TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted April 18, 2023 So the Boston Marathon added a non-binary division to its marathon this year; thinking both biological men and women will be in this category. My question is this...given that biological men are indeed stronger and faster (this is proven in running), won't this be another category that non-binary/biological men win? Since the field might be smaller, why not enter this instead of the regular men's category? I also just read that they used women's qualifying times and there is no prize money. Why not enter as a female and get the money? I was thinking about this and the recent Riley Gaines issues with Lia Thomas. If Lia Thomas were to enter the non-binary section, wouldn't they win anyways because they are biologically male? Just seems like another division for "men" to win, IMO. I am also curious about the requirements; have to be on testosterone blockers for X number of years? Or just yesterday decided I was a female? I guess in the long run, this still helps the fact that men can't participate in women's sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: So the Boston Marathon added a non-binary division to its marathon this year; thinking both biological men and women will be in this category. My question is this...given that biological men are indeed stronger and faster (this is proven in running), won't this be another category that non-binary/biological men win? Since the field might be smaller, why not enter this instead of the regular men's category? I was thinking about this and the recent Riley Gaines issues with Lia Thomas. If Lia Thomas were to enter the non-binary section, wouldn't they win anyways because they are biologically male? Just seems like another division for "men" to win, IMO. I am also curious about the requirements; have to be on testosterone blockers for X number of years? Or just yesterday decided I was a female? I guess in the long run, this still helps the fact that men can't participate in women's sports. This is the main takeaway. But not sure it's as cut and dried as you think regarding trans women/men. The trans men presumably will be taking some types of supplements to more closely approximate the male levels of testosterone/etc....While trans women will be taking blockers. So, hopefully those help equal the playing field on some level. Obviously, not a perfect solution but there's only so much we can do. I'd be ok with trans men and trans women athletic events. It's the trans people that are so opposed to acknowledging that there are still differences despite their efforts to transition to the other gender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 18, 2023 I'm going to identify myself as a tomato plant, take legal action to get that division created and then go out there and win the motherfocker. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, Pimpadeaux said: I'm going to identify myself as a tomato plant, take legal action to get that division created and then go out there and win the motherfocker. Tomato plants are more intelligent. Please don't insult them in this manner. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted April 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Strike said: This is the main takeaway. But not sure it's as cut and dried as you think regarding trans women/men. The trans men presumably will be taking some types of supplements to more closely approximate the male levels of testosterone/etc....While trans women will be taking blockers. So, hopefully those help equal the playing field on some level. Obviously, not a perfect solution but there's only so much we can do. I'd be ok with trans men and trans women athletic events. It's the trans people that are so opposed to acknowledging that there are still differences despite their efforts to transition to the other gender. I am fine with the division as well. I added after you posted that this division in the marathon had no prize money. I wonder if that will eventually change as well, it would have to be the same amount that the men/women categories win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: I'm going to identify myself as a tomato plant, take legal action to get that division created and then go out there and win the motherfocker. Tomatoes are a fruit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said: I wonder if that will eventually change as well, it would have to be the same amount that the men/women categories win. what makes you say that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: what makes you say that? If you make it less, then you are insinuating that trans individuals don't deserve the same amount of prize money. If you make it more, you're making them more important. Don't they want to be seen as equal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,851 Posted April 18, 2023 Does the tranny division finish the race by running into a truck that whisks them off to the looney bin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: So the Boston Marathon added a non-binary division to its marathon this year; thinking both biological men and women will be in this category. My question is this...given that biological men are indeed stronger and faster (this is proven in running), won't this be another category that non-binary/biological men win? Since the field might be smaller, why not enter this instead of the regular men's category? Because people don't say they're trans simply to play sports, and a person that does not actually identify as trans is not going to want to enter a "non-binary" category Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,269 Posted April 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: I'm going to identify myself as a tomato plant, take legal action to get that division created and then go out there and win the motherfocker. I think a bunch of good runners would also do that, pass you by and you wouldn't be able to ketchup. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,404 Posted April 18, 2023 They should just do “other.” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, TimHauck said: Because people don't say they're trans simply to play sports I disagree. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: I disagree. Do you have examples where you think this is happening? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: If you make it less, then you are insinuating that trans individuals don't deserve the same amount of prize money. If you make it more, you're making them more important. Don't they want to be seen as equal? I can pretty much guarantee that they will not ever give the same amount of prize money to a non-binary category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Do you have examples where you think this is happening? Do you have examples that it's NOT happening? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Because people don't say they're trans simply to play sports, and a person that does not actually identify as trans is not going to want to enter a "non-binary" category 9 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Do you have examples where you think this is happening? Avi Silverberg. We've already discussed "her." