenly change your pronouns and then automatically get transferred to a women's prison. 

How does it work? 

[jerryskids 6,547]

12 hours ago, squistion said:

Which is absurd IMO.

 

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

You made the claim "Not all trans have had gender dysphoria and it is well documented." 

When Jerry asked/invited you to clarify a handful of times, in each instance you refused, so he took the time to look it up himself to try to figure out whatever it was that you were babbling about and figured it out.

Exactly.  Good memory Volty.   

So Squistion:  What makes a person trans, if not gender dysphoria?

[jerryskids 6,547]

19 hours ago, squistion said:

Not according to most mental health professionals, psychiatrists and psychologists. 

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill - Vox

Myth #8: Transgender people are mentally ill

Major medical organizations, like the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association, say being transgender is not a mental disorder.

The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term “gender identity disorder” in favor of “gender dysphoria”: “Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing ‘disorder’ with ‘dysphoria’ in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is ‘disordered.’”

Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

But the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.

And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.

These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).

I'd like to parse this Vox article further.  Most of it describes gender dysphoria, including a definition:  "a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity."  These are trans folks.  It also says these people have significant distress, the definition of a mental disorder

But no.  After all of that, out of nowhere it says: "And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others."  This is where I'm stuck.  What does this mean?  They are describing people who do not have the condition of "a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity."  So what makes them trans?  They don't have the described condition.  @squistion, this is the crux of my question that you never answer.

TIA.   

[squistion 1,942]

6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

You made the claim "Not all trans have had gender dysphoria and it is well documented." 

When Jerry asked/invited you to clarify a handful of times, in each instance you refused, so he took the time to look it up himself to try to figure out whatever it was that you were babbling about and figured it out.

I provided a link (see above).

[squistion 1,942]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Exactly.  Good memory Volty.   

So Squistion:  What makes a person trans, if not gender dysphoria?

Gender dysphoria can result from being trans, but does not make anyone trans. 

[jerryskids 6,547]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

I provided a link (see above).

Your link didn't explain what being trans means.

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Gender dysphoria can result from being trans, but does not make anyone trans. 

What does being trans mean?

[squistion 1,942]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Your link didn't explain what being trans means.

What does being trans mean?

Transgender - Wikipedia

A transgender person (often abbreviated to trans person) is someone whose gender identity or gender expression does not correspond with the sex they were assigned at birth