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted April 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: I'm going to identify myself as a tomato plant, take legal action to get that division created and then go out there and win the motherfocker. Sorry, but you would not win. The category would be open to you Best Boy toms, but also to those fleet of foot Romas. Also, aI think there should be a salsa division that would include not only tomatoes but also onions, garlic bulbs (My identification) and multiple peppers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, Strike said: Tomato plants are more intelligent. Please don't insult them in this manner. Irregardless, I'm confident I can out-run any other tomato entries in the division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: Do you have examples that it's NOT happening? Kinda hard to prove that something is not happening. Call me crazy but I doubt someone is going to dress like a woman and get ridiculed just so they can win at a women's sport. 9 minutes ago, Strike said: Avi Silverberg. We've already discussed "her." LOL, this was done as a protest to break a record hat had previously been broken by a trans person. That's not a gotcha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,207 Posted April 18, 2023 Without really knowing this topic and all the arguments this seems on face value to be a good way to do this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, TimHauck said: Kinda hard to prove that something is not happening. Call me crazy but I doubt someone is going to dress like a woman and get ridiculed just so they can win at a women's sport. LOL, this was done as a protest to take a record back from a trans person that had previously broken it. That's not a gotcha YOU asked for examples. I PROVIDED a legit example. Now you're backtracking and moving the goalposts. Typical HackBoy. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, thegeneral said: Without really knowing this topic and all the arguments this seems on face value to be a good way to do this. It's what us "centrists" have been proposing for years but isn't acceptable to the mentally ill alphabet crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,088 Posted April 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: I'm going to identify myself as a tomato plant, take legal action to get that division created and then go out there and win the motherfocker. No need to tell us that. All of us already knew you were a vegetable anyways. But, to be fair to other vegetables, they're quite a bit smarter than you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Strike said: YOU asked for examples. I PROVIDED a legit example. Now you're backtracking and moving the goalposts. Typical HackBoy. Not a legit example. He never identified as a female outside of 1 event. Kinda like Anderson Aldrich never actually identified as nonbinary until after he committed mass murder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Not a legit example. He doesn't actually identify as a female. Kinda like Anderson Aldrich isn't actually nonbinary. This is factually inaccurate. it is required to identify as a female in Canada to compete as one. He identified as a female to enter this competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, Strike said: This is factually inaccurate. it is required to identify as a female in Canada to compete as one. He identified as a female to enter this competition. I edited before you replied. He didn't identify as female outside of that 1 event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: I edited before you replied. He didn't identify as female outside of that 1 event. So she detransitioned. Happens all the time. And this event is recent. Just because she hasn't entered another event doens't mean she doesn't identify as female any longer. Why are you being transphobic? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Strike said: So she detransitioned. Happens all the time. And this event is recent. Just because she hasn't entered another event doens't mean she doesn't identify as female any longer. Why are you being transphobic? If he enters another event as a female I'll admit I was wrong and that I am transphobic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, TimHauck said: If he enters another event as a female I'll admit I was wrong and that I am transphobic No. You're already wrong. There isn't a defined number of events a trans person has to enter to be considered trans. You asked for examples I gave you a perfectly legit one that you can't refute. You're trying but failing. It's pretty pathetic. Nothing new for you though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: No need to tell us that. All of us already knew you were a vegetable anyways. But, to be fair to other vegetables, they're quite a bit smarter than you are. I'm OK with that. I don't carrot all. Lettuce talk about something else, and perhaps we'll turnip some fresh perspectives. It's bean a long time we had a reaonable, produce-tive discussion about anything around here. Yes, I can be a laughing stalk, but I'm ready to not beet around the bush. Peas be respectful moving forward, and I'm sure we'll have an a-maize-ing conversation! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,088 Posted April 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: I'm OK with that. I don't carrot all. Lettuce talk about something else, and perhaps we'll turnip some fresh perspectives. It's bean a long time we had a reaonable, produce-tive discussion about anything around here. Yes, I can be a laughing stalk, but I'm ready to not beet around the bush. Peas be respectful moving forward, and I'm sure we'll have an a-maize-ing conversation! Okay, that was good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted April 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Kinda hard to prove that something is not happening. Call me crazy but I doubt someone is going to dress like a woman and get ridiculed just so they can win at a women's sport. They aren't being ridiculed. They are winning women's divisions. It's also kinda hard for me to prove that it's happening; I merely disagreed with your statement that it "doesn't happen." You'd be extremely hard pressed to find someone to actually ADMIT that's why they transitioned...however, I THINK it happens. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,850 Posted April 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: They aren't being ridiculed. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerDodger 798 Posted April 18, 2023 Hauck idiot'ing up another thread I see. Foking all day long with that retard. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted April 18, 2023 The Tranny Division, why not? How about a division for people who identify as a cat? Let's be all inclusive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted April 18, 2023 IT'S A MAN BABY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,191 Posted April 18, 2023 It’s just wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted April 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: I'm OK with that. I don't carrot all. Lettuce talk about something else, and perhaps we'll turnip some fresh perspectives. It's bean a long time we had a reaonable, produce-tive discussion about anything around here. Yes, I can be a laughing stalk, but I'm ready to not beet around the bush. Peas be respectful moving forward, and I'm sure we'll have an a-maize-ing conversation! Well done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,903 Posted April 18, 2023 It's my understanding mentally ill people who think they are nonbinary are different than mentally ill people who think they are the opposite sex they really are. Also this is only one part of the alphabet+ soup group. Where as the Guttder is still waiting for the mylittlepony group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